The big Coronavirus thread
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I agree that we have to go back to a world without restrictions... but isn't self isolating a restriction?
Allowing large amounts of virus to circulate means inevitably large numbers of people will have to isolate.
If we want to live with the virus, then isolation also must end... ALL isolation, including isolation for people testing positive.
As we are not ready for that, wouldn't it be better to prevent infections, using masks and some elements of social distancing, rather then pretending we are living normally, just to be locked in for 10 days every other month?left the forum March 20230 -
It's OR, not AND I'm looking at. Plus also an element of selfishness, as I don't really want to catch it again, and if there's lots of virus out there, I'm more likely to get it again.Stevo_666 said:
How many of these people do you think there are who are vulnerable but who haven't been offered a jab? (and who have not put their hand up or had family and friends put their hand up and point this out to get it rectified). Probably very very few. And yet the entire UK population of 66m people is being asked to change the way they live for this tiny minority. Maybe it would be better for the tiny minority to change the way that the live until everyone is fully vaccinated? (which Rick thinks is attainable as he has not challenged my assertion above about vaccine coverage).kingstongraham said:"Learn to live with the virus" again seems to mean "learn nothing and do exactly what I want".
I thought that maybe wearing masks when there was a lot of virus around might be some way we could have learnt to live with the virus. Some people are determined to learn nothing and live with the virus.
Still don't see it as a big deal really. Not sure why anyone would object to it when there's a lot of a nasty virus out there. Like I say, might also help with other viruses like flu, and save lives there.0 -
What about people with Cancer who have their immune systems knocked by chemotherapy?
Don't forget 1 in 2 people in their lifetime will get some form of it.1 -
"I don't care about the announcement about someone with a severe nut allergy on the plane, I WANT MY CASHEWS."1
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Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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They fall into the category of people who need to take extra care. Although as we know, masks only reduce the risks and do not eliminate them; so even if we all wore masks, this category of people should be taking extra precautions anyway.focuszing723 said:What about people with Cancer who have their immune systems knocked by chemotherapy?
Don't forget 1 in 2 people in their lifetime will get some form of it."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Unfortunate for you as you seem to disagree with it unless I've misunderstood.pangolin said:
Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?
Not all, but the vast majority. As opposed to some who think that everyone can be fully vaccinated...
In case you hadn't noticed, mask wearing was mandatory in many situations until just under a week ago. Now we have the choice, we can choose...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
People die in car accidents so let's ban cars....kingstongraham said:"I don't care about the announcement about someone with a severe nut allergy on the plane, I WANT MY CASHEWS."
You don't seem to understand risk management."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
@ballysmateStevo_666 said:
Unfortunate for you as you seem to disagree with it unless I've misunderstood.pangolin said:
Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?
Not all, but the vast majority. As opposed to some who think that everyone can be fully vaccinated...
In case you hadn't noticed, mask wearing was mandatory in many situations until just under a week ago. Now we have the choice, we can choose...
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Try debating the point instead of trying to stir. Not that it matters much as Bally and I can disagree on stuff you know.kingstongraham said:
@ballysmateStevo_666 said:
Unfortunate for you as you seem to disagree with it unless I've misunderstood.pangolin said:
Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?
Not all, but the vast majority. As opposed to some who think that everyone can be fully vaccinated...
In case you hadn't noticed, mask wearing was mandatory in many situations until just under a week ago. Now we have the choice, we can choose..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
How people deal with the situation is all down to personal perspective and what responsibilities/relationships people have. That's why I feel people shouldn't judge someone they see wearing a mask or vice versa.Stevo_666 said:
They fall into the category of people who need to take extra care. Although as we know, masks only reduce the risks and do not eliminate them; so even if we all wore masks, this category of people should be taking extra precautions anyway.focuszing723 said:What about people with Cancer who have their immune systems knocked by chemotherapy?
Don't forget 1 in 2 people in their lifetime will get some form of it.0 -
Sorry, wasn't directed at you - Bally said nobody would think like you did, so I think he's saying you're completely unique, and a bit simple, because you should have ditched the mask a while back because you were never going to get fined for it. I disagree.Stevo_666 said:
Try debating the point instead of trying to stir. Not that it matters much as Bally and I can disagree on stuff you know.kingstongraham said:
@ballysmateStevo_666 said:
Unfortunate for you as you seem to disagree with it unless I've misunderstood.pangolin said:
Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?
Not all, but the vast majority. As opposed to some who think that everyone can be fully vaccinated...
