Anti-doping agencies killed cycling
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Michael Boogerd reckons he's past it.bobmcstuff said:Obviously a lot of people do cheat to greater or lesser extents (like in real life I guess). But to listen to Dumoulin you'd think everyone else was cheating but him.
Which would suit me fine as it would explain why I always lose
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tom-dumoulin-has-already-passed-his-peak-says-michael-boogerd-457454"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I sometimes wonder if he hasn't really got the stomach for it.RichN95. said:He's only 29. He may have gone mentally though, like Andy Schleck after his knee injury
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I mean, it's not like I think he's sore about it or something, I'm sure if he cared he could have put out a much bigger effort.blazing_saddles said:
Michael Boogerd reckons he's past it.bobmcstuff said:Obviously a lot of people do cheat to greater or lesser extents (like in real life I guess). But to listen to Dumoulin you'd think everyone else was cheating but him.
Which would suit me fine as it would explain why I always lose
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tom-dumoulin-has-already-passed-his-peak-says-michael-boogerd-457454
I like the guy, I just think he is wrong in this particular case. Although he has come across quite whiney recently.0 -
To be fair he was pretty whiney when winning his Giro.bobmcstuff said:
I mean, it's not like I think he's sore about it or something, I'm sure if he cared he could have put out a much bigger effort.blazing_saddles said:
Michael Boogerd reckons he's past it.bobmcstuff said:Obviously a lot of people do cheat to greater or lesser extents (like in real life I guess). But to listen to Dumoulin you'd think everyone else was cheating but him.
Which would suit me fine as it would explain why I always lose
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tom-dumoulin-has-already-passed-his-peak-says-michael-boogerd-457454
I like the guy, I just think he is wrong in this particular case. Although he has come across quite whiney recently.
Maybe his mum knew Addy Engels mum or something."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
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I sometimes wonder if he hasn't really got the stomach for it.RichN95. said:He's only 29. He may have gone mentally though, like Andy Schleck after his knee injury
He originally wanted to be a doctor, but didn't get into medical school (despite good enough grades). I think cycling is a disappointed second choice.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Was in the press last week saying his numbers are back up to what they were when he won the Giro.RichN95. said:No_Ta_Doctor said:
I sometimes wonder if he hasn't really got the stomach for it.RichN95. said:He's only 29. He may have gone mentally though, like Andy Schleck after his knee injury
He originally wanted to be a doctor, but didn't get into medical school (despite good enough grades). I think cycling is a disappointed second choice.0 -
You could say he may be lacking gastro-intestinal fortitude. I'll let myself out...No_Ta_Doctor said:
I sometimes wonder if he hasn't really got the stomach for it.RichN95. said:He's only 29. He may have gone mentally though, like Andy Schleck after his knee injury
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I'm just pleased someone got it. I wasn't even trying to be subtle. I'll join you outside.m.r.m. said:
You could say he may be lacking gastro-intestinal fortitude. I'll let myself out...No_Ta_Doctor said:
I sometimes wonder if he hasn't really got the stomach for it.RichN95. said:He's only 29. He may have gone mentally though, like Andy Schleck after his knee injury
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I got it but didn't comment, I did, however, think "I'll bet this runs and runs"1
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If there's any more jokes at Tommy D's expense I'm gonna lose my $hit0
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Joking aside something is just plain wrong with 250W for that event. As an untrained but get the miles in and winter roller sessions recreational rider I get the typical 3/kg and I am twice his age.0
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He wasn't trying his hardest. To say the least.florerider said:Joking aside something is just plain wrong with 250W for that event. As an untrained but get the miles in and winter roller sessions recreational rider I get the typical 3/kg and I am twice his age.
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When I joined Swift in April my FTP was 250W. I hadn't cycled regularly for several years and it's about 8 years since I've done any racing (I was rubbish back then), I also hadn't exercised for a few weeks. The couple of races I did saw me firmly towards the back of group C which suggests most of those doing Swift races are putting out more than 250W although I'm a fatty so my w/kg aren't great.kingstongraham said:I'd say it's true that most riders can't average 250W for an hour.
Bear in mind this was an open event with thousands of amateurs involved. Not just professionals.0 -
What's Swift?Pross said:
When I joined Swift in April my FTP was 250W. I hadn't cycled regularly for several years and it's about 8 years since I've done any racing (I was rubbish back then), I also hadn't exercised for a few weeks. The couple of races I did saw me firmly towards the back of group C which suggests most of those doing Swift races are putting out more than 250W although I'm a fatty so my w/kg aren't great.kingstongraham said:I'd say it's true that most riders can't average 250W for an hour.
Bear in mind this was an open event with thousands of amateurs involved. Not just professionals.
