First time build up from the frameset: Scott Team CR1
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yes you can. they aren't going to recommend it because they can punt some more units out to clubbies who believe the hype.masjer said:MF, you can't just use any front derailleur with any shifter as you stated earlier. Your combo of 8000 shifters with a 6700 front derailleur isn't even recommended as compatible!
Your opinion of ultegra only being suitable for a winter bike is bonkers! How can it be great in winter but "cacky for anything serious"
#largepinchofsalt
Its cacky for anything serious because its, well, not very good tbh.
#youcanyouknow.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Just because it doesn't meet the hype, it doesn;t mean it's shite though right?0
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Wrong, not compatible.
Other (rational) Ulterga opinions exist-/bikeradar.com/reviews/components/groupsets/groupset-road/shimano-ultegra-r8000-groupset-review/0 -
But I have a Claris triple fd, if I'm too tight to spend £20 or whatever on a double fd, will that be ok too?
Or should I fvckoff?
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Thing is, Ultegra is a half way house. Its neither one nor another. Its not a sheep or a horse.
Its like the brother in the band the Corrs.
4 of them right - lets call them, for arguments sake, 105, Ultegra, Force and Chorus.
105 is Sharon, the workhorse, the one you can rely on. Cheap, looks alright bit heavy but will work forever. That is one of the sisters.
The other two sisters, Andrea and Caroline are Force and Chorus - far, far prettier, lighter, work better, more desirable, better materials, everything about them is far better than Ultegra. Slightly more expensive but you pay for quality.
Nothing good in life is cheap. People look at Force and Chorus with envy.
The brother Jim is Ultegra - its not the heaviest, but its not the lightest.
Its not made of the worst stuff, but its not made of the best stuff.
Some say its too good for communting but its deffo not a race g/set. Its a winter training g/s.
Its not ugly but its not pretty. You can take it down the pub but the bar maid will always catch your eye.
Its not really cheap but its no way expensive.
Its meh. A halfway house. Plasticky, bulky, a tad "oh, is that it?" Something that has been devised by a marketing department and then sold to those who believe the hype, that think it has cache, that think its special because they have been told its so. The talk of tbe clubhouse.
When was the last time someone got excited about Ultegra? Its not something you aspire to really, is it? Yeah, count me in for double shifts so I can get that groovy not very good fiddly to set up front mech.
You want a race groupset, a proper light, beautiful, sweeet, special groupset that makes you ache for it from your loins, that evokes passion, want, desire, envy, the Kari Byron of groupsets, something that you walk into the garage, see it on your bike and go "phukk, yeah, thats worth going to work for" then you buy SR 12 speed.
You want a groupset that is lighter, better, has won GTs and one days - you buy Red. Lets call that one TDNFNATN.
A GT winning g/s that you don't mind smashing up - D/A.
A G/S that the best thing it has ever done is compete in the local Wednesday night 10 TT and a Thursday night crit in Newport Pagnell - you buy Ultegra.
Ultegra - it won't get you laid but it will get you home..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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incorrect.masjer said:Wrong, not compatible.
Other (rational) Ulterga opinions exist-/bikeradar.com/reviews/components/groupsets/groupset-road/shimano-ultegra-r8000-groupset-review/
try it. it works fine.
they also say that the brakes don't they do.
They say Red 10 mech and shifters don't work with Record 11 cassettes but it does.
Don't follow the marketing, forge your own way my friend. Experiment, try, add to the recipe.
#MaryBerry.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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There was more tiagra on show at the commonwealth games than there was ultegra.MattFalle said:Thing is, Ultegra is a half way house. Its neither one nor another. Its not a sheep or a horse.
Its like the brother in the band the Corrs.
4 of them right - lets call them, for arguments sake, 105, Ultegra, Force and Chorus.
105 is the workhorse, the one you can rely on. Cheap, looks alright bit heavy but will work forever. That is one of the sisters.
The other two sisters are Force and Chorus - far, far prettier, lighter, work better, more desirable, better materials, everything about them is far better than Ultegra. Slightly more expensive but you pay for quality.
Nothing good in life is cheap. People look at Force and Chorus with envy.
The brother is Ultegra - its not the heaviest, but its not the lightest.
Its not made of the worst stuff, but its not made of the best stuff.
Some say its too good for communting but its deffo not a race g/set. Its a winter training g/s.
Its not ugly but its not pretty. You can take it down the pub but the bar maid will always catch your eye.
