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  • Even if Jumbo don't win the Tour it's been an absolutely stellar first week for them.

    A stellar first week maybe, but not winning the Tour with this team would be a massive fail.
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,840
    Oh, and for those doubting the sense of Bora's tactics from the point of view of Buchmann, he moved up 5 places on GC. He's overtaken Pogacar, Chaves, Mollema, Landa and Porte. I'm reasonably sure he will be quite content with that.
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    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,840

    DeadCalm said:

    For me, the highlight of what was an excellent stage was Cosnefroy's panic in the last 500 metres of the first climb as he realised that the day was not turning out as he'd expected it would. It was almost slapstick comedy.

    What put the absolute cherry on top was the Bora riders realising what they'd done to him and sheepishly waving him through to take the points. Absolutely superb TV.
    What made it even funnier was that he barely had the energy left to accept their invitation. Comedy gold.
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    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 11,022

    Even if Jumbo don't win the Tour it's been an absolutely stellar first week for them.

    roglic is going to win it with one leg?
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 19,227
    edited September 2020
    DeadCalm said:

    Oh, and for those doubting the sense of Bora's tactics from the point of view of Buchmann, he moved up 5 places on GC. He's overtaken Pogacar, Chaves, Mollema, Landa and Porte. I'm reasonably sure he will be quite content with that.

    That would be me.
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
    If what happened to Carapaz had happened to him, I am sure a few others on here would then be doubting Bora's tactics in terms of the GC.
    And what happened to Carapaz was the reason I questioned Bora's tactics in the first place.
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,840

    DeadCalm said:

    Pross said:

    Peter SAGAN PETER SAGAN 21 BORA - HANSGROHE 138 PTS -
    2 Sam BENNETT SAM BENNETT 43 DECEUNINCK - QUICK - STEP 129 PTS -
    3 Wout VAN AERT WOUT VAN AERT 18 TEAM JUMBO - VISMA 106 PTS

    Green jersey competition still looking interesting

    Yep, not a massive reward for all the effort. I still think Sagan will win it comfortably as he'll pick up points at the intermediate sprints on mountain stages but given how it looked at half way through the stage I suspect Bennett will be quite happy with that.
    I'm not unconvinced that Bora's initial plan was to take it as far as the sprint and then sit up. They certainly seemed to be on the point of doing so (which incidentally is why I think de Gendt thought it was worth a pop off the front) until BB went to the front to lend a hand.
    De Gendt only went off the front about 500m from the top of the climb - about 16km after the sprint. They already had 6 minutes by then and the Bennett group wasn't coming back.
    Exactly. It wasn't 6 from memory but it was big enough. I think de Gendt was gambling on Bora only wanting to do enough to stay ahead of the Bennett group and not being particularly motivated to chase him. I reckon de Gendt hoped that Sagan knew that he was not going to win the sprint so why would he bother bother chasing down a loan escapee. If the wind wasn't strong enough to provoke echelons then maybe, just maybe it could have worked. As I said at the time though, he was doomed because, even if the wind wasn't strong enough, the race to get into position would up the pace enough to bring him back.
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • I like how De Gendt decides to knock work on the head for the day and go for a bike ride.
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,840
    My pessimism about Groupama FDJ coping with wind appears to have been unjustified. An astonishing 5 FDJ riders arrived in the same time as the winner, beaten only by Astana (who managed to get a remarkable 7 riders in the final group) and equal to Jumbo who also had 5 riders on the same time. No other team managed to bring more than 3 riders in the final group and Ineos ended up with just Bernal on the same time as WVA. One might argue that this is harsh on Ineos who'd have probably had 4 riders in the lead group if it weren't for Carapaz's puncture (and 3 if they hadn't made the bizarre decision to send Castroviejo back for him) but these are exactly the kind of misfortunes that would have befallen FDJ in years gone by.
    It does seem that FDJ have finally been paying attention in class.
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,598
    Saw the stage as VOD a bit delayed. Marvelous stage Really liked it.

    The decision to send Castroviejo to Carapaz was rather asinine even in the moment. The speed the first group were doing 65 km/h made it an impossibility for them to even limit losses let alone catch up again. Groupama was quite passive before, the moment Ineos was reduced to 2 riders they started drilling it.
    If I were Ineos DS, I'd have called Carapaz' race and told him to join the Maillot Blanc group. Was a pointless waste of energy.

    Kwiatkowski looking back to semi decent form (for his super high potential). Castroviejo and van Baarle looked good too.

    Jumbo in total control.

    Bardet doing a great Haimar Zubeldia impression.

    This Tour has me very optimistic. I see some fireworks approaching!
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  • ProssPross Posts: 31,602
    DeadCalm said:

    My pessimism about Groupama FDJ coping with wind appears to have been unjustified. An astonishing 5 FDJ riders arrived in the same time as the winner, beaten only by Astana (who managed to get a remarkable 7 riders in the final group) and equal to Jumbo who also had 5 riders on the same time. No other team managed to bring more than 3 riders in the final group and Ineos ended up with just Bernal on the same time as WVA. One might argue that this is harsh on Ineos who'd have probably had 4 riders in the lead group if it weren't for Carapaz's puncture (and 3 if they hadn't made the bizarre decision to send Castroviejo back for him) but these are exactly the kind of misfortunes that would have befallen FDJ in years gone by.
    It does seem that FDJ have finally been paying attention in class.

