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Really sweet frame to keep for years

MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
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Right,

You lot have some taste so I posted this here.

I've shifted some stock so have about £3/3.5k sitting around and quite fancy something sweet to build up with some sweeet Campagnolo 12 speed mechanical.

Needs to be fat round carbon tubing, light, stiff as, look gorgeous and not be found at the local club.

Waddya say? Sarto or similar is where I am thinking.

Preferably nothing too much off the shelf so C64 and similar isn't really the direction I'm thinking of.
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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  • gethincerigethinceri Posts: 1,378
    Was thinking C64 until i read your last para, would think Specialissima but you probably wouldn’t want one for the same reason.

    Your Sarto choice will be perfect.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 12,165
    Parlee.
  • joe_totale-2joe_totale-2 Posts: 1,333
    A couple of assumptions I'm making here:

    - You're looking at a rim brake frame
    - Sarto is probably the correct answer

    With that in mind a sweary person on Youtube is generally complementary of Look frames so a 785 Huez?

    https://www.bellatisport.com/shop/product/5711



  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 22,965
    joe_totale-2 said:

    A couple of assumptions I'm making here:

    - You're looking at a rim brake frame
    - Sarto is probably the correct answer

    With that in mind a sweary person on Youtube is generally complementary of Look frames so a 785 Huez?

    https://www.bellatisport.com/shop/product/5711



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  • veronese68veronese68 Posts: 26,323 Lives Here
    edited February 2021
    Don't carbon frames melt in the rain? Must confess if I was blowing that kind of money I'd be looking at titanium or a bespoke stainless frame.
    Just been for a walk in Richmond Park with the EPO and saw lots of people on very expensive bikes. Several 3Ts which leave me cold, as do the SWorks. Only bike I saw today that would tempt me out of that kind of cash was a Colnago
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  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Custom steel.

    But if you’re insisting on carbon, Sarto or Legend.
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  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 54,617
    I thought that when anyone mentions a frame lasting years, the answer is 'Titanium'? To avoid the aforementioned melting issues, obviously.
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  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 5,695
    Good luck in getting a Sarto frameset for 3.5k.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    thegreatdivide said:

    Good luck in getting a Sarto frameset for 3.5k.

    ways and means my man, ways and means B)
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Ben6899 said:

    Custom steel.

    But if you’re insisting on carbon, Sarto or Legend.

    Steel has never grabbed me tbh - i know they some some utterly lush bits with it but for what I'm after - ten year bike, big phat tubes, big phat deep rims, 12 speed mechnical may as well go carbon.

    unless you can tempt me differently.....
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    veronese68 said:

    Don't carbon frames melt in the rain? Must confess if I was blowing that kind of money I'd be looking at titanium or a bespoke stainless frame.
    Just been for a walk in Richmond Park with the EPO and saw lots of people on very expensive bikes. Several 3Ts which leave me cold, as do the SWorks. Only bike I saw today that would tempt me out of that kind of cash was a Colnago

    not digging Ti but i see where you are coming from.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    joe_totale-2 said:

    A couple of assumptions I'm making here:

    - You're looking at a rim brake frame
    - Sarto is probably the correct answer

    With that in mind a sweary person on Youtube is generally complementary of Look frames so a 785 Huez?

    https://www.bellatisport.com/shop/product/5711



    yes and yes and grazie!
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    First.Aspect said:

    Parlee.

    very good call - grazie - but i don't like the weird schizzle they do at the headstock - local shop does them and they always leave me a bit cold.

    but grazie mille for the suggestion.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    gethinceri said:

    Was thinking C64 until i read your last para, would think Specialissima but you probably wouldn’t want one for the same reason.

    Your Sarto choice will be perfect.

    word - grazie.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 12,165
    I always fancied a Seven carbon/Ti frame. Or one of the original Merlin Ceilos.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    was thinking Bastion for the Seven kinda thang but a tad out of price range.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 12,165
    MattFalle said:

    was thinking Bastion for the Seven kinda thang but a tad out of price range.