Its not really cheap but its no way expensive.
Its meh. A halfway house. Plasticky, bulky, a tad "oh, is that it?" Something that has been devised by a marketing department and then sold to those who believe the hype, that think it has cache, that think its special because they have been told its so. The talk of tbe clubhouse.
When was the last time someone got excited about Ultegra? Its not something you aspire to really, is it? Yeah, count me in for double shifts so I can get that groovy not very good fiddly to set up front mech.
You want a race groupset, a proper light, beautiful, sweeet, special groupset that makes you ache for it from your loins, that evokes passion, want, desire, envy, the Kari Byron of groupsets, something that you walk into the garage, see it on your bike and go "phukk, yeah, thats worth going to work for" then you buy SR 12 speed.
You want a groupset that is lighter, better, has won GTs and one days - you buy Red. Lets call that one TDNFNATN.
A GT winning g/s that you don't mind smashing up - D/A.
A G/S that the best thing it has ever done is compete in the local Wednesday night 10 TT and a Thursday night crit in Newport Pagnell - you buy Ultegra.
Ultegra - it won't get you laid but it will get you home.0 -
Not really because its a triple, not a double. It'll work but be really fiddly and not work that well tbh.darkhairedlord said:But I have a Claris triple fd, if I'm too tight to spend £20 or whatever on a double fd, will that be ok too?
Or should I fvckoff?
#clariscvnt
You may as well spend £15 on a 105 one and the spare fiver on some beer and pork scratchings.
#piggyfeet.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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This speaks volumes in itself - if ladies and gents who are Commonwealth level - and therefore far, far better than 95%of clubbies - are shunning the Jim of groupsets on an international stage that could lead to an Olympic or PRO future it can't really be that great can it, no matter what Neville the road captain says on a Sunday morning club run in matching clothes before he heads off to point out potholes everyone knows about amd shout out about oncoming cars everyone csn see.darkhairedlord said:
There was more tiagra on show at the commonwealth games than there was ultegra.MattFalle said:Thing is, Ultegra is a half way house. Its neither one nor another. Its not a sheep or a horse.
Its like the brother in the band the Corrs.
4 of them right - lets call them, for arguments sake, 105, Ultegra, Force and Chorus.
105 is the workhorse, the one you can rely on. Cheap, looks alright bit heavy but will work forever. That is one of the sisters.
The other two sisters are Force and Chorus - far, far prettier, lighter, work better, more desirable, better materials, everything about them is far better than Ultegra. Slightly more expensive but you pay for quality.
Nothing good in life is cheap. People look at Force and Chorus with envy.
The brother is Ultegra - its not the heaviest, but its not the lightest.
Its not made of the worst stuff, but its not made of the best stuff.
Some say its too good for communting but its deffo not a race g/set. Its a winter training g/s.
Its not ugly but its not pretty. You can take it down the pub but the bar maid will always catch your eye.
Its not really cheap but its no way expensive.
Its meh. A halfway house. Plasticky, bulky, a tad "oh, is that it?" Something that has been devised by a marketing department and then sold to those who believe the hype, that think it has cache, that think its special because they have been told its so. The talk of tbe clubhouse.
When was the last time someone got excited about Ultegra? Its not something you aspire to really, is it? Yeah, count me in for double shifts so I can get that groovy not very good fiddly to set up front mech.
You want a race groupset, a proper light, beautiful, sweeet, special groupset that makes you ache for it from your loins, that evokes passion, want, desire, envy, the Kari Byron of groupsets, something that you walk into the garage, see it on your bike and go "phukk, yeah, thats worth going to work for" then you buy SR 12 speed.
You want a groupset that is lighter, better, has won GTs and one days - you buy Red. Lets call that one TDNFNATN.
A GT winning g/s that you don't mind smashing up - D/A.
A G/S that the best thing it has ever done is compete in the local Wednesday night 10 TT and a Thursday night crit in Newport Pagnell - you buy Ultegra.
Ultegra - it won't get you laid but it will get you home.
#stickwithAndrea,notJim.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Thank you for the wise words.MattFalle said:
Not really because its a triple, not a double. It'll work but be really fiddly and not work that well tbh.darkhairedlord said:But I have a Claris triple fd, if I'm too tight to spend £20 or whatever on a double fd, will that be ok too?
Or should I fvckoff?
#clariscvnt
You may as well spend £15 on a 105 one and the spare fiver on some beer and pork scratchings.