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An autocorrect version of Zwift presumably!joe2019 said:
What's Swift?Pross said:
When I joined Swift in April my FTP was 250W. I hadn't cycled regularly for several years and it's about 8 years since I've done any racing (I was rubbish back then), I also hadn't exercised for a few weeks. The couple of races I did saw me firmly towards the back of group C which suggests most of those doing Swift races are putting out more than 250W although I'm a fatty so my w/kg aren't great.kingstongraham said:I'd say it's true that most riders can't average 250W for an hour.
Bear in mind this was an open event with thousands of amateurs involved. Not just professionals.0 -
Thanks for clearing that up.0
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W/kg is pretty important.Pross said:
When I joined Swift in April my FTP was 250W. I hadn't cycled regularly for several years and it's about 8 years since I've done any racing (I was rubbish back then), I also hadn't exercised for a few weeks. The couple of races I did saw me firmly towards the back of group C which suggests most of those doing Swift races are putting out more than 250W although I'm a fatty so my w/kg aren't great.kingstongraham said:I'd say it's true that most riders can't average 250W for an hour.
Bear in mind this was an open event with thousands of amateurs involved. Not just professionals.0 -
My point wasn't exactly about the specific watts, just the principle of Dumoulin's whingeing... He effectively said everyone using it is either on miscalibrated equipment or is deliberately cheating. This wasn't Zwift either but the principle is the same.Pross said:
When I joined Swift in April my FTP was 250W. I hadn't cycled regularly for several years and it's about 8 years since I've done any racing (I was rubbish back then), I also hadn't exercised for a few weeks. The couple of races I did saw me firmly towards the back of group C which suggests most of those doing Swift races are putting out more than 250W although I'm a fatty so my w/kg aren't great.kingstongraham said:I'd say it's true that most riders can't average 250W for an hour.
Bear in mind this was an open event with thousands of amateurs involved. Not just professionals.
But since you mention it, 280 watts at the last test for me
... Finishing in the bunch in Bs now, gone from the top of C into a reasonable position in Bs. Weight is down from 77kg to 71 kg so 4 w/kg is almost there! It does help massively.
I always thought I might have 4 w/kg in me but I didn't realise I would actually be able to get there, turns out cutting out all work travel and trips away was all I needed. I've managed a consistent run of hitting all my planned workouts since late Feb/early March now, and it just keeps going up (I did do Festive 500 this year as well so I came into it pretty good). My previous record FTP was 263.
Course choice is every bit as important as in real life. I did a crit on Friday (about 20 minutes), averaged 4.2 w/kg / 295 watts for the race but the guys finishing above me had the same or less w/kg except with significantly more average watts (310, 320 watts plus) - the course rewards raw watts (or watts/drag more accurately I guess) over w/kg. I've not really figured out what suits me best as my w/kg is always going to be beaten by the really tiny guys and my raw watts is always going to be beaten by the 80+kg guys churning out 300-350. Possibly finishing with the lead group is as good as I'll get...
The other thing that is useful is short power, which I guess is also the same in real life. Mine is absolutely awful. I finished with the bunch on Friday but I had absolutely no kick in the last few hundred metres to score a better position. If you look at the (in)famous Coggan power chart, while I'm reasonable for threshold and 5 minute power, my one minute and sprint is just terrible - off the bottom of the chart terrible to begin with, although it is improving. Presumably this is the result of spending the last 4-5 years trying to boost my FTP, but there is probably something physiological there too as I have always been focused on endurance sports.0 -
I'd have thought that W/kg was at it's most crucial on climbs.
Should tie in with your W/drag theory.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Yeah, definitely. The crit course is flat (and short) so rewards people who can just get out loads of watts, weight still makes a difference but it rewards big powerful riders.pblakeney said:I'd have thought that W/kg was at it's most crucial on climbs.
Should tie in with your W/drag theory.
Many/most of the races on Zwift aren't on the big climbs though. Organisers seem to prefer shorter circuits or courses with smaller climbs, but the big climbs don't feature as much.0 -
Yeah, I was just pointing out that his whinge seemed ridiculous considering even I'm just about capable of the numbers he was quoting and I wouldn't even call myself a cyclist these days (or even particularly fit).bobmcstuff said:
My point wasn't exactly about the specific watts, just the principle of Dumoulin's whingeing... He effectively said everyone using it is either on miscalibrated equipment or is deliberately cheating. This wasn't Zwift either but the principle is the same.Pross said:
When I joined Swift in April my FTP was 250W. I hadn't cycled regularly for several years and it's about 8 years since I've done any racing (I was rubbish back then), I also hadn't exercised for a few weeks. The couple of races I did saw me firmly towards the back of group C which suggests most of those doing Swift races are putting out more than 250W although I'm a fatty so my w/kg aren't great.kingstongraham said:I'd say it's true that most riders can't average 250W for an hour.
Bear in mind this was an open event with thousands of amateurs involved. Not just professionals.
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