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dannbodgedannbodge Posts: 814
edited September 2019 in Road buying advice
I've currently got some Cosine 45mm Carbon clinchers that I want to replace.

I've got about £1200 to spend.

I've narrowed it down to either Roval CL50s (£1200) or Prime Black Edition 50s (£720).

My question is are the Rovals going to be worth the extra money?

Are there any others I should consider - 50mm deep, around 1500g (I do not want Hunts).
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  • yellowv2yellowv2 Posts: 165
    Borg 50’s from The Cycle Clinic.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    dannbodge wrote:
    (I do not want Hunts).


    these are the wisest words anyone apart from MF has typed on here in ages.

    for that price bracket also look at Planet X/Selcof - great value, well built (in the same factory as hunt, Wiggle, etc), good spares back up.

    Farsport as well.

    #clinchin'
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • dannbodgedannbodge Posts: 814
    dannbodge wrote:
    (I do not want Hunts).


    these are the wisest words anyone apart from MF has typed on here in ages.

    for that price bracket also look at Planet X/Selcof - great value, well built (in the same factory as hunt, Wiggle, etc), good spares back up.

    Farsport as well.

    #clinchin'

    I'm not a fan of the Selcof/Px ones

    I was going to look at chinese wheels but would prefer the UK based support I'd get from Wiggle/Roval
  • shirley_bassoshirley_basso Posts: 3,132
    What's wrong with the existing wheels?

    You may find getting the existing rim rebuilt with nice spokes on a nice, wide-flanged hub makes a large difference.

    I imagine the Cosine and Prime wheels are pretty similar.
  • I've got these which are basically Zipp 303's for half the price and with a more comprehensive warranty:

    http://www.wheelsmith.co.uk/product-page/dimpled-45

    Your budget would allow you to get some pretty nice hubs.

    I know a few people with Farsport and Light Bicycle wheels and they're all very happy with them so definitely check them out as well.
  • StillGoingStillGoing Posts: 5,151
    Shop around and see if you can get a deal on some Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL UST. 40mm rim depth but lightweight for it.
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • Camcycle1974Camcycle1974 Posts: 1,356
    dannbodge wrote:
    I've currently got some Cosine 45mm Carbon clinchers that I want to replace.

    I've got about £1200 to spend.

    I've narrowed it down to either Roval CL50s (£1200) or Prime Black Edition 50s (£720).

    My question is are the Rovals going to be worth the extra money?

    Are there any others I should consider - 50mm deep, around 1500g (I do not want Hunts).

    Worth looking at Spokesman Wheels. He imports his own rims to a high spec and then builds them as required. Alternatively you can buy the rims and have them built locally. That's what I did with some of his 38mm's. Great wheels.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    dannbodge wrote:
    I've currently got some Cosine 45mm Carbon clinchers that I want to replace.

    I've got about £1200 to spend.

    I've narrowed it down to either Roval CL50s (£1200) or Prime Black Edition 50s (£720).

    My question is are the Rovals going to be worth the extra money?

    Are there any others I should consider - 50mm deep, around 1500g (I do not want Hunts).

    Worth looking at Spokesman Wheels. He imports the same rims as everyone else from the same factory and then builds them as required. Alternatively you can buy the rims from him or any of the other wheel builders or planet x or whover and have them built locally. That's what I did with some of his 38mm's. Great wheels.

    ftfy - hope thats ok.

    #panacea
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Paul1000Paul1000 Posts: 192
    Spin industries
  • luv2rideluv2ride Posts: 2,339
    dannbodge wrote:
    I've currently got some Cosine 45mm Carbon clinchers that I want to replace.

    I've got about £1200 to spend.

    I've narrowed it down to either Roval CL50s (£1200) or Prime Black Edition 50s (£720).

    My question is are the Rovals going to be worth the extra money?

    Are there any others I should consider - 50mm deep, around 1500g (I do not want Hunts).

    Worth looking at Spokesman Wheels. He imports his own rims to a high spec and then builds them as required. Alternatively you can buy the rims and have them built locally. That's what I did with some of his 38mm's. Great wheels.