#piggyfeet
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Oh agree its not shite, its just not great. It deffo doesn't merit the hype or marketing pr the clubbie adulation. Its like wanting a curry and having a korma and a plain naan.elbowloh said:Just because it doesn't meet the hype, it doesn;t mean it's shite though right?
#notgreatbutnotbadjustabitbland.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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No problem at all - pleasure to help any time.darkhairedlord said:
Thank you for the wise words.MattFalle said:
Not really because its a triple, not a double. It'll work but be really fiddly and not work that well tbh.darkhairedlord said:But I have a Claris triple fd, if I'm too tight to spend £20 or whatever on a double fd, will that be ok too?
Or should I fvckoff?
#clariscvnt
You may as well spend £15 on a 105 one and the spare fiver on some beer and pork scratchings.
#piggyfeet
#lemonyumyums
#TDKBOMB.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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#superavilynMattFalle said:
No problem at all - pleasure to help any time.darkhairedlord said:
Thank you for the wise words.MattFalle said:
Not really because its a triple, not a double. It'll work but be really fiddly and not work that well tbh.darkhairedlord said:But I have a Claris triple fd, if I'm too tight to spend £20 or whatever on a double fd, will that be ok too?
Or should I fvckoff?
#clariscvnt
You may as well spend £15 on a 105 one and the spare fiver on some beer and pork scratchings.
#piggyfeet
#lemonyumyums
#TDKBOMB0 -
He only ever rides in the big ring, so as long as he sets the limit screws right it doesn't matter.masjer said:MF, you can't just use any front derailleur with any shifter as you stated earlier. Your combo of 8000 shifters with a 6700 front derailleur isn't even recommended as compatible!
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Oh that explains it.
Personally I've never been excited by the aesthetics of bicycle groupsets. Function over form. If my bike stops well enough, changes gear properly, I'm happy riding.
To me it's like staring at a car gearbox and calipers and getting the horn.0 -
Well its all about souplesse isn't it - get in your gear range, position sorted and smoooooth it through.thistle_(mbnw) said:
He only ever rides in the big ring, so as long as he sets the limit screws right it doesn't matter.masjer said:MF, you can't just use any front derailleur with any shifter as you stated earlier. Your combo of 8000 shifters with a 6700 front derailleur isn't even recommended as compatible!
None of this up down up down up down up front down back down front up front.
Its something only some people can get, bizarrely the average clubbie seems to struggle with it. Watch them and its like watching a cat in a chip shop.
#chipshop.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Thing is though, Ultegra doesn't ecen work as well as Force or Chorus or, as seen in the evidence at the Commonwealths, Tiagra.masjer said:Oh that explains it.
Personally I've never been excited by the aesthetics of bicycle groupsets. Function over form. If my bike stops well enough, changes gear properly, I'm happy riding.
To me it's like staring at a car gearbox and calipers and getting the horn.
As MF said, its just a bit bland.
#oh.really?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Please let it stop....
#Illeism0 -
The game changer of front derailleurs is no front derailleur.
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Well, if you want it to stop MF wouldn't really recommend Ultegra brakes either - D/A are the way to go (alongside SR and the older Red), 105 is better as well but with that weight penalty offset by the fact they are cheaper.flasher said:Please let it stop....
#Illeism
#skids.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Disc or rim version?MattFalle said:
Well, if you want it to stop MF wouldn't really recommend Ultegea brakes either - D/A are the way to go (alongside SR and the older Red), 105 is better as well but with that weight penalty offset by the fact they are cheaper.flasher said:Please let it stop....
#Illeism
#skids0 -
Thing is, Ultegra is a half way house. Its neither one nor another. Its not a sheep or a horse.
Its like the brother in the band the Corrs.
4 of them right - lets call them, for arguments sake, 105, Ultegra, Force and Chorus.
105 is the workhorse, the one you can rely on. Cheap, looks alright bit heavy but will work forever. That is one of the sisters.
The other two sisters are Force and Chorus - far, far prettier, lighter, work better, more desirable, better materials, everything about them is far better than Ultegra. Slightly more expensive but you pay for quality.
Nothing good in life is cheap. People look at Force and Chorus with envy.
The brother is Ultegra - its not the heaviest, but its not the lightest.
Its not made of the worst stuff, but its not made of the best stuff.
Some say its too good for communting but its deffo not a race g/set. Its a winter training g/s.
