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Anti-doping agencies killed cycling

zest28zest28 Posts: 363
edited June 2020 in Pro race
When I was a kid, cycling was huge. Everybody knew Lance Armstrong.

As a kid, even I knew everybody was jacked up on drugs. I did not need to see test results or confessions to know this as their performances were inhuman. But it was awesome to see.

Lance Armstrong never tested positive and he was bringing in huge amount of money to cycling. He was a celebrity. But then due to “ego” of agencies, they really felt the need to bring Armstrong down rather than leaving him in glory. Bringing down Armstrong also killed cycling.

The post-Armstrong era is quite weak as teams struggle with finances. Cycling is now also a niche sport. Only a few people know who Egan Bernal is for example, despite being the reigning TdF winner. I also have to explain to people who Chris Froome is and he is the currently biggest star in the sport.

So congrats. In the end, cycling only hurt themselves.

Let’s take sprinting for example. Sprinting was not as popular anymore until Usain Bolt arrived. He was an big international star and he made sprinting great again.

However he was definetly also on some censored , just like his other competitors. They run faster than known dopers. But he was good for the sport and killing Bolt would have killed sprinting. So they were smart not to bring down Bolt. Everybody makes a lot of money and sprinting has grown after Bolt quit.

Taking guys down like Ronaldo, Messi, .... , is also a suicide move for soccer. So you will not see it happen.

In the end, everybody in pro sport is on something as every marginal gains counts. You got be naive to think other wise.
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  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 7,447
    Welcome to 2020. What's it like in 2013 where you are?
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,811
    Given up on the triathlete hero debate then?
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  • davep1davep1 Posts: 806
    You should read the "Secret Race" and you'll have a different opinion of Mr Armstrong. I get that nearly all the riders were doping, they weren't all such grade A Cnuts though.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    In a world where Christian Coleman is a big name because sprinting is more popular than ever.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 57,372 Lives Here
    Worse effort than the triathlon chat.
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 18,215
    zest28 said:

    When I was a kid, cycling was huge. Everybody knew Lance Armstrong.

    As a kid, even I knew everybody was jacked up on drugs.........
    ....In the end, everybody in pro sport is on something as every marginal gains counts. You got be naive to think other wise.

    Everybody knows Lance Armstrong now too, just not for cycling.

    You've got to be naive to think anybody on here didn't have a good old chuckle at your post.
    Thanks for that.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,496
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  • gweedsgweeds Posts: 2,375
    1/10 for effort

    Go and troll somewhere else you child.
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  • zest28zest28 Posts: 363
    pblakeney said:

    Given up on the triathlete hero debate then?

    Nope, I am still disappointed how weak some pro riders are. Tom DuMoulin was complaining the other day that everybody was cheating with their power meters as 250W on average is only what the best can do according to him?

    Yet, 250W is nothing. Even juniors can do this type of power.

    No wonder cyclocross riders like Mathieu van der Poel can beat grand Tour winners like Tom DuMoulin as he is able to deliver 400W on average instead of 250W.





  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,210
    genuine question....what exactly did it kill about cycling?
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 8,978
    ddraver said:

    genuine question....what exactly did it kill about cycling?

    Well there used to be these things called Spring Classics, then there were Grand Tours... oh no, hang on a minute...
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,811
    Troll trollin' cos that's how he rolls.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • bompingtonbompington Posts: 7,674
    pblakeney said:

    Troll trollin' cos that's how he rolls.

    To be honest he doesn't come across as clever enough to be a troll
  • jimmythecuckoojimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,559
    Love this thread.
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 3,055
    orraloon said:

    ddraver said:

    genuine question....what exactly did it kill about cycling?

    Well there used to be these things called Spring Classics, then there were Grand Tours... oh no, hang on a minute...
    It's 2020. These things are dead because of the drug agencies... not getting a vaccine out quick enough.
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  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,192
    This thread is ..... *chef's kiss*
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  • hommelbierhommelbier Posts: 1,536
    zest28 said:

    When I was a kid, cycling was huge. Everybody knew Lance Armstrong.

    When I was a kid cycling was a minority sport and no-one really knew Brian Robinson or Shay Elliott. Lance Armstrong wasn't even born.
    Just saying

  • salsiccia1salsiccia1 Posts: 3,718
    I don't know where to start on this one
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,496

    zest28 said:

    When I was a kid, cycling was huge. Everybody knew Lance Armstrong.

    When I was a kid cycling was a minority sport and no-one really knew Brian Robinson or Shay Elliott. Lance Armstrong wasn't even born.
    Just saying

    When I was a kid the Tour de France was one of Channel 4’s novelty foreign sports alongside NFL, Sumo and Kabbadi
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  • joe2019joe2019 Posts: 1,230
    When I was a kid the Tour de France was in black and white.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 16,811
    edited June 2020
    When I was a kid cycle races weren't on the television. Ever.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,496
    edited June 2020
    pblakeney said:

    When I was a kid cycle races weren't on the television. Ever.

    Television? We couldn’t imagine such a thing. We’d wait a week to read the results in a magazine

    A magazine? A luxury. If I wanted to know if Coppi had won I’d have to wait for the carrier pigeon.

    Pigeons? We dreamed of pigeons. We could only learn about Phillippe Thys by visiting the caves of Limoges to view the paintings
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  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,421
    RichN95. said:

    When I was a kid the Tour de France was one of Channel 4’s novelty foreign sports alongside Kabbadi

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  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 10,220
    zest28 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Given up on the triathlete hero debate then?

    Nope, I am still disappointed how weak some pro riders are. Tom DuMoulin was complaining the other day that everybody was cheating with their power meters as 250W on average is only what the best can do according to him?

    Yet, 250W is nothing. Even juniors can do this type of power.

    No wonder cyclocross riders like Mathieu van der Poel can beat grand Tour winners like Tom DuMoulin as he is able to deliver 400W on average instead of 250W.





    Do you have a source for this load of shite?

    This is some pretty great trolling tbf.

    Also when did his name gain a capital M?
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783

    zest28 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Given up on the triathlete hero debate then?

    Nope, I am still disappointed how weak some pro riders are. Tom DuMoulin was complaining the other day that everybody was cheating with their power meters as 250W on average is only what the best can do according to him?

    Yet, 250W is nothing. Even juniors can do this type of power.

    No wonder cyclocross riders like Mathieu van der Poel can beat grand Tour winners like Tom DuMoulin as he is able to deliver 400W on average instead of 250W.





    Do you have a source for this load of shite?

    This is some pretty great trolling tbf.

    Also when did his name gain a capital M?
    Well...

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tom-dumoulin-virtual-race-results-say-nothing/

  • fliteflite Posts: 138
    When I was a kid, we went to the library 4 miles away to read Cycling magazine. It covered British time-trialling....
  • When I was a kid you used to get time trial results in the national press every Monday morning.
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 10,220

    zest28 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Given up on the triathlete hero debate then?

    Nope, I am still disappointed how weak some pro riders are. Tom DuMoulin was complaining the other day that everybody was cheating with their power meters as 250W on average is only what the best can do according to him?

    Yet, 250W is nothing. Even juniors can do this type of power.

    No wonder cyclocross riders like Mathieu van der Poel can beat grand Tour winners like Tom DuMoulin as he is able to deliver 400W on average instead of 250W.





    Do you have a source for this load of shite?

    This is some pretty great trolling tbf.

    Also when did his name gain a capital M?
    Well...

    https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tom-dumoulin-virtual-race-results-say-nothing/

    Ah, so he just misrepresented it then.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 17,783
    I mean to be fair, he did break a sweat.
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