National Anthem of England/UK/GB&Ni needs changing

mr_goomr_goo Posts: 3,609
edited 4 August in The cake stop
Does anyone out there like me dislike the depressing homage to a queen/king that is our national anthem?
I love to see English and UK teams excel but hate it celebrated with the dirge of God Save Our Queen. Why should we sing a celebration to a highly privileged individual. It should be a song to celebrate our country.
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 5,237
    Take a knee Goo, take a knee.
  • mr_goomr_goo Posts: 3,609
    orraloon wrote:
    Take a knee Goo, take a knee.
    Thing a about Kaepernick et all taking a knee or Megan Rapino refusing to sing US anthem is that they think they're making a point against that idiot in the Whitehouse. They're actually playing right into his objectionable views.
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  • PhilipPirripPhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    Kaepernick was taking a knee before Trump was president, Trump just made it about him because that was he does with everything, the snowflake.

    Anyway, I've always liked the realism of Alexei Sayle's Albanian National Anthem, maybe something we could copy as the country slides into isolationism and rationing;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBm5M7MUWl8
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 5,251
    I hate our anthem - it's a dirge with politically divisive lyrics. It's not going to change though - you only have to look at how our opinion of the monarchy is carefully stage managed with good news stories about babies, charity work etc headline news and God Save The Queen is part of that. By rights the English should have their own anthem.
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  • Robert88Robert88 Posts: 2,722
    We should have a referendum.

    1. Should we keep the anthem

    2. Should we not keep the anthem.

    No need to choose the new one until we have decided we need it then it should be easy enough to agree on the replacement.
  • meursaultmeursault Posts: 1,476
    It's a terrible anachronastic dirge.

    I think Billy Connoly suggested the Archers theme.
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  • Gary sparrowGary sparrow Posts: 166
    Maybe get Kraftwerk in to update it a bit
  • sungodsungod Posts: 11,723
    off with their aristo heads, it's a good day to start

    our new anthem could begin...
    arise children of the fatherland
    the day of glory has arrived
    against us tyranny's
    bloody standard is raised
    &c
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  • MidnightMidnight Posts: 80
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Does anyone out there like me dislike the depressing homage to a queen/king that is our national anthem?
    I love to see English and UK teams excel but hate it celebrated with the dirge of God Save Our Queen. Why should we sing a celebration to a highly privileged individual. It should be a song to celebrate our country.


    I said that 45 years ago
  • MidnightMidnight Posts: 80
    Midnight wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Does anyone out there like me dislike the depressing homage to a queen/king that is our national anthem?
    I love to see English and UK teams excel but hate it celebrated with the dirge of God Save Our Queen. Why should we sing a celebration to a highly privileged individual. It should be a song to celebrate our country.


    I said that 45 years ago

    How about Rule Britannia :) :) :)
  • mr_goomr_goo Posts: 3,609
    Well if we don't leave the EU soon we'll all be singing Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles!
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,158
    Robert88 wrote:
    We should have a referendum.

    1. Should we keep the anthem

    2. Should we not keep the anthem.

    No need to choose the new one until we have decided we need it then it should be easy enough to agree on the replacement.

    This would result in the musical equivalent of Boaty McBoatface.

    It's nothing special, musically, but saves having to choose something else and the nationalist idiocy that would ensue. I quite like that there isn't an anthem just for England.
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 5,237
    Thought the Ingerlish anthem was 'Vindaloo' by Fat Les?
  • cougiecougie Posts: 22,512
    Shall we put it on the list of things to do post Brexit ?

    I don't think it's a pressing matter.
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 7,698
    It's not so much the subject matter for me as the fact it's a f*cking funeral dirge.

    Anything else.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,371
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Well if we don't leave the EU soon we'll all be singing Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles!
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Bizarrely I agree that England needs an anthem and the UK needs a new anthem.

    But, and it is a very big butt, a far bigger problem is that too many of our citizens celebrate and broadcast their own stupidity
  • ProssPross Posts: 21,011
    Quite happy with my national anthem thanks
  • 4kicks4kicks Posts: 600
    Robert88 wrote:
    We should have a referendum.

    1. Should we keep the anthem

    2. Should we not keep the anthem.

    No need to choose the new one until we have decided we need it then it should be easy enough to agree on the replacement.
    Oh yes, lets, as having a referendum here has proven itself to be a surefire way of putting an issue to bed once and for all...
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  • tangled_metaltangled_metal Posts: 3,941
    Does anyone really bother with a national anthem? What rule or influence does it have on your life? Is it really important?

    Personally I rarely even hear it. When do they play it? Medal ceremonies at international sporting events. I don't watch the medal ceremonies it's a good time to go and get snacks or a drink between the actual sporting events in day the Olympics. Football finals? Sorry but England never gets to them and neither do b any other of the nations of the British Isles. At a push England cricket or rugby teams might get to win the final internationally but tbh I don't have pay to view TV so I'm the future might not even get to see that happen.