In case you hadn't noticed, mask wearing was mandatory in many situations until just under a week ago. Now we have the choice, we can choose...
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I said some people would do what you did, so thank you for proving me completely right.0
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I think all the major supermarkets still all customers to wear them though. So I'm struggling to see a persuasive argument not to, at least until everyone who wants to get vaccinated can do so.Stevo_666 said:
Unfortunate for you as you seem to disagree with it unless I've misunderstood.pangolin said:
Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?
Not all, but the vast majority. As opposed to some who think that everyone can be fully vaccinated...
In case you hadn't noticed, mask wearing was mandatory in many situations until just under a week ago. Now we have the choice, we can choose...
The younger end of the population have put up with a lot of sh1t mainly for the benefit of the older end. Doesn't seem like much of an ask to at least keep doing doing minor things like mask wearing for a little longer. You're not being asked to forgo the pub, or seeing family etc.
Spare the tired old flu comparisons too. Don't hear much about a little understood illness called "long flu", or concerns that a bad flu year will mean we have to start from scratch on flu vaccines either.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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You don't seem to understand what I said.Stevo_666 said:
People die in car accidents so let's ban cars....kingstongraham said:"I don't care about the announcement about someone with a severe nut allergy on the plane, I WANT MY CASHEWS."
You don't seem to understand risk management.0 -
Good try.kingstongraham said:
Sorry, wasn't directed at you - Bally said nobody would think like you did, so I think he's saying you're completely unique, and a bit simple, because you should have ditched the mask a while back because you were never going to get fined for it. I disagree.Stevo_666 said:
Try debating the point instead of trying to stir. Not that it matters much as Bally and I can disagree on stuff you know.kingstongraham said:
@ballysmateStevo_666 said:
Unfortunate for you as you seem to disagree with it unless I've misunderstood.pangolin said:
Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?
Not all, but the vast majority. As opposed to some who think that everyone can be fully vaccinated...
In case you hadn't noticed, mask wearing was mandatory in many situations until just under a week ago. Now we have the choice, we can choose..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I did and came up with a different example to make a point.kingstongraham said:
You don't seem to understand what I said.Stevo_666 said:
People die in car accidents so let's ban cars....kingstongraham said:"I don't care about the announcement about someone with a severe nut allergy on the plane, I WANT MY CASHEWS."
You don't seem to understand risk management."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Did you mean '...still ask all...?pangolin said:
I think all the major supermarkets still all customers to wear them though. So I'm struggling to see a persuasive argument not to, at least until everyone who wants to get vaccinated can do so.Stevo_666 said:
Unfortunate for you as you seem to disagree with it unless I've misunderstood.pangolin said:
Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?
Not all, but the vast majority. As opposed to some who think that everyone can be fully vaccinated...
In case you hadn't noticed, mask wearing was mandatory in many situations until just under a week ago. Now we have the choice, we can choose...
The younger end of the population have put up with a lot of censored mainly for the benefit of the older end. Doesn't seem like much of an ask to at least keep doing doing minor things like mask wearing for a little longer. You're not being asked to forgo the pub, or seeing family etc.
Spare the tired old flu comparisons too. Don't hear much about a little understood illness called "long flu", or concerns that a bad flu year will mean we have to start from scratch on flu vaccines either.
I've already made my point about the supermarket example above in a reply to Rick and a few other posts so I won't repeat myself.
What is tired about flu comparisons given how many it kills every year and what precautions we take against flu type illnesses? I take one - I have my flu jab every year and have never had an issue. We now have an effective jab for covid, so...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You didn't, and came up with something a bit odd and completely unrelated about cars. I'll help you out.Stevo_666 said:
I did and came up with a different example to make a point.kingstongraham said:
You don't seem to understand what I said.Stevo_666 said:
People die in car accidents so let's ban cars....kingstongraham said:"I don't care about the announcement about someone with a severe nut allergy on the plane, I WANT MY CASHEWS."
You don't seem to understand risk management.