Its not ugly but its not pretty. You can take it down the pub but the bar maid will always catch your eye.
Its not really cheap but its no way expensive.
Its meh. A halfway house. Plasticky, bulky, a tad "oh, is that it?" Something that has been devised by a marketing department and then sold to those who believe the hype, that think it has cache, that think its special because they have been told its so. The talk of tbe clubhouse.
When was the last time someone got excited about Ultegra? Its not something you aspire to really, is it? Yeah, count me in for double shifts so I can get that groovy not very good fiddly to set up front mech.
You want a race groupset, a proper light, beautiful, sweeet, special groupset that makes you ache for it from your loins, that evokes passion, want, desire, envy, the Kari Byron of groupsets, something that you walk into the garage, see it on your bike and go "phukk, yeah, thats worth going to work for" then you buy SR 12 speed.
You want a groupset that is lighter, better, has won GTs and one days - you buy Red. Lets call that one TDNFNATN.
A GT winning g/s that you don't mind smashing up - D/A. TDSD
A G/S that the best thing it has ever done is compete in the local Wednesday night 10 TT and a Thursday night crit in Newport Pagnell - you buy Ultegra.
Ultegra - it won't get you laid but it will get you home
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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MF says rim. MF says discs aren't needed on the road as proven by that dude who win that big race in France in the summer when his whole team had rim brakes.thistle_(mbnw) said:
Disc or rim version?MattFalle said:
Well, if you want it to stop MF wouldn't really recommend Ultegea brakes either - D/A are the way to go (alongside SR and the older Red), 105 is better as well but with that weight penalty offset by the fact they are cheaper.flasher said:Please let it stop....
#Illeism
#skids
MF says, and this is backed up by the DS' of the team that won that race in France in the summer that they're the answer to a problem that doesn't exist on the road and something else for bike retailers to sell to clubbies.
#skidsinallweathers.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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If you don't mind a mash up groupset then a stiff crank + Red shifters with Force front/rear mechs and 105/Ultegra/Dura Ace brakes works very nicely and with some good Ebay skills can be bought for not too much money. I was running this in the past, i used a FSA K Force crank I had lying around.
Sorry MF but SRAM rim brakes just aren't as good as the latest Shimano ones but everything else is better.0 -
MF is a big, big fan of your set up - props and kudos to you for using knowledge, experience and trial and error to get the best set up and just not plumping for what the clubbies and the people on Cycling Plus and GCN who are paid to tell you that Ultegra is good tell you to.joe_totale-2 said:If you don't mind a mash up groupset then a stiff crank + Red shifters with Force front/rear mechs and 105/Ultegra/Dura Ace brakes works very nicely and with some good Ebay skills can be bought for not too much money. I was running this in the past, i used a FSA K Force crank I had lying around.
Sorry MF but SRAM rim brakes just aren't as good as the latest Shimano ones but everything else is better.
He will give you this one - he still says that the older Red brakes are far better than the aero ones which is why he runs the older ones and not the aero ones.
If you want to go for Shimano brakes then 105 or D/A.
MF is, much like you, a big fan of those FSA cranks as well - far better than Ultegra, easier to get spare chainrings, look far nicer.
#mix'n'match.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Unfortunately, this analogy, although actually quite funny, falls down at the first hurdle, because the brother is quite clearly a man. He is not a halfway house or neither one nor another.MattFalle said:Thing is, Ultegra is a half way house. Its neither one nor another. Its not a sheep or a horse.
Its like the brother in the band the Corrs.
Also, the singer is clearly a step (or many steps) above all the others.
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Doesn't stop Ultegra being a bit meh though.... The unthinking person's groupset.
Yes - Andrea (or Andi as she and MF refer to her) always was the better one. Caroline has a mega sense of humour though. Jim (the brother) takes himself a bit too seriously, a bit like a clubbie with a new box of Ultegra..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I'd say being a full on tin foil hat wearer is a bit more than Jim just taking himself a bit too seriously, he's beyond the levels of a regular clubbie!MattFalle said:Doesn't stop Ultegra being a bit meh though.... The unthinking person's groupset.
Yes - Andrea (or Andi as she and MF refer to her) always was the better one. Caroline has a mega sense of humour though. Jim (the brother) takes himself a bit too seriously, a bit like a clubbie with a new box of Ultegra.
Jim's more like the Cat 4 racer on the 10 grand bike.0
