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  • andyrr said:

    MattFalle said:

    larkim said:

    I don't think it is weird at all to recognise when someone has reflected on their misdemeanors and ultimately made genuine apology and some reparation. No cheat wants to get caught, and few cheats will have the ability to publicly own up to their cheating immediately on being caught.

    genuine apoligy?

    reparation?

    utter bollox.

    no difference between dopey millar and all the other drug fuelled lying cheats.
    Care to explain with reasoned argument ?
    Millar lied when 1st brought in the the French police - just as many would when they see their livelihood about to come crashing down. He then splurged the whole sordid tale it seems including saying that the choices were his own whilst the environment at the time encouraged such behaviour - essentially the people around him made him think that not taking PEDs meant not applying yourself 100% to your job.
    I read his book. Apparently all his best performances were when he wasn't on anything, and he named no other names.
    Didn't read it that carefully then. He fessed up to using EPO to win the World TT in 2003 and had the title stripped. They had no evidence of when he'd used (no test +vs etc) so they relied on his confession.
  • andyrr said:

    MattFalle said:

    larkim said:

    I don't think it is weird at all to recognise when someone has reflected on their misdemeanors and ultimately made genuine apology and some reparation. No cheat wants to get caught, and few cheats will have the ability to publicly own up to their cheating immediately on being caught.

    genuine apoligy?

    reparation?

    utter bollox.

    no difference between dopey millar and all the other drug fuelled lying cheats.
    Care to explain with reasoned argument ?
    Millar lied when 1st brought in the the French police - just as many would when they see their livelihood about to come crashing down. He then splurged the whole sordid tale it seems including saying that the choices were his own whilst the environment at the time encouraged such behaviour - essentially the people around him made him think that not taking PEDs meant not applying yourself 100% to your job.
    I read his book. Apparently all his best performances were when he wasn't on anything, and he named no other names.
    Didn't read it that carefully then. He fessed up to using EPO to win the World TT in 2003 and had the title stripped. They had no evidence of when he'd used (no test +vs etc) so they relied on his confession.
    And all his other big performances were on clean days then. Right.
  • andyrr said:

    MattFalle said:

    larkim said:

    I don't think it is weird at all to recognise when someone has reflected on their misdemeanors and ultimately made genuine apology and some reparation. No cheat wants to get caught, and few cheats will have the ability to publicly own up to their cheating immediately on being caught.

    genuine apoligy?

    reparation?

    utter bollox.

    no difference between dopey millar and all the other drug fuelled lying cheats.
    Care to explain with reasoned argument ?
    Millar lied when 1st brought in the the French police - just as many would when they see their livelihood about to come crashing down. He then splurged the whole sordid tale it seems including saying that the choices were his own whilst the environment at the time encouraged such behaviour - essentially the people around him made him think that not taking PEDs meant not applying yourself 100% to your job.
    I read his book. Apparently all his best performances were when he wasn't on anything, and he named no other names.
    Didn't read it that carefully then. He fessed up to using EPO to win the World TT in 2003 and had the title stripped. They had no evidence of when he'd used (no test +vs etc) so they relied on his confession.
    And all his other big performances were on clean days then. Right.
    You said 'all his best' , unless you weren't counting his winning the World Title as one of his best days?........
  • andyrr said:

    MattFalle said:

    larkim said:

    I don't think it is weird at all to recognise when someone has reflected on their misdemeanors and ultimately made genuine apology and some reparation. No cheat wants to get caught, and few cheats will have the ability to publicly own up to their cheating immediately on being caught.

    genuine apoligy?

    reparation?

    utter bollox.

    no difference between dopey millar and all the other drug fuelled lying cheats.
    Care to explain with reasoned argument ?
    Millar lied when 1st brought in the the French police - just as many would when they see their livelihood about to come crashing down. He then splurged the whole sordid tale it seems including saying that the choices were his own whilst the environment at the time encouraged such behaviour - essentially the people around him made him think that not taking PEDs meant not applying yourself 100% to your job.
    I read his book. Apparently all his best performances were when he wasn't on anything, and he named no other names.
    Didn't read it that carefully then. He fessed up to using EPO to win the World TT in 2003 and had the title stripped. They had no evidence of when he'd used (no test +vs etc) so they relied on his confession.
    And all his other big performances were on clean days then. Right.
    You said 'all his best' , unless you weren't counting his winning the World Title as one of his best days?........
    Meh, maybe I was being unfair. Seems appropriate so I don't care.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    that all as maybe but he is a lying doping cheat who stole other people's hard work because he is a lying doping cheat who was convicted and being a lying doping cheat so deserves to be treated the same as all the others.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • I feel there should be some randomiser, like a wheel of fortune style spin to decide the length of a ban. Oh, it's landed on 10 years, so sorry. Seems a bit unfair, does it?
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Or just a blanket ban them all for life as they are all lying doping cheats no matter how British or posh you are.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle said:

    Or just a blanket ban them all for life as they are all lying doping cheats no matter how British or posh you are.