There is no law that says when someone else has a severe nut allergy that you have to forgo the cashews you enjoy, you actually enjoy cashews, so there is a loss of quality of life through not eating them - indeed your normal way of life is to eat those cashews. So you can eat those cashews, despite the added risk it might put to someone else, and that you've been asked not to. But... it would make you a bit of a cunt.0 -
Well for a start, the things I wrote in my post.Stevo_666 said:
Did you mean '...still ask all...?pangolin said:
I think all the major supermarkets still all customers to wear them though. So I'm struggling to see a persuasive argument not to, at least until everyone who wants to get vaccinated can do so.Stevo_666 said:
Unfortunate for you as you seem to disagree with it unless I've misunderstood.pangolin said:
Think you misunderstood my post as your response seems to be directed at someone else. Why's it unfortunate for me?Stevo_666 said:
True, see my points made over the last few pages for how straightforward this can be if we take a pragmatic attitude. Unfortunately for you, the position I am advocating is reality now.pangolin said:
This isn't that complicated Stevo.rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
If the key thing you've recently (today?) decided to hang your hat on is vulnerable people all being vaccinated then why has your mask wearing changed in the last few days and not months ago... when all the vulnerable people were vaccinated?
Not all, but the vast majority. As opposed to some who think that everyone can be fully vaccinated...
In case you hadn't noticed, mask wearing was mandatory in many situations until just under a week ago. Now we have the choice, we can choose...
The younger end of the population have put up with a lot of censored mainly for the benefit of the older end. Doesn't seem like much of an ask to at least keep doing doing minor things like mask wearing for a little longer. You're not being asked to forgo the pub, or seeing family etc.
Spare the tired old flu comparisons too. Don't hear much about a little understood illness called "long flu", or concerns that a bad flu year will mean we have to start from scratch on flu vaccines either.
I've already made my point about the supermarket example above in a reply to Rick and a few other posts so I won't repeat myself.
What is tired about flu comparisons given how many it kills every year and what precautions we take against flu type illnesses? I take one - I have my flu jab every year and have never had an issue. We now have an effective jab for covid, so....
"Don't hear much about a little understood illness called "long flu", or concerns that a bad flu year will mean we have to start from scratch on flu vaccines either."- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I wonder if the downturn is real or just people not testing... it seems to be happening very fast...
School closures? Is that all it takes?left the forum March 20230 -
I mentioned a few pages back that my wife and I know a bunch of teachers with Covid. Two of them are still really struggling - not at hospital admission stage but still struggling for breath and feeling very drained. Both are in their mid to late 20’s and normally fit and healthy, one double jabbed and the other was due to have his second jab this week.0
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There are still huge numbers of (mainly) younger people in the UK who are only single-vaccinated. I really don’t see how aiming to reduce the R rate by mask wearing is a burden or preventing the return to ‘normal’, esp. compared to what we’ve all been through over the past 1.5yrs. Of course we can’t vaccinate the whole population, but my view is that we should at least wait until those who want to be vaccinated have had the opportunity. Also ensures effectiveness of supply chains, provision of learning & childcare, and business generally by not having large numbers excluded from work due to illness.Stevo_666 said:
Point to you and Pinkbikini is that we will never get to a situation where everyone is fully jabbed (or has had their boosters) - too many anti-vaxxers and various other reasons including pure timing of jabbing people which will prevent that. Hence my point.rick_chasey said:
When everyone is double jabbed?Stevo_666 said:
If only the vaccine protected most people from serious cases....pinkbikini said:You can still catch covid if you’re vaccinated, so you can presumably still transmit it. I now know three people who have had covid, been vaccinated, and now caught covid again.
Mask-wearing is the simplest way to stop transmission whilst getting things back to normal, but it’s an altruistic act. No wonder it meets such resistance from selfish people.
It's endemic, so this is new normal. I can't see when we would ever stop wearing masks if we follow your logic.
Not just you?
Mask wearing for a bit longer is a better long-term strategy in my opinion. What is it about a mask in an indoor public area that makes you feel so restricted or not ‘normal’?0 -
Number of tests looks to have dropped by 20% over the last few weeks, which is probably a lot to do with schools, and there's obviously less close contact because of schools closing.ugo.santalucia said:29,000 today
I wonder if the downturn is real or just people not testing... it seems to be happening very fast...
School closures? Is that all it takes?
If there's any increase associated with dropping restrictions, that will take a few weeks to filter in.0 -
It has been weakened, but the link has not been broken. Otherwise there would not be roughly 40% of hospitalisations being fully vaccinated.Stevo_666 said:
There will be calls to keep on wearing them for a long time to come regardless. I think the link between infection and serious illness has been broken to the extent that the relaxation is a sensible one.First.Aspect said:
How about when fewer than about 1 in 50 people you might meet actually have it?Stevo_666 said:
If only the vaccine protected most people from serious cases....pinkbikini said:You can still catch covid if you’re vaccinated, so you can presumably still transmit it. I now know three people who have had covid, been vaccinated, and now caught covid again.