    Another vote for Spokesman Wheels here (have some 50mm disc wheels which have been great). Was also a pleasure to deal with. There's a chap on here with an Emonda (Bianchi Dave?) who went for 38's from him, and think he rated them too...
    Scott Solace 10 disc - Kinesis Crosslight Pro6 disc - Scott CR1 SL - Pinnacle Arkose X 650b - Pinnacle Arkose 1x11 "monster cross" - Specialized Singlecross...& an Ernie Ball Musicman Stingray 4 string...
  • dannbodgedannbodge Posts: 814
    luv2ride wrote:
    dannbodge wrote:
    I've currently got some Cosine 45mm Carbon clinchers that I want to replace.

    I've got about £1200 to spend.

    I've narrowed it down to either Roval CL50s (£1200) or Prime Black Edition 50s (£720).

    My question is are the Rovals going to be worth the extra money?

    Are there any others I should consider - 50mm deep, around 1500g (I do not want Hunts).

    Worth looking at Spokesman Wheels. He imports his own rims to a high spec and then builds them as required. Alternatively you can buy the rims and have them built locally. That's what I did with some of his 38mm's. Great wheels.

    Another vote for Spokesman Wheels here (have some 50mm disc wheels which have been great). Was also a pleasure to deal with. There's a chap on here with an Emonda (Bianchi Dave?) who went for 38's from him, and think he rated them too...

    I'll have a look but ideally I want them for an event on the 14th. Spokesman is closed until after that.

    Silly excuse I know but never mind.
  • mrb123mrb123 Posts: 2,379
    Light Bicycle with the graphene brake track and your choice of hubs.
  • bobonesbobones Posts: 1,018
    Search on Amazon for carbon clinchers with Prime and you’ll find quite a few Chinese options that are fulfilled by Amazon, i.e. shipped from UK warehouse with warranty support from Amazon.

    There are some 1300g clinchers for around £600, but I got these 50s at 1465g with straight pull Novatec hubs and Sapim CX ray spokes for £545 with next day delivery. They’re really well built and bang on spec and much cheaper than almost identical Prime Black Editions.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Carbon-Firber- ... 07CTJWY3B/

    The rims are really nicely finished and have no logos but hubs have the usual Novatec red and white logos unlike photos.
  • timothywtimothyw Posts: 2,482
    dannbodge wrote:
    My question is are the Rovals going to be worth the extra money?

    No.

    I mean, what are we talking about here? £500? You could buy a set of these with the money you save - https://www.wiggle.co.uk/prime-rr-50-se ... -wheelset/

    I'm not sure either of them are worth it versus the Cosine wheels you already have though. What's wrong with them?

    If it's just about 5mm extra depth and 5mm extra width then you probably need to have a word with yourself.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    timothyw wrote:
    dannbodge wrote:
    My question is are the Rovals going to be worth the extra money?

    No.

    I mean, what are we talking about here? £500? You could buy a set of these with the money you save - https://www.wiggle.co.uk/prime-rr-50-se ... -wheelset/

    I'm not sure either of them are worth it versus the Cosine wheels you already have though. What's wrong with them?

    If it's just about 5mm extra depth and 5mm extra width then you probably need to have a word with yourself.

    but the fast chain gang fast group at the club said that 5mm difference made my wheels outdated and useless.

    WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH?

    #willnoonethinkofthechildren?
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Whats wrong with what you have?
    Spend your money by all means, but what are you trying to achieve? You have good wheels now.

    Buy new wheels and get into the latest is best mentality. But then you will have to buy next year's must have wheels. And the year after......

    You are are unlikely to be singled out for a pro contract, you wouldn't be asking on here if you were that good. So why throw money at a non existent problem? There is no indication that your present wheels are in any way inadequate. Stick with them and save yourself some money.

    As the man said...when you strike oil, stop drilling.
  • webboowebboo Posts: 2,121
    You can’t beat advice from a tight fisted pensioner.
  • shipleyshipley Posts: 551
    dannbodge wrote:
    (I do not want Hunts).


    these are the wisest words anyone apart from MF has typed on here in ages.'

    As a matter of interest.....what’s the problem with Hunt wheels ??
  • shipley wrote:
    dannbodge wrote:
    (I do not want Hunts).


    these are the wisest words anyone apart from MF has typed on here in ages.'

    As a matter of interest.....what’s the problem with Hunt wheels ??

    There's nothing wrong with Hunts wheels. MF doesn't like them for no apparent reason so misses no opportunity to shout his mouth off, just like every other topic. He is very boring with his self important comments. But every forum has it's idiot.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    they are over priced, using exactly the same parts - hubs, spokes, rims, tape - and built in the exactly the same factory as carbonzone, farsport, wiggle, planet x, selcof, etc by the same person - but they charge twice as much for them.

    they would be fine if they weten't so expensive.