    Not convinced that they are really using 3d printing for any good reason, tbh.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 12,165
    I just saw that there is a brand called Holland still doing that "exogrid" thing. Again, pointless but looks nice.
  • sungodsungod Posts: 15,615
    MattFalle said:

    veronese68 said:

    Don't carbon frames melt in the rain? Must confess if I was blowing that kind of money I'd be looking at titanium or a bespoke stainless frame.
    Just been for a walk in Richmond Park with the EPO and saw lots of people on very expensive bikes. Several 3Ts which leave me cold, as do the SWorks. Only bike I saw today that would tempt me out of that kind of cash was a Colnago

    not digging Ti but i see where you are coming from.
    stainless steel, xcr tubing as it's seamless, polished shiny

    won't melt in the rain, people will ogle it, cute girls will ask if they can take a picture to annoy their boyfriends

    mine's 10+ years old now, still shiny in spite of riding it all year
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Matt, how about a TCR with Ultegra Di2?
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 22,965
    Ben6899 said:

    Matt, how about a TCR with Ultegra Di2?

    You sir, are evil. 🤣
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  • mercia_manmercia_man Posts: 1,431
    I own a Legend HT10.5 with Record 11-speed mechanical and Cycle Clinic wheels. This frame was supplied and built up by Bike Science of Bristol following a bike fit and an assessment of my fitness, flexibility, riding style and the type of riding I wanted the bike for. It’s fully custom, with geometry, carbon lay up, tube strength and weight to suit me. You can choose your colour from a big range of finishes. Mine is clear lacquered to show the raw carbon mitred wrapped tube to tube construction. The round straight tubes give a classic appearance that appeals to me, although the marketing led aero crowd would think it old fashioned I’ve never seen another Legend out on the road so the exclusivity would appeal to MF. Similar to a Sarto but a smaller more personal operation run by Marco Bertoletti who used to make the original Viner top end frames and also made race bikes for Pantani and Chiapucci. Prices from Bike Science for a carbon frame (Legend also do steel and titanium) start at 3.4K for the HT 7.5 which is a custom main frame and off the shelf rear triangle. I think a Legend is worth considering for a sweet frame that is something different. You can also pick them up direct from Marco at his little factory.
  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 5,695
    mercia_man said:

    You can also pick them up direct from Marco at his little factory.

    Idea during a global pandemic. Add on the 1700 quid for the hotel bill and it’s win all the way.
  • veronese68veronese68 Posts: 26,323 Lives Here
    Ben6899 said:

    Matt, how about a TCR with Ultegra Di2?

    And Hunt wheels of course 😅
    Legend as above sounds like a bloody good idea, trip to Italy to be fitted and/or to collect as a bonus. Sounds like a winner to me.
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  • thegreatdividethegreatdivide Posts: 5,695
    MattFalle said:

    thegreatdivide said:

    Good luck in getting a Sarto frameset for 3.5k.

    ways and means my man, ways and means B)
    Away and f*ck a wall you total fud.

  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    veronese68 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    Matt, how about a TCR with Ultegra Di2?

    And Hunt wheels of course 😅
    Legend as above sounds like a bloody good idea, trip to Italy to be fitted and/or to collect as a bonus. Sounds like a winner to me.
    tbh, it sounds a total winner

    By the time its sorted i'll be vaccinat
    ROAD TRIP!ed/pandemic stuff will be under control, cruuuuise down with a couple of mates..... sounds pretty idyllic.

    i think tbey do the same for Sarto, so its all heading that way tbh....

    Going to head onto the Legend website now as TDV has thrown a wobbly sad on.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • pinnopinno Posts: 49,276
    Wilier Cento Uno.
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 22,965
    MattFalle said:



    Going to head onto the Legend website now as TDV has thrown a wobbly sad on.

    She's feeling threatened as your #1 love.
    And on Valentine's Day. Might as well twist the knife. 😉
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  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    veronese68 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    Matt, how about a TCR with Ultegra Di2?

    And Hunt wheels of course 😅
    Legend as above sounds like a bloody good idea, trip to Italy to be fitted and/or to collect as a bonus. Sounds like a winner to me.

    I'd go through Rohan D (affiliated with Legend) and have him build it up.

    http://doctord.co.uk/tales-from-the-attic
    Ben

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  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Ben6899 said:

    veronese68 said:

    Ben6899 said:

    Matt, how about a TCR with Ultegra Di2?

    And Hunt wheels of course 😅
    Legend as above sounds like a bloody good idea, trip to Italy to be fitted and/or to collect as a bonus. Sounds like a winner to me.

    I'd go through Rohan D (affiliated with Legend) and have him build it up.

    http://doctord.co.uk/tales-from-the-attic
    Yup - he used to do work on a friend's bike years ago - agree that he is very good.

    top shout B.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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