Mask-wearing is the simplest way to stop transmission whilst getting things back to normal, but it’s an altruistic act. No wonder it meets such resistance from selfish people.
It's endemic, so this is new normal. I can't see when we would ever stop wearing masks if we follow your logic.
There's a difference between endemic and pandemic, Kermit.
You may disagree, but that is now the reality.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Could also tie in with the end of the Euros.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I would hope you would take reasonable precautions to minimise the risk of others dying in car accidents due to your actions e.g. making sure you passengers wear a seat belt and that you drive in a safe and considerate manner? Then again...Stevo_666 said:
People die in car accidents so let's ban cars....kingstongraham said:"I don't care about the announcement about someone with a severe nut allergy on the plane, I WANT MY CASHEWS."
You don't seem to understand risk management.0 -
The issue is others would like to control your behaviour regardless of the risk level. No risk could be low enough for Rick and others. As for waiting till everyone is vaccinated those that are not really are avoiding the needle at this point. In Cumbria there has been multiple calls online for anyone over 18. If you have not had your first jab you are trying really hard not to get itStevo_666 said:
Ah, the usual 'you're so selfish' argument - how predictable. Where's the rolleyes emoticon when you need it - maybe we should call it Rickrolling?rick_chasey said:
What about people who have had to wait for their jabs and haven’t been fully vaccinated yet?Stevo_666 said:
See my point above about when that might be.rick_chasey said:Until everyone is fully vaccinated, in the context of all the sacrifices we’ve all made to get to this point, i do struggle to see past the idea that if you’re not wearing masks in indoor public spaces you’re being selfish.
My trip around my local Waitrose on Friday was on the basis of what I said above - not busy and nice wide aisles so we were far from crammed in like sardines. I made my own decision as did many others.
Is it basically that you don’t care and your minor discomfort re wearing masks is more important than the risk of you giving rona to someone who is waiting to be fully vaxxed?
Maybe people who are not fully vaxxed and are potentially vulnerable (who will probably pretty rare now given anyone old an/or vulnerable was given priority) should consider whether online food shopping or other alternatives to them going round in a supermarket in person is a sensible idea? People have to take some responsibility for themselves based on their own appraisal of their situation.
Although just to point out that I had no real problem maintaining distancing during my trip, so what is your issue here?2 -
It's good manners and backed up by the highway code to give cyclists as much room as a car. I wonder why there are so many close passes still being done.Pross said:
Why should they need to be vulnerable? Surely it's good manners to try to protect others even if all you give them is amild illness? You've survived wearing a mask for 12 months so why stop now just because you're allowed to?Stevo_666 said:
And as i asked above, how many do you think are vulnerable and have not been offered the jab? If some people choose not to be jabbed, they can also choose not to go to places where they may be at higher risk.Pross said:
I assume it to mean everyone who wants to have both jabs has had the opportunity. If people chose not to then they have accepted taking the risk.Stevo_666 said:
When do you think we will get to a situation where in your everyone is fully vaccinated? Given that will never happen 100%, are you prepared to accept a situation where we have to go on wearing masks indefinitely?rick_chasey said:It’s fairly clear. The logic and context of the virus and how it is transmitted means that I am of the view it is selfish to be maskless inside in places where you mix with public in a period where not everyone had been able to be fully vaccinated.
The logic of this is obvious, as are the mechanics of transmission.
That’s the summary, no need to go around in circles.
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Too many cunts around?john80 said:
It's good manners and backed up by the highway code to give cyclists as much room as a car. I wonder why there are so many close passes still being done.Pross said:
Why should they need to be vulnerable? Surely it's good manners to try to protect others even if all you give them is amild illness? You've survived wearing a mask for 12 months so why stop now just because you're allowed to?Stevo_666 said:
And as i asked above, how many do you think are vulnerable and have not been offered the jab? If some people choose not to be jabbed, they can also choose not to go to places where they may be at higher risk.Pross said:
I assume it to mean everyone who wants to have both jabs has had the opportunity. If people chose not to then they have accepted taking the risk.Stevo_666 said:
When do you think we will get to a situation where in your everyone is fully vaccinated? Given that will never happen 100%, are you prepared to accept a situation where we have to go on wearing masks indefinitely?rick_chasey said:It’s fairly clear. The logic and context of the virus and how it is transmitted means that I am of the view it is selfish to be maskless inside in places where you mix with public in a period where not everyone had been able to be fully vaccinated.
The logic of this is obvious, as are the mechanics of transmission.
That’s the summary, no need to go around in circles.
Consider the possibility people call it selfish because it might be?2