    Franco's beef is that he bought some full retail which he is now selling.

    every forum has its mug.

    #don'tbefranco
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 10,819
    they are over priced, using exactly the same parts - hubs, spokes, rims, tape - and built in the exactly the same factory as carbonzone, farsport, wiggle, planet x, selcof, etc by the same person

    Obviously you can prove all this. So let's have some links...
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    go back a few threads to the post from the dude who used to be a wheel buyer for someone.

    i got told off by someone who said that i was wrong and stupid and dumb for saying the hubs wrre novatek with hunt printed on them in a big box box - hunt owner insisyed that every hub was individually selected, weighed, balanced by an exper wheel builder.

    wheel buyer bloke - bizarrely - confirmed i was right and that same dude has boxes of hubs for p/x, selcof, etc.

    its a small time wheel seller punting out overpriced wheels to Franco the non italian.

    #don'tbefrank
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 10,819
    go back a few threads to the post from the dude who used to be a wheel buyer for someone.

    I don't really know where you mean. Could you do it? Thanks.

    In terms of evidence, a bloke posting anonymously on a cycling forum doesn't really do it for me, unfortunately. What else do you have?
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    in fact Imp I believe ypu were part of that discussion and as soon as dude posted all hunt lovers went quiet ....

    #don'tbeamug
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    Imposter wrote:
    go back a few threads to the post from the dude who used to be a wheel buyer for someone.

    I don't really know where you mean. Could you do it? Thanks.

    In terms of evidence, a bloke posting anonymously on a cycling forum doesn't really do it for me, unfortunately. What else do you have?

    errr - the parts the wheel are made of.

    #theresbetter,cheaper
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 10,819
    in fact Imp I believe ypu were part of that discussion and as soon as dude posted all hunt lovers went quiet ....

    You might be right - but I still don't know where you mean. Be a good chap...
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    Imposter wrote:
    in fact Imp I believe ypu were part of that discussion and as soon as dude posted all hunt lovers went quiet ....

    You might be right - but I still don't know where you mean. Be a good chap...

    will do. pip pip.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • dannbodgedannbodge Posts: 814
    So I want to replace the Cosines as they are starting to reach the end of their lives.
    The brake tracks are getting worn and I'd rather sell them on whilst they are worth some money than scrap them when they are done. I may also want to run tubeless at some point which my current wheels won't allow.

    Now just works for me that it's a good time to sell them on and get some better ones (lighter, deeper and better hubs) as I've had a decent bonus from work due to having 2 patents filed.

    Yes I could probably keep my current ones and save the money but where is the fun in that?
  • whyamiherewhyamihere Posts: 7,242
    If your frame/brakes will clear them, these are excellent: https://www.lightbicycle.com/700C-V-sha ... tible.html

    I have the disc brake version so can't comment on the braking surface, but the build was good, they don't weigh a lot and look cool. They're also super wide and give 25mm tyres a very nice aero profile with the tyre narrower than the rim.

    If you need them a bit narrower, or want them more quickly than getting them shipped over, the Primes look good, and you get the advantage of having bought them in the UK from Wiggle/CRC if something goes wrong, which forgives the slightly higher price. I've had a few pairs of Prime wheels, and the stated weights tend to match reality quite accurately, which isn't always the case (Light Bicycle wheels match stated weights as well).
  • redvisionredvision Posts: 2,515
    dannbodge wrote:
    I've currently got some Cosine 45mm Carbon clinchers that I want to replace.

    I've got about £1200 to spend.

    I've narrowed it down to either Roval CL50s (£1200) or Prime Black Edition 50s (£720).

    My question is are the Rovals going to be worth the extra money?

    Are there any others I should consider - 50mm deep, around 1500g (I do not want Hunts).

    Were you happy with the Cosines? If so, why not look at the Prime wheels at wiggle or crc. Basically the same and always on sale.

    If you are dead set on another brand though, you can get the roval clx 50 for £200 more than the CL50s you mention. Definitely worth the extra if you can find a way to stretch the budget.

    Depending how desperate you are for them, it may be worth hanging back a little as wheelsets are often reduced quite heavily at the end of the season, notably around black Friday.
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