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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,095

    I mean, obviously, if you believed that you could wave goodbye in the morning to your son and you say, ‘Jimmy, I love you so much, go have a good day in school,’ and your son comes back at the end of the day having had a sex change operation that the school has decided on, then I accept that would be a valid reason to vote against that policy.

  • feelgoodlost
    feelgoodlost Posts: 334

    I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m simply quoting what I’ve heard when listening to commentators and the fallout of the campaign.

  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,115
    edited 3:12PM

    I’m not sure Harris mentioned trans issues much during the campaign but was definitely a noisy Trump obsession.

    Notable that it hasn’t been discussed much since labour got into power. I think you are right, not many people are that interested but the right like to rail against it as part of some woke movement conspiracy.

    edit - I typed this and missed @kingstongraham response.🙃

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,316
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,095
    edited 3:12PM

    She never raised it, when she was asked about it, she'd just say "I will follow the law, just like Donald Trump did when he was in office", but if people think that somewhere else in the country there's hordes of trans people causing absolute chaos and trying to recruit kids then that's not going to cut the mustard. How do you deal with a mostly confected issue?

    I think where there is a problem it's that even the message "I'll stand up for people's right to be who they want to be, but where there is a genuine conflict I don't believe the rights of trans people should traduce the hard fought for rights of women" would have caused paroxysms among some very vocal Democrat activists, even though it's pretty mild and mainstream. She should have learned to ignore them, as if they were going to abandon her, they did it over Palestine anyway.

  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,115

    Yep she is very soft on Israel, which put off people who might have voted for her otherwise. Trump courted the muslim vote even tho’ he tried to stop them entering the country last time.

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,269
    edited 3:42PM

    Re the trans issue (and others), this is worth watching from 21 years ago (even if the non-synchronicity between video and sound is annoying)


  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,095

    And meanwhile the Biden administration is also accused of not supporting Israel enough, compared with the Trump rhetoric.

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,269

    It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that once UK voters see what Trump does under the banner of Project 2025 and the repercussions (Affordable Care Act cuts/abolition, social security cuts, mass deportations), that that will write Labour's re-election script. Labour will be hoping that Trump goes hard and fast on his agenda, so the results are tangible as soon as possible.

    I suspect that Starmer will equally be looking at why Harris's offer didn't appeal to so many voters who opted for the shameless populism of Trump. There's equally no doubt that Farage will be similarly looking at how hate trumped decency, given that that's his area of expertise.

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,095
    edited 5:12PM

    What Labour should mostly take from this is that memories are very short. They have to make a real difference, nobody will remember what a shitshow the Conservatives were if things are still shit in 4 years time.

    Also, they really don't want Trump to go all in on what he promised to do, as that will mean a stronger Russia, a weaker NATO and lower exports from the UK to the USA. Also there is just no money for the sort of organisation that mass deportations would involve without diverting the defence budget, so he might just call that defence spending. It's probably a trillion he'd need for that.

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,132

    I do wonder if we've reach peak minority rights for a while. Liberal politicians have been trying to push societal views rather than reflect them a bit in recent years, and there seems to be a push back against a lot of progress as a result by oppressed majorities like stupid white heterosexual men.