US Politics / Biden thread
Comments
-
Seems that people have different ideas what 'the economy' means.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
C'mon BB, this is the Cake Stop, you know any theory posited has to be accompanied by a robust dataset or at least some form of pie chart/graph/table!
0 -
It gets interesting if the rapist that millions of people voted for (we shouldn't judge) doesn't actually lower the price of gas and eggs
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
no, i'm really not
net, how many coal mining jobs were saved after trump promised 'the coal industry is back'?
it's a negative number
trump lies, the gulible suck it up
if you look at prior comments, you'll see i've more than once referenced the feelings of those who feel failed, left behind etc.
neither party was likely to meaningfully change their lot, but believing trump would is clearly gullible as his promises last time proved to be lies
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
He's going to fix inflation, didn't you hear? He will fix that on day 1 by whacking tarrifs on everything and isolating the US economy from cheap manufacturing labour elsewhere.
On day 2 he will fix golf.
On day 3 he will play golf.
On day 4 he will fix Ukraine.
Days 5 and 6 he will fix the middle east (because that's harder, although his efforts on day 2 will have generated goodwill in Saudi Arabia).
Day 7 will be a rest day.
0 -
God saved him for a reason you know, many people have told him that.
0 -
Re "I also find the argument that if the left do not take on board people's legitimate concerns that you are left with Farage/Reform/populism to be nonsensical. We voted to leave the EU in 2016 and have had a right wing govt. in power for over a decade. If people felt their concerns were not being listened to then how is that the fault of the left who were neither in power or had any control over economic and social policy for a decade?"
The answer to this lies in election campaigns and politicians' offerings on social media. Obviously if you're a measured, thoughtful centre lefty then the criticism doesn't apply to you but it's surely not a giant leap to acknowledge that regular use of "bigot", "racist", "thick" etc. towards those with right wing views isn't exactly helpful in respect of persuading them to vote for more left-leaning parties. (On which note, there's a fair amount of stuff that helped fuel Euroscepticism that happened during the New Labour years in particular, not opting for the 7 year restriction on FoM after the 2004 accessions (Poland etc) that pretty much every other EU country went for.)
Similarly, the apparent satisfaction that some seem to derive from kids likely being pulled out of private school after the addition of VAT on fees doesn't create an obvious reason to vote Labour.
FWIW, I have similar issues with those on the left who demonise highly paid folk in financial services etc. as "tax dodgers who don't pay their fair share" etc. when the vast majority of such highly paid folk paid via PAYE and don't have any opportunity to dodge tax. Likewise, the assumption that folk in high paid professional jobs have only got their via "privilege" of some sort or other rather than it being at least partially down to hard work.
1 -
Off-topic but I find it fascinating that the Tories have managed three female PMs, an Asian PM and now a black female leader whilst Labour are getting all self-congratulatory about having broken all sorts of glass ceilings with their single female Chancellor.
Caveat - Whether any of the above-referenced Tories were any good is another question!
0 -
QED
Apologies for any misrepresentation.
4 -
Not saying they aren't gullible. But the real issue is why they seemingly voted Trump this time after he failed to improve their lot last time round.
0 -
Why? I find it interesting. Maybe no one else does.
0 -
Stevo's two notches too high and three too far to the right, surely!
0 -
I don't care about VAT on private school fees and don't care about the UK rejoining the EU
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Apologies, I have misunderstood your posts. I thought you were very keen on both.
0 -
The axes need to be flipped around so Stevo is on the far right.
0 -
This is why I'm here - complaints about graphs. Keep them coming.
0 -
Ideally I could find out coopster's view on VAT on private schools.
1 -
Re: "Obviously if you're a measured, thoughtful centre lefty then the criticism doesn't apply to you but it's surely not a giant leap to acknowledge that regular use of "bigot", "racist", "thick" etc. towards those with right wing views isn't exactly helpful in respect of persuading them to vote for more left-leaning parties."
I can see your point but for me it is quite a big leap. I agree that insulting people isn't helpful, but I would be very surprised if that really plays a role in swaying someone's vote or somehow pushing more moderate people to the extremes of an ideology (be that right or left). If you are voting Reform then you are surely doing so based on your belief in their policies and by definition you are going to likely be someone who is more right leaning than a traditional Tory voter. I don't think some plonker insulting you is going to cement your vote. it may harden your conviction in your views but I think that is a different thing.
0 -
Are Reform voters right wing or just anti immigration? I'd guess a lot are just the latter. They may then start to buy into other "right wing" policies because people are tribal but I would guess a good number would also say they supported Corbynite economic policies on, for example ,nationalisation.
[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
It would help if we didn't somehow give credence to people like Goodwin who will say that if you call a rioter trying to set fire to a hotel containing refugees a bigoted thick racist thug, you are somehow directly insulting anyone who voted Reform.
0 -
Not a bad effort. And the axes start at zero. Well done BB ☺️
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Telegraph article on possible reasons as to why some people over here got it so wrong in their predictions of the US results.
"Centrist-dad pundits are at their worst in American elections, tweeting as if they were a diplomat and “going granular” in a manner that emphasises their distance from events (“the county to watch, Emily, is Miami-Dade”). Of course, I see myself in this. I’ve backed my fair share of lame duck candidates, from Mitt Romney to Liz Truss to the X Factor’s Olly Murs. But the difference with the pun-dads is they think their cause is so obviously moral that they see their victory as inevitable, whatever the data says.
They tend to start with “Trump is evil”; analysis flows from an assumption that good people must agree. The tone is super-serious, which is why The Donald particularly upsets them. Absurdity punctures grandeur. When Trump said “they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the dogs”, a New York Times columnist wrote that he had crossed a “truly unacceptable line”; the voters set it to hip-hop beats with animated pets."
Sounds vaguely familiar somehow...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
-
No more top tips then?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yeah, I'm not sure it was Trump voters who set "they're eating the pets of the people who live there" to music.
The thing with Trump is that he does break all the codes of "being presidential" - to the extent of starting a riot at the Capitol, but enough people don't care, don't think that disqualifies him, they just want milk and petrol to be cheaper. What difference does it make to them if the democratic system doesn't work the way it always has?
0 -
Now, now 😊 I think we need you and W&G to go on this graph as well.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I wasn't sure of their positions. I think W&G might be a 4,6 whereas First.Aspect is probably more of 8,7. Both in line with my theory.
0 -
I think the graph should have a negative enthusiasm available. Zero enthusiasm is not the same as active hostility.
0 -
Badenoch will never be PM
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
This tweet, and I've no idea who the tweeter is, perfectly sums up the election cycle in the US and UK
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
