Giro 2021:- Stage 4: Piacenza – Sestola 186 km **Spoilers**

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  • commuterlegs
    commuterlegs Posts: 271
    Looked like Moscon finished ahead of Sivakov? Guess that's all in for Bernal then.....
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    12 seconds, I think.

    So which contenders aren't contending any more?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    One or two GC men no longer GC men
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    Be interesting to see what Almeida lost.
    Was Remco with Yates?
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Bad day for Jumbo Visma's B team.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610
    Almedia 5'58" behind winner.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Was the eventual winner in the bernal group?

    Almeida only coming in now ... Oufff
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  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,858
    Almeida +4mins
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647

    Almedia 5'58" behind winner.

    Great PTP pick by me today!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262

    Be interesting to see what Almeida lost.
    Was Remco with Yates?

    Yes
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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    edited May 2021
    I'm surprised Dombro is only 29. Thought he'd been around forever.

    30th birthday tomorrow apparently
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    edited May 2021
    GC contenders now Vlasov, Evenepoel +4, Carthy +14, Bernal +15
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited May 2021
    GC Groups

    @1.37: Carthy, Bernal, Landa, Ciccone, Vlasov
    @1.48: Yates, Evenepoel, Bardet, Martin, Formolo, Bettiol, Caruso
    @2.11: Nibali, Sivakov, Buchmann, Hindley, Martinez, Soler, Bilbao, Pozzovivo
    @3.06: Bennett
    @5.58: Almeida
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227

    GC contenders now Vlasov, Evenepoel +4, Carthy +14, Bernal +15

    Landa +25, Yates +25, Pozzovivo +41, Martin +44, Sivakov +44, Nibali +51, Soler +52, Buchmann +1:05
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Good on Dombrowski! Been a long time coming...

    I was only half watching but noticed Hatch said it was "a Giro Stage that will go Down IN HISTory (sic)"....

    Did I miss something?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    ddraver said:

    Good on Dombrowski! Been a long time coming...

    I was only half watching but noticed Hatch said it was "a Giro Stage that will go Down IN HISTory (sic)"....

    Did I miss something?

    Nah. It was a fun stage - not as fun as yesterday, but definitely tough.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    edited May 2021
    Biggest named biggest loser on the day was Bauke Mollema. He lost 12 and a half minutes to Bernal's group.
    The 2 other young climbers who I thought could hang with the bunch today, but didn't: young Brit Simon Carr and last year's Giro other surprise package and dark horse, Harm Vanhoucke. Both took a 20 minute hit.
    The Viviani brothers were the last pair home.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,227
    ddraver said:

    Good on Dombrowski! Been a long time coming...

    I was only half watching but noticed Hatch said it was "a Giro Stage that will go Down IN HISTory (sic)"....

    Did I miss something?

    It will be written in cycling record books and always will be known as the 4th stage of the 2021 Giro.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    edited May 2021
    Riding in the rain/cold sometimes just sucks.

    Remco is clear leader for QS now. Think the winner can only come from the Yates time group or above (Bernal group). Even the 2:11 of the Nibali group seems too steep already.
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    m.r.m. said:

    Riding in the rain/cold sometimes just sucks.

    Remco is clear leader for QS now. Think the winner can only come from the Yates time group or above (Bernal group). Even the 2:11 of the Nibali group seems too steep already.

    Remco was always the leader.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    m.r.m. said:

    Riding in the rain/cold sometimes just sucks.

    Remco is clear leader for QS now. Think the winner can only come from the Yates time group or above (Bernal group). Even the 2:11 of the Nibali group seems too steep already.

    30 seconds will be nothing in the last week
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    That's true, Rich, but it's rare for someone's form to improve over three weeks, it's usually a case of who can delay the drop in form the longest who wins.
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    Could I just say, don't often get the chance and may not get another soon, Nicolas Edet sits in sixth.
  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 784

    Biggest named biggest loser on the day was Bauke Mollema. He lost 12 and a half minutes to Bernal's group.
    The 2 other young climbers who I thought could hang with the bunch today, but didn't: young Brit Simon Carr and last year's Giro other surprise package and dark horse, Harm Vanhoucke. Both took a 20 minute hit.
    The Viviani brothers were the last pair home.

    Carr was tipped for today by several on another forum which I frequent.

  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 784
    andyp said:

    That's true, Rich, but it's rare for someone's form to improve over three weeks, it's usually a case of who can delay the drop in form the longest who wins.

    Doesn't Landa's form normally improve over a GT? So he's usually hampered by a poor start? If so, he's got off to a good start.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    edited May 2021
    andyp said:

    That's true, Rich, but it's rare for someone's form to improve over three weeks, it's usually a case of who can delay the drop in form the longest who wins.

    Yeah right.
    It's so rare it's happened every other year since 2012.
    Just last year TGH was 3 minutes down going into the final week.
    2018 Froome was 5 minutes down starting the final week.
    2016 Nibali almost 3 minutes down
    2014 Quintana down 2-40
    2012 Hesjedal just that 30 seconds Rich mentioned.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575

    andyp said:

    That's true, Rich, but it's rare for someone's form to improve over three weeks, it's usually a case of who can delay the drop in form the longest who wins.

    Yeah right.
    It's so rare it's happened every other year since 2012.
    Just last year TGH was 3 minutes down going into the final week.
    TGH lost time on Etna because he forgot to eat. Otherwise he was with, or ahead of, the main GC contenders on every stage until he won at Piancavallo.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited May 2021
    andyp said:



    TGH lost time on Etna because he forgot to eat. Otherwise he was with, or ahead of, the main GC contenders on every stage until he won at Piancavallo.


    And maybe someone didn't eat properly today. Or just go badly in awful weather

    But if you're going to write someone off because they lost 30s on stage 4 then welcome to your first Giro
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    RichN95. said:

    andyp said:



    TGH lost time on Etna because he forgot to eat. Otherwise he was with, or ahead of, the main GC contenders on every stage until he won at Piancavallo.


    And maybe someone didn't eat properly today. Or just go badly in awful weather

    But if you're going to write someone off because they lost 30s on stage 4 then welcome to your first Giro
    Yup.

    2019: Carapaz was 1-19 down on Roglic going into stage 5.
    2017: First 4 were GC contenders going into stage 5, best after stage 21 was 6th.
    etc etc
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    I've not written anyone off who finished thirty seconds down. But Almeida and Bennett are out of the picture.