Tour de l’Ain and Critérium du Dauphiné 2020 *Spoilers*
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Not to say he won't, but I'd be surprised if Froome is challenging for GC this year. He's clearly out to grab some stages and build on his fitness. Reckon he'll then go to ISN to get the big #5 and more...1
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Is it at all plausible he does the domestique role at the tour and does the Vuelta too when fitter? I might be talking complete rubbish but was thinking about that this morning.dish_dash said:Not to say he won't, but I'd be surprised if Froome is challenging for GC this year. He's clearly out to grab some stages and build on his fitness. Reckon he'll then go to ISN to get the big #5 and more...
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But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.0 -
Ja, also plausible...robnewcastle said:
Is it at all plausible he does the domestique role at the tour and does the Vuelta too when fitter? I might be talking complete rubbish but was thinking about that this morning.dish_dash said:Not to say he won't, but I'd be surprised if Froome is challenging for GC this year. He's clearly out to grab some stages and build on his fitness. Reckon he'll then go to ISN to get the big #5 and more...
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I guess we’ll get a better idea later today not the climb. No hiding on that reallybobmcstuff said:
But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.0 -
He didn't look comfortable when he was in the bunch.bobmcstuff said:
But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.
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I think if he’s not at the sharp end for these next few big climbs especially considering the pace will be quicker with stronger squads then it’s more like someone like TGH or Amador will go to the tour.rick_chasey said:
He didn't look comfortable when he was in the bunch.bobmcstuff said:
But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.0 -
And if he does a turn and then pulls off? What conclusion would we draw from that?robnewcastle said:
I guess we’ll get a better idea later today not the climb. No hiding on that reallybobmcstuff said:
But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.
II personally doubt Froome will arrive at the Tour with the form to get a win - it's a lot to ask after his injuries and lack of racing to not just gain enough time to assume leadership but also to defeat Jumbo. But there is literally no evidence either way at the moment, it's just casting runes. Every ride is analysed under a microscope but if he's currently riding as domestique & for training then there's not much we can tell from it.
We know that if he has genuine Tour GC ambitions then he won't want to come in too undercooked, as he could fall too far back in the Ineos rankings to be allowed the free reign to pull it back Giro style in the third week. But if he's got just enough form to stay in touch in the punchy opening then options are still open for him.
Might also be worth thinking about that *if* Ineos still have three leaders in the third week then they could suffer from a lack of domestiques to close gaps on the climbs. Bernal seems to be getting good practice at getting isolated by Jumbo and not coming off all that badly....Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I think it's at least evens that's what he will do, to be honest.No_Ta_Doctor said:
And if he does a turn and then pulls off? What conclusion would we draw from that?robnewcastle said:
I guess we’ll get a better idea later today not the climb. No hiding on that reallybobmcstuff said:
But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.
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Personally I don't doubt that he's going to the Tour. It makes no sense not to take him. Stage 3 of L'Ain showed he has a sufficient level to be of use.
What he will do in this race is anyone's guess, and unless he is winning MTFs I don't think it will say much about what he's likely to do at the Tour.
Keeping it all mysterious works well for him and the team.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Why did they not do this with their big names ever before?RichN95. said:Personally I don't doubt that he's going to the Tour. It makes no sense not to take him. Stage 3 of L'Ain showed he has a sufficient level to be of use.
What he will do in this race is anyone's guess, and unless he is winning MTFs I don't think it will say much about what he's likely to do at the Tour.
Keeping it all mysterious works well for him and the team.0 -
Because they were never in this situation before.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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After yesterday's recovery ride, I reckon Froome will be doing a ~400W stint for 30-45mins today.================
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Anyhow, since this is the Dauphine thread and not the Froome watch thread:
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Why did they not do this with their big names ever before?RichN95. said:Personally I don't doubt that he's going to the Tour. It makes no sense not to take him. Stage 3 of L'Ain showed he has a sufficient level to be of use.
What he will do in this race is anyone's guess, and unless he is winning MTFs I don't think it will say much about what he's likely to do at the Tour.
Keeping it all mysterious works well for him and the team.
No broken leg. No pandemic. Normally nobody comes into the Dauphine off only six days racing and a year long lay off.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Exactly - it's not some great plan to keep it mysterious. If they thought he could be at the front, he'd be trying to be at the front.RichN95. said:kingstongraham said:
Why did they not do this with their big names ever before?RichN95. said:Personally I don't doubt that he's going to the Tour. It makes no sense not to take him. Stage 3 of L'Ain showed he has a sufficient level to be of use.
What he will do in this race is anyone's guess, and unless he is winning MTFs I don't think it will say much about what he's likely to do at the Tour.
Keeping it all mysterious works well for him and the team.
No broken leg. No pandemic. Normally nobody comes into the Dauphine off only six days racing and a year long lay off.
Roglic has had 3 days of racing.0 -
Take the Chris Froome approach. Give up towards the end so everyone else finishes 5 minutes earlyRichN95. said:So they're likely to reach the base of the final climb at around 3pm. I have a training course at 2pm. I'd like to miss it, but I'm the trainer. I can rattle through it though.
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I've watched Froome be dropped and look bad countless times in the Vuelta. And in most cases he came back.rick_chasey said:
He didn't look comfortable when he was in the bunch.bobmcstuff said:
But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.0 -
When they blow, they tend to blow completely and look like me climbing 😉.bobmcstuff said:
But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.
Sagan is a good example. Froome did not have that look.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I have a patient to assess at 2.30 I can hopefully get through pretty quickly but then a telephone call with a patient at 3.15 so will be doing some juggling also haRichN95. said:So they're likely to reach the base of the final climb at around 3pm. I have a training course at 2pm. I'd like to miss it, but I'm the trainer. I can rattle through it though.
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Bad news for those with appointments and stuff.
Pedestrian pace means they won't even reach the penultimate, first cat climb until around 2-15pm."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
It has been a long time since I have seen him towards the back of 10+man group.TheBigBean said:
I've watched Froome be dropped and look bad countless times in the Vuelta. And in most cases he came back.rick_chasey said:
He didn't look comfortable when he was in the bunch.bobmcstuff said:
But, he wasn't looking under any pressure when he was going off the back. He was chatting away with Castroviejo like everything was fine.rick_chasey said:
Because he’s a GC rider and they don’t normally get dropped before the finish of a cat 4 climb?RichN95. said:rick_chasey said:Oh mate it’s fine you can like Froome and rate his bounce back ability - he’s the best GCer of his generation with room to spare - but this is not a good sign for him, planned or not.
There's two big stages coming up. Froome isn't much use on a route Van Aert and Impey contest. He wasn't battling to show anything to anyone. He's chill. Van Baarle who won a mountain stage last year dropped 15 minutes - any worry about him?
It’s not like he was right at the front and then was dropped.
He was swimming about at the back of the bunch.0 -
Live now on Eurosport/GCN with 62kms to go.
I reckon the finish will be about 4pm here."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Break start the 1st cat climb a couple of minutes ahead of my guess."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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And one of the last two standing. I'm Impressed.rick_chasey said:Schar again? Good effort.
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