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  • andyracandyrac Posts: 935
    edited May 2021
    ddraver said:





    Interesting that the UCI have not banned the TT position - or even the hands on the top of the suspension fork position - for MTBers

    Somebody raised that point on Twitter - and weren't sure whether it was road only. And in a mini preview on Instagram, Annika Langvad mentioned the 'susi' position.....

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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,201
    Thanks for the tip about redbull.tv app. Found, after a bit of searching around, the XCO final. 👍
  • takethehighroadtakethehighroad Posts: 6,199
    Seems a bit odd that one of the biggest names in the sport will be kept out of the Olympics, if GB don't qualify? Surely there's a way of Tom P qualifying based on his individual results? Seems like the rules that threatened to keep both Schlecks out of the Worlds/Olympics (2008 I think)
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,827
    It's the same with the track isn't it? I seem to recall GB missing out or only having one rider rather than two in one of the women's events in Rio.
  • manxshredmanxshred Posts: 295
    The Olympics is based on country participation, with spaces being allocated based on country rankings. This is so a single country can't dominate the event, and smaller countries can get places. There is always an issue where some of the top ranked individuals cannot take part as their country can only take a set number of people to the event.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 26,453

    Seems a bit odd that one of the biggest names in the sport will be kept out of the Olympics, if GB don't qualify? Surely there's a way of Tom P qualifying based on his individual results? Seems like the rules that threatened to keep both Schlecks out of the Worlds/Olympics (2008 I think)


    The problem is the Olympics were supposed to be in 2020 and the qualification is largely based on that. Would Pidcock have been trying to do MTB at a 2020 Olympics?
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  • gingerroadgingerroad Posts: 8
    A few have said that Pidcock blew up a little after his massive effort to reach the front group. I thought that too, but he said in the post-race interview that he had a slow rear puncture. Stopped and put some air in it rather than change the wheel, but had to nurse it through the last couple of laps.
    Can't wait to see what he can do next week with a better grid position and a more technical course.
  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,940
    So he started with 90 odd riders ahead of him, got to the front, stopped to pump a tyre and *still* finished fifth? :hushed:
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  • richaricha Posts: 1,634
    ddraver said:

    ...a rare sprint loss for Nino....

    Could Nino have lost some of his topend? He was pipped at the end of both Friday XCC & Sundays XCO races where in previous years I would have expected him to hold out...
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  • r0bhr0bh Posts: 1,776
    They must think Pidcock has a reasonable chance of getting a qualification route to Tokyo otherwise why would he be bothering?
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 10,711
    edited May 2021
    r0bh said:

    They must think Pidcock has a reasonable chance of getting a qualification route to Tokyo otherwise why would he be bothering?

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  • r0bhr0bh Posts: 1,776
    They being GB, Pidcock and his team. He's a smart guy, I can't see him doing this without working out the pathway to Tokyo
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 26,453
    r0bh said:

    They being GB, Pidcock and his team. He's a smart guy, I can't see him doing this without working out the pathway to Tokyo


    They said on commentary that it was dependent on other nations though. We'll know in a week or so.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    I'm trying not to be cynical but given BC have ignored XC racing for many years there is a little bit of Karma to this...
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  • ProssPross Posts: 34,827
    ddraver said:

    I'm trying not to be cynical but given BC have ignored XC racing for many years there is a little bit of Karma to this...

    Not sure ignored is quite the right word. Their funding is based on results and therefore the money goes into the areas where they get results so mainly track (possibly as that has less outside factors that influence results). It's a bit of a Catch-22 really.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    I meant to say MTB...

    DH results speak for themselves
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  • andypandyp Posts: 9,155
    ddraver said:

    I'm trying not to be cynical but given BC have ignored XC racing for many years there is a little bit of Karma to this...

    They've invested a lot of time and effort in bringing on Last, Richards and Short and some of the junior men. Haven't they won XCO medals in the past three world champs? That doesn't look like ignoring it to me.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    Last and Richards have done it off their own and their trade team's backs I feel...

    Evie in particular has been a flagship rider for Trek
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  • andypandyp Posts: 9,155
    Both are still listed as being part of the GB program, almost certainly receive funding and benefit from coaching support, both fitness and handling skills, provided by BC. That will be supplementary to any trade team support, but it's still part of their overall package.

    I get your point, BC clearly spend a lot more on track racing, as there are more medals to be won, but they haven't ignored XC. It's gradually dawning on them that spending money supporting the youth ranks in off road disciplines, both MTB and CX, provides a decent conveyor belt of talented riders for other disciplines too.
  • andyracandyrac Posts: 935
    I think it's been the last 2-4 years that they've actually bothered properly supporting the off road (CX, XC ) side of the sport. However, having seen an article on Singletrack - the support for DH isn't all it could be.

    The more success at XC level would hopefully lead to a chance of hosting a CX and/or XC World Cup round.

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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    edited May 2021
    So, Tomorrow the Nove Mesto weekend starts.




    It's technical and it's wet! Judging from their Instagram posts, practice yesterday was in the bone dry and sun.