    So IMHO what's the big deal?
  • LagrangeLagrange Posts: 652
    ...same as standing for the one minute silence on Armistice day. Some people take it seriously and some don't.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,158
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Well if we don't leave the EU soon we'll all be singing Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles!
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Bizarrely I agree that England needs an anthem and the UK needs a new anthem.

    But, and it is a very big butt, a far bigger problem is that too many of our citizens celebrate and broadcast their own stupidity

    Maybe time to let that one go, seeing as it's not been used for 74 years.

    Are you going to elaborate on why you think England needs a separate anthem, SC?
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  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 10,660
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Does anyone out there like me dislike the depressing homage to a queen/king that is our national anthem?
    I love to see English and UK teams excel but hate it celebrated with the dirge of God Save Our Queen. Why should we sing a celebration to a highly privileged individual. It should be a song to celebrate our country.

    Asking a non-existent entity to 'save' an un-elected head of state. Sounds reasonable to me...
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,371
    rjsterry wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Well if we don't leave the EU soon we'll all be singing Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles!
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Bizarrely I agree that England needs an anthem and the UK needs a new anthem.

    But, and it is a very big butt, a far bigger problem is that too many of our citizens celebrate and broadcast their own stupidity

    Maybe time to let that one go, seeing as it's not been used for 74 years.

    Are you going to elaborate on why you think England needs a separate anthem, SC?

    It is the official anthem of the UK so should not be adopted by a constituent part.
  • ProssPross Posts: 21,011
    Lagrange wrote:
    ...same as standing for the one minute silence on Armistice day. Some people take it seriously and some don't.

    Two minutes.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,158
    edited 14 July
    rjsterry wrote:
    Mr Goo wrote:
    Well if we don't leave the EU soon we'll all be singing Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles!
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Bizarrely I agree that England needs an anthem and the UK needs a new anthem.

    But, and it is a very big butt, a far bigger problem is that too many of our citizens celebrate and broadcast their own stupidity

    Maybe time to let that one go, seeing as it's not been used for 74 years.

    Are you going to elaborate on why you think England needs a separate anthem, SC?

    It is the official anthem of the UK so should not be adopted by a constituent part.

    Why not? Northern Ireland doesn't have an official one either but New Zealand uses GSTQ as well. Liechtenstein uses the same tune but different words.
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  • tangled_metaltangled_metal Posts: 3,941
    Is northern ireland a separate nation. I thought it was England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales as the 4 nations of the British Isles. Out of them only three are part of the United Kingdom.

    So northern Ireland should not really have a national anthem as such. A regional anthem perhaps. Doesn't Yorkshire have an unofficial anthem?

    Anyway, IMHO you either have one anthem for Britain / United kingdom or you have extra ones for v the three nations that form part of the UK as well as the combined one. If you have anthems for two or of three nations that seems unfair.

    PS that argument probably applies to parliament and devolution. Why not?
  • LagrangeLagrange Posts: 652
    Does anyone really bother with a national anthem? What rule or influence does it have on your life? Is it really important?

    Personally I rarely even hear it. When do they play it? Medal ceremonies at international sporting events. I don't watch the medal ceremonies it's a good time to go and get snacks or a drink between the actual sporting events in day the Olympics. Football finals? Sorry but England never gets to them and neither do b any other of the nations of the British Isles. At a push England cricket or rugby teams might get to win the final internationally but tbh I don't have pay to view TV so I'm the future might not even get to see that happen.

    So IMHO what's the big deal?


    There is no big deal - so why make such an issue?
  • ben6899ben6899 Posts: 7,032
    Doesn't Yorkshire have an unofficial anthem?

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  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 7,698
    Is northern ireland a separate nation. I thought it was England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales as the 4 nations of the British Isles. Out of them only three are part of the United Kingdom.

    So northern Ireland should not really have a national anthem as such. A regional anthem perhaps. Doesn't Yorkshire have an unofficial anthem?

    Anyway, IMHO you either have one anthem for Britain / United kingdom or you have extra ones for v the three nations that form part of the UK as well as the combined one. If you have anthems for two or of three nations that seems unfair.

    PS that argument probably applies to parliament and devolution. Why not?
    I'm not sure that's correct, NI is generally considered a country the same as England, Wales and Scotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries ... ed_Kingdom

    Apparently (I was fairly surprised to learn, but it makes sense), referring to it as the British Isles is somewhat touchy with the Irish and the Irish Government don't refer to it as such. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles#Etymology
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,158
    ben6899 wrote:
    Doesn't Yorkshire have an unofficial anthem?

    Inspired by the German one. "Yorkshire, Yorkshire ovver owt else!"

    The original German anthem was written about the unification of the former Holy Roman Empire states into a single country - hence 'Germany above all'.
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