    No, I enjoy hearing them moan about how unfair it is that someone else got away with a short ban when they have a life sentence.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    I must admit that yeah, its kinda good fun.

    Its also good fun to hear the book of excuses being turned to a new page, or should we say chapter.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • salsiccia1salsiccia1 Posts: 3,723
    Why TF are we dragging up something that someone did nearly 20 years ago that they may/may not be sorry for? What's that got to do with this one?
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    it covers the gammut of hypocrisy as posted above
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    they are both/all cheats so deserve to be treated the same regardless of nationality/poshness/p.a. agency
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,183
    Got an opinion on, say, Bertie Contador? Or is he ok because he denied it all / blamed dodgy beef / waited for the Spanish court system to delete the evidence?
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    orraloon said:

    Got an opinion on, say, Bertie Contador? Or is he ok because he denied it all / blamed dodgy beef / waited for the Spanish court system to delete the evidence?

    same as, geezer.

    convicted of cheating by the governing body of the sport he raced under.

    they giveth, they taketh, 'tis their ball to take away.

    you play by the rules or go somewhere else.

    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,758
    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 26,451
    I would suggest that the doping landscape was a lot different in 2003 than in 2020. It doesn't excuse it, but the pressures were different.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Pross said:

    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?

    He's a tv commentator, still taking work from clean riders.
  • salsiccia1salsiccia1 Posts: 3,723
    It's almost like every case is different and doesn't bare comparison to others
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • womackwomack Posts: 566

    MattFalle said:

    She lied when initially caught, so I don't

    pblakeney said:

    I'm under pressure for my weight, what should I do? I know, take EPO.
    Sorry, but that doesn't wash.

    If at first you don't succeed and all that.
    Seems as if he second story is getting a better reception her first, thanks mainly to those underwear photos.

    Anyhow, I'm off to score some Edgar as I have put on a load of weight during lockdown.
    Dopey Millar also lied when first caught but people seem to have forgiven him for some strange, weird, sligthly hypocritical reason....
    Have you forgotten how British he is?

    Surely he was only British when he won, the rest of the time he would be Scottish.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,183

    Pross said:

    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?

    He's a tv commentator, still taking work from clean riders.
    Yebbut. He fessed up, did his time. Like say a convicted burglar does his time then behaves, should said ex-burglar still be transported to Oz? Or should such ex-offenders who have done their time and now behave still be banned from oh everything?
  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 17,690
    Pross said:

    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?

    I think the strawman is that people only dislike Armstrong because he doped.
  • orraloon said:

    Pross said:

    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?

    He's a tv commentator, still taking work from clean riders.
    Yebbut. He fessed up, did his time. Like say a convicted burglar does his time then behaves, should said ex-burglar still be transported to Oz? Or should such ex-offenders who have done their time and now behave still be banned from oh everything?
    A struck off doctor is unlikely to replace Dr Ranj on This Morning.
  • mrb123mrb123 Posts: 4,047

    Pross said:

    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?

    He's a tv commentator, still taking work from clean riders.
    If only the performance of some of the commentators could be improved with some PEDs
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    RichN95. said:

    I would suggest that the doping landscape was a lot different in 2003 than in 2020. It doesn't excuse it, but the pressures were different.

    #bookofexcuses
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    mrb123 said:

    Pross said:

    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?

    He's a tv commentator, still taking work from clean riders.
    If only the performance of some of the commentators could be improved with some PEDs
    or, in Carlton Kirby's case, a pick axe handle
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited September 2021

    It's almost like every case is different and doesn't bare comparison to others

    You race under UCI rules

    You break those rules

    You suffer the penalties under ICI rules

    If UCI rules say life ban, thats what it is no matter how many clubbies pull the jingoism card

    end of.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    orraloon said:

    Pross said:

    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?

    He's a tv commentator, still taking work from clean riders.
    Yebbut. He fessed up, did his time. Like say a convicted burglar does his time then behaves, should said ex-burglar still be transported to Oz? Or should such ex-offenders who have done their time and now behave still be banned from oh everything?
    He lied

    He cheated

    He doped

    He stole clean riders' dreams and careers through his lying, cheating and doping.

    He knew exactly what he was doing every single centimetre of the way.

    End of

    He's full ofshit with his fake repentance

    We don't all sit here and go "oooh, Floyd, lets all forgive him and buy his overpriced clothes because he said sorry" do we?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 65,273 Lives Here
    U ok hun
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,758

    Pross said:

    Am I missing the people who have said Millar shouldn't have been banned or is someone building a straw man ready for bonfire night?

    He's a tv commentator, still taking work from clean riders.
    But who are these people supporting him because he is posh and British? He gets criticised for his past regularly on here. I don't even think he's a good pundit as some on here say.
  • ProssPross Posts: 34,758
    MattFalle said:

    It's almost like every case is different and doesn't bare comparison to others

    You race under UCI rules

    You break those rules

    You suffer the penalties under ICI rules


    If UCI rules say life ban, thats what it is no matter how many clubbies pull the jingoism card

    end of.
    Why is a former chemical company's rule book being used to dish out penalties to cyclists?
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