    It'll be interesting to see how Tom P fares in the XCC - He doesn't look like the MvdP sort of big power rider who is suited to this stuff but...that hasn't stopped him before. Pidcock won the U23 race here last year so I struggle to believe he is worried about any technicality. Could be a good 3 (+) way battle on Sunday. The era of Schurter dominance may be coming to an end..?

    Evie Richards outsprinted PFP to take the XCC last year but nevertheless has struggled to turn that into good performances on the Sunday. A Dry Nove Mesto course did a number on PFPs face a few years previosuly so it will be interesting to see how she goes again (didn't slow her down last year). Lecomte looks to be on another level right now though.

    Nove Mesto has begun to become the centre of the XCO world over the years. The Czech crowds always bring the best atmosphere of the year and the sport has a high regard over there. It also seems to be a hidden gem of a holiday location. Good trails, beautiful -empty - mountains and cheap beer. (Me mate Dave tells me that Czech girls are ok to look at too)








    The secret to Nové Město's popularity among the riders? Well, the track boasts a series of short, sharp climbs punctuated by fast, flowing descents. In short, those who race here find it an enjoyable ride despite the 4.2km course being relentless in its nature.
    The climbs are obviously lung-busting, but they're relatively straightforward. The downhill sections mirror the kind of fun, engaging trails that most mountain bikers savour riding with fast rocky, rooty descents. A flowy pump track section towards the end of the course offers the riders some respite before they enter the Vysočina Arena where the start/finish line is situated.
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  • andyracandyrac Posts: 935
    Last year there were 2 races in a mini World Cup season; Lecomte & PF-P winning the women's Elites. While the Elite men's were both first time winners; Andreassen & Avancini.

    Hard to look past Lecomte, even though it doesn't have the long climbs of last week; but PF-P is probably the next best; then you've got Courtney, Batten, Neff, Terpstra, Belomoina - and I've left other possible riders out.

    As for the men's; take your pick - if he's anywhere near decent form, then this course suits MvdP (were he won his first XCO win) Schurter has won many times here, Flueckinger was possibly unlucky last week, and can Koretzky back up last weeks win? Pidcock - yes he can win; won both U23 races last season - and set quick lap times.

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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 18,147
    edited May 2021
    Red Bull TV has a 26 min highlights package up

    Can really see why kids would prefer this style of racing.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    edited May 2021
    Half way

    All 3 brits in the top 10 of the XCC. PFP has slid out over a sopping went jump and crashed and has lost a bunch of time. Lecomte in front of a group of 4 looking ridiculously smooth.

    Annie Last clinging on to the front group by her fingernails, Evie and Isla further back

    Ah, PFP is Out :( lying down at the side of the track.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    edited May 2021
    Finish

    lap 4/5 Lecomte and Batten leave the elder statesmen behind by sheer force of power and downhill ability. Lecomte (off-camera) lost it on the same section as PFP but didn't hurt herself and got back up, "only" losing 5-10s or so.

    Lap 6 - Batten gave everything up the climb, Lecomte seems relatively happy to ride safe and settle for second on the grid (with other competition for french olympic places looking limited).

    Batten wins, Lecomte rolls in happy for 2nd (and the UCI World Cup Leaders jersey), almost-Viking Jenny Risveds pulls clear over the last climb to take third. Annie Last in 4th, Indergaand and Richards 5th and 6th with a photo between Frei and Courtney for the final front row place.

    Going to be seriously slippery for the boys...

    (PFP apparently all ok and keen to start on Sunday, but off to hospital for some checks)

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  • andyracandyrac Posts: 935
    Interesting changes to the XCC course; adding a few technical features, and becoming less 'gravel crit' like.

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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    edited May 2021
    Boys

    Warner has clearly been told who Tom Pidcock is :P He and MvdP both spurning the rollers. (jeez, MvdP is 26 still)

    Anton Cooper gets the hole shot from MvdP. As predicted the course has dried up and so become even slipperier. TomP happily in the middle of the bunch. Joins the big names with a small gap off the front after Lap 1
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    edited May 2021
    Rob now learning about a race called 'Gold Amstel' and powermetres- unlike him not to recognise a beer ;)

    Laps 3/4 Big names are at the front of a 30 odd strong line of riders. riding hard, but no gaps.

    Interesting tactics maybe as MvdP and Pidcock probably back themselves to get on the front row after a sprint, but the pure-XC riders...? Maybe not
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 25,186
    edited May 2021
    Mvdp attacks over the top of the climb and drags, who else, Pidcock with him. Sarrou desperately clinging on and Koretsky chases back on and the 5 get the first clear gap of the race into the penultimate lap...The roadies slow it down

    MvdP and Pidcock again enter the single first after a short attack and again MvdP shuts the speed down before the explosion. Pidcock doing all the chasing.

    Pidcock takes the alternate line on the descent and undercuts MvdP. Supersonic speed into the arena. Photo between TP, MvdP Sarrou and Koretsky.

    MvdP looking the most like someone who's won...

    Confirmed,
    MvdP
    Pidcock
    Sarrou
    Koretsky

    That was fun...
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  • dabberdabber Posts: 1,869
    I enjoyed that. I thought maybe Pidcock would hold him off but MvdP sprint was too strong. I haven't been watching these short course races much but I'm just a little surprised they aren't a bit more technical. I know TV flattens things out but....
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