Anna Kiesenhofer
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Cheers all!0
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No radios.curium99 said:I came here to read about the Women's Olympic Road Race but found nothing so thought I'd start one.
All the stars aligned for her. Did the Dutch team not have any radio coms to help keep track of the breakaway?
Makes for more unpredictable and better racing imo.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
exactly as pb says - agree 100%pblakeney said:
No radios.curium99 said:I came here to read about the Women's Olympic Road Race but found nothing so thought I'd start one.
All the stars aligned for her. Did the Dutch team not have any radio coms to help keep track of the breakaway?
Makes for more unpredictable and better racing imo..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I don't think anyone can argue that the absence radios affected the outcome of this race.
Do you think that removing team radios will be back on the agenda for the World Tour now?0 -
Not sure but would give cause for the teams/riders to fight doubly hard against it0
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It will rumble on until the next race with no radios is super controlled and boring then it will dip until the next race with chaos, then rumble on....curium99 said:I don't think anyone can argue that the absence radios affected the outcome of this race.
Do you think that removing team radios will be back on the agenda for the World Tour now?
We're on about lap 45 by my countWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Gives the fans cause to fight doubly hard for it.
if anything its obvious racers have lost race craft by radios being in place (which is what people said would happen when radios were first introduced).The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Obvious benefit is more work for these guys
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Nope. But you can definitely argue whether it affected the outcome in a positive or negative way.curium99 said:I don't think anyone can argue that the absence radios affected the outcome of this race.
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Riders managed for decades without radio contact. The key today was whether there was any accurate information, that doesn't require radios.
Riders also have to be aware of what's going on, surely I'm not the only one who has been in amateur races with no formal time checks and you just have to try to keep check of who has gone and try to get spectators to give updates. As someone mentioned on the spoiler thread the lack of a lead car should have been a bit of a giveaway.0 -
Didn't seem to hurt Richard Carapaz's race craft, or Anne Kiesenhofer's.MattFalle said:Gives the fans cause to fight doubly hard for it.
if anything its obvious racers have lost race craft by radios being in place (which is what people said would happen when radios were first introduced)
You could just as easily say that Dutch women's dominance has killed race craft. They just assumed they were the strongest and therefore would win.Correlation is not causation.0 -
There are a fair few pre radio stories of riders not getting information .. even for hardened pros of that era messed up or were misinformed"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1
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If the lead car is not behind you (or your group) maybe it’s time to push on a bit?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
2 out of 187 ain't bad I suppose.above_the_cows said:
Didn't seem to hurt Richard Carapaz's race craft, or Anne Kiesenhofer's.MattFalle said:Gives the fans cause to fight doubly hard for it.
if anything its obvious racers have lost race craft by radios being in place (which is what people said would happen when radios were first introduced)
You could just as easily say that Dutch women's dominance has killed race craft. They just assumed they were the strongest and therefore would win..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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But yeah, you've missed the point completely fella, so well done there..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Only one person can win the race. People actually riding the women's race have been very clear that the negative riding of the Dutch were a problem and no one else wanted to help because they are so strong. I don't know what radios would have done to change that scenario.MattFalle said:
2 out of 187 ain't bad I suppose.above_the_cows said:
Didn't seem to hurt Richard Carapaz's race craft, or Anne Kiesenhofer's.MattFalle said:Gives the fans cause to fight doubly hard for it.
if anything its obvious racers have lost race craft by radios being in place (which is what people said would happen when radios were first introduced)
You could just as easily say that Dutch women's dominance has killed race craft. They just assumed they were the strongest and therefore would win.
The men's race, had lots of racing with obvious race craft i.e. no one wanting to help WvA, people expecting Pog to close down attacks.Correlation is not causation.0 -
Don't know who this fella is. Obviously not me.MattFalle said:But yeah, you've missed the point completely fella, so well done there.
Correlation is not causation.1 -
Non gender specific 'fella' obvs 😉0
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yup - fella covers all genders in my neck of the woods fella, as if it needed to be pointed out anyway.
well done on winding the clock back 20 years though..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Do you want a cookie? MattFalle warrior for feminism.MattFalle said:yup - fella covers all genders in my neck of the woods fella, as if it needed to be pointed out anyway.
well done on winding the clock back 20 years though.Correlation is not causation.1 -
You got caught out making gendered assumptions and now you're trying to make excuses for yourself while playing the white knight.
It would be funny if it wasn't so desparatelty transparent.Correlation is not causation.1 -
Some years ago I did a short local cyclosportive in the Alps, short = 60 km/1400 hm, local = not many participants, 60 perhaps. The route was closed only for the first flattish 10 km or so, then we were on open, at first slightly hilly, roads. The last 25 km included two passes, the finish being at the top of the second, a climb of 10 km. By the time we were on the final pass, being so few, we also-rans (not the local elite) were all stretched out, mostly unable to see the rider either in front or behind.Pross said:Riders managed for decades without radio contact. The key today was whether there was any accurate information, that doesn't require radios.
Riders also have to be aware of what's going on, surely I'm not the only one who has been in amateur races with no formal time checks and you just have to try to keep check of who has gone and try to get spectators to give updates. As someone mentioned on the spoiler thread the lack of a lead car should have been a bit of a giveaway.
With about 5 km to go, a carload of 3-4 lads passed me, then slowed, and the passenger held out a piece of cardboard on which was written something like “coureur derrière à 2 min“ (rider behind at 2 mins). I felt really grateful for this info, I knew I wouldn't lose 2 mins during the last 5 km. But when I got to the finish, and spoke to other riders, it seemed they were all shown the same sign!
So be wary of spectator info.1 -
oh dear oh dear oh dear.... you obviously don't know my environment and background and have therefore made your own gendered assumptions and are now trying to make excuses without knowing the full picture.above_the_cows said:You got caught out making gendered assumptions and now you're trying to make excuses for yourself while playing the white knight.
It would be funny if it wasn't so desparatelty transparent.
oh dear oh dear oh dear .......
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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actually it wasn't me who pointed it out fella.above_the_cows said:
Do you want a cookie? MattFalle warrior for feminism.MattFalle said:yup - fella covers all genders in my neck of the woods fella, as if it needed to be pointed out anyway.
well done on winding the clock back 20 years though.
but good try anyway..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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as an aside, although I never saw myself as such I shall accept the nomenclature - thank you.above_the_cows said:
Do you want a cookie? MattFalle warrior for feminism.MattFalle said:yup - fella covers all genders in my neck of the woods fella, as if it needed to be pointed out anyway.
well done on winding the clock back 20 years though.
MF - warrior for feminism.
grazie..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It's genuinely sad how hard you are trying to be obnoxious. This is an internet forum of bike racing enthusiasts. Hardly worth that level of effort of being a "see you next tuesday". It isn't funny or cool. You just come of as unlikable.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20236
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Sometimes deliberately. See Robert Millar's 'stolen' Vuelta.mididoctors said:There are a fair few pre radio stories of riders not getting information .. even for hardened pros of that era messed up or were misinformed
It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.2 -
If they ban race radios it'll just be another thing for the doperati to get stiff about.
The genie's out of the bottle on radios, there's no going back, as much as we may want to.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