    Kwiatkowski was in the front group too wasn't he?
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,598
    Was Kwiatkowski and Bernal at the end. Kwiato dropped off in the final 200 m.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 24,072
    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...
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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 16,170
    Looking at the remaining stages it does look at a lot harder for Sagan this year. Most of the intermediates have been put before any climbs. He is a slight favourite with the bookies.
  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,840
    Pross said:

    DeadCalm said:

    My pessimism about Groupama FDJ coping with wind appears to have been unjustified. An astonishing 5 FDJ riders arrived in the same time as the winner, beaten only by Astana (who managed to get a remarkable 7 riders in the final group) and equal to Jumbo who also had 5 riders on the same time. No other team managed to bring more than 3 riders in the final group and Ineos ended up with just Bernal on the same time as WVA. One might argue that this is harsh on Ineos who'd have probably had 4 riders in the lead group if it weren't for Carapaz's puncture (and 3 if they hadn't made the bizarre decision to send Castroviejo back for him) but these are exactly the kind of misfortunes that would have befallen FDJ in years gone by.
    It does seem that FDJ have finally been paying attention in class.

    Kwiatkowski was in the front group too wasn't he?
    Strictly not as he lost 15 seconds, but I'll give you him given that his one minute effort caused the split.
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,847
    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
  • Apologies to all Bennet fans, I switched him in for Sagan in my fantasy team and killed him.
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 24,072
    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    I've nothing against the man Eddy. But... without looking, can you name his last win?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • ddraver said:

    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    I've nothing against the man Eddy. But... without looking, can you name his last win?
    At a guess, something in the Tour of Norway. I've nothing against him either, but I think there's some censored small races padding the palmares
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

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    The Vikings are coming!
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 19,103

    Apologies to all Bennet fans, I switched him in for Sagan in my fantasy team and killed him.

    Beat you to it by calling it last night. 😉
    pblakeney said:

    S7 - Bennett.

    That should bring on the cross winds and splits.

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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 16,170
    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    I'd rate him as the third best Norweigan who has ridden in the last decade
  • andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    He ruined his prospects when he joined Sky, like when some potentially-great footballers join a big club for the prospect of success and money, but then end up put in a position which doesn't suit them.
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,847
    ddraver said:

    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    I've nothing against the man Eddy. But... without looking, can you name his last win?
    Dauphine last year. Think it was the opening road stage?
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 19,227
    edited September 2020
    Someone on the course from another forum reckons it was easily 35C+ today.
    Did somebody (commentators I'm looking at you) call this Autumn?
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  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,785
    6 years since he left Sky. He never was the next Eddy Merckx
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,882
    jimmyjams said:

    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    He ruined his prospects when he joined Sky, like when some potentially-great footballers join a big club for the prospect of success and money, but then end up put in a position which doesn't suit them.

    His first three seasons there were very successful. Maybe the best of his career. But it went wrong somehow over the last two years.
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  • webboowebboo Posts: 4,260

    Get in. On the ‘heavy’ bike too. Woo bloody hoo.

    4 year old heavy frame. Having to ride rim brakes and non sponsored wheels to give it a competitive edge. I pity any one who’s bought one thinking they are this years cutting edge.
  • ProssPross Posts: 31,602
    jimmyjams said:

    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    He ruined his prospects when he joined Sky, like when some potentially-great footballers join a big club for the prospect of success and money, but then end up put in a position which doesn't suit them.
    My memory may be fading but wasn't he a member of Cav's HTC lead out train prior to joining Sky?
  • dish_dashdish_dash Posts: 5,323
    webboo said:

    Get in. On the ‘heavy’ bike too. Woo bloody hoo.

    4 year old heavy frame. Having to ride rim brakes and non sponsored wheels to give it a competitive edge. I pity any one who’s bought one thinking they are this years cutting edge.
    Ooh... ouch!

    Still looks awesome though ;)
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,882
    edited September 2020
    Pross said:

    jimmyjams said:

    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    He ruined his prospects when he joined Sky, like when some potentially-great footballers join a big club for the prospect of success and money, but then end up put in a position which doesn't suit them.
    My memory may be fading but wasn't he a member of Cav's HTC lead out train prior to joining Sky?

    They did the 2009 Giro and Tirreno together but nothing else stage race wise.
    Both did Milan San Remo and 2008 Scheldejpris which Cavendish both won and Gent-Wevelgem which EBH won

    (Not from memory. CQ Ranking)
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  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,598
    ddraver said:

    andyp said:

    ddraver said:

    Oh yeah, EBH is still in the peloton.

    He was the next Eddy Merckx, you know...

    Still 5th on the currently active riders with the most wins list. For all the criticism he gets, he's had a very respectable career.
    I've nothing against the man Eddy. But... without looking, can you name his last win?
    That Tour stage 18 I think where he took the roundabout super fast and beat the sprinters to the punch? Must have been 2018?!
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