National Anthem of England/UK/GB&Ni needs changing

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  • Wayne Plunger
    Wayne Plunger Posts: 444
    An historic day.

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  • pblakeney
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    I think that Billy Connolly had this about right, use the theme tune from The Archers.
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  • tangled_metal
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    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Is northern ireland a separate nation. I thought it was England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales as the 4 nations of the British Isles. Out of them only three are part of the United Kingdom.

    So northern Ireland should not really have a national anthem as such. A regional anthem perhaps. Doesn't Yorkshire have an unofficial anthem?

    Anyway, IMHO you either have one anthem for Britain / United kingdom or you have extra ones for v the three nations that form part of the UK as well as the combined one. If you have anthems for two or of three nations that seems unfair.

    PS that argument probably applies to parliament and devolution. Why not?
    I'm not sure that's correct, NI is generally considered a country the same as England, Wales and Scotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries ... ed_Kingdom
    The Northern Ireland Act 1998, which repealed the Government of Ireland Act 1920, does not use any term to describe Northern Ireland.

    A quote from that Wikipedia link, lower down from where it said
    variously described as a country, province or region...
    . In other words not legally referred to as a country.

    Even ignoring that my understanding was that the Republic sees Northern island as part of the island of Ireland and due to well known issues with the province doesn't get treated as a country or nation in its own right.

    As a barometer of nationality, team based sports identify northern Ireland as separate on football but not rugby union. So since all this jingoistic discussion of anthems and nationality sterns from not wanting to hear the British national anthem at a sporting event. It seems appropriate to leave this debate as not conclusively proven one way or another wrt northern Ireland being a nation in its own right. :D
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    i thought they were pushing for "Jerusalem" to take over/run along GSTQ as theenglish anthem?

    #singing
    #jingoism
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Is northern ireland a separate nation. I thought it was England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales as the 4 nations of the British Isles. Out of them only three are part of the United Kingdom.

    So northern Ireland should not really have a national anthem as such. A regional anthem perhaps. Doesn't Yorkshire have an unofficial anthem?

    Anyway, IMHO you either have one anthem for Britain / United kingdom or you have extra ones for v the three nations that form part of the UK as well as the combined one. If you have anthems for two or of three nations that seems unfair.

    PS that argument probably applies to parliament and devolution. Why not?
    I'm not sure that's correct, NI is generally considered a country the same as England, Wales and Scotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries ... ed_Kingdom
    The Northern Ireland Act 1998, which repealed the Government of Ireland Act 1920, does not use any term to describe Northern Ireland.

    A quote from that Wikipedia link, lower down from where it said
    variously described as a country, province or region...
    . In other words not legally referred to as a country.

    Even ignoring that my understanding was that the Republic sees Northern island as part of the island of Ireland and due to well known issues with the province doesn't get treated as a country or nation in its own right.

    As a barometer of nationality, team based sports identify northern Ireland as separate on football but not rugby union. So since all this jingoistic discussion of anthems and nationality sterns from not wanting to hear the British national anthem at a sporting event. It seems appropriate to leave this debate as not conclusively proven one way or another wrt northern Ireland being a nation in its own right. :D

    In any case one assumes the DUP would be rabidly insistent on using the same anthem as England :)
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Is northern ireland a separate nation. I thought it was England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales as the 4 nations of the British Isles. Out of them only three are part of the United Kingdom.

    So northern Ireland should not really have a national anthem as such. A regional anthem perhaps. Doesn't Yorkshire have an unofficial anthem?

    Anyway, IMHO you either have one anthem for Britain / United kingdom or you have extra ones for v the three nations that form part of the UK as well as the combined one. If you have anthems for two or of three nations that seems unfair.

    PS that argument probably applies to parliament and devolution. Why not?
    I'm not sure that's correct, NI is generally considered a country the same as England, Wales and Scotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries ... ed_Kingdom
    The Northern Ireland Act 1998, which repealed the Government of Ireland Act 1920, does not use any term to describe Northern Ireland.

    A quote from that Wikipedia link, lower down from where it said
    variously described as a country, province or region...
    . In other words not legally referred to as a country.

    Even ignoring that my understanding was that the Republic sees Northern island as part of the island of Ireland and due to well known issues with the province doesn't get treated as a country or nation in its own right.

    As a barometer of nationality, team based sports identify northern Ireland as separate on football but not rugby union. So since all this jingoistic discussion of anthems and nationality sterns from not wanting to hear the British national anthem at a sporting event. It seems appropriate to leave this debate as not conclusively proven one way or another wrt northern Ireland being a nation in its own right. :D

    In any case one assumes the DUP would be rabidly insistent on using the same anthem as England :)
    It is in official situations. It is not the case that GSTQ is solely used for the UK anthem, nor is it the case that each of the constituent countries have their own anthems. Wales has one; Scotland uses two but technically has none - it was a matter for the devolved Assembly and they chose not to make a decision; and England and NI have none.
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  • paul64
    paul64 Posts: 278
    You could always localise Harry & Paul's rendition for 'Paquador' if you don't like our current one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggb1kRwNbW0
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Is northern ireland a separate nation. I thought it was England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales as the 4 nations of the British Isles. Out of them only three are part of the United Kingdom.

    So northern Ireland should not really have a national anthem as such. A regional anthem perhaps. Doesn't Yorkshire have an unofficial anthem?

    Anyway, IMHO you either have one anthem for Britain / United kingdom or you have extra ones for v the three nations that form part of the UK as well as the combined one. If you have anthems for two or of three nations that seems unfair.

    PS that argument probably applies to parliament and devolution. Why not?
    I'm not sure that's correct, NI is generally considered a country the same as England, Wales and Scotland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries ... ed_Kingdom
    The Northern Ireland Act 1998, which repealed the Government of Ireland Act 1920, does not use any term to describe Northern Ireland.

    A quote from that Wikipedia link, lower down from where it said
    variously described as a country, province or region...
    . In other words not legally referred to as a country.

    Even ignoring that my understanding was that the Republic sees Northern island as part of the island of Ireland and due to well known issues with the province doesn't get treated as a country or nation in its own right.

    As a barometer of nationality, team based sports identify northern Ireland as separate on football but not rugby union. So since all this jingoistic discussion of anthems and nationality sterns from not wanting to hear the British national anthem at a sporting event. It seems appropriate to leave this debate as not conclusively proven one way or another wrt northern Ireland being a nation in its own right. :D

    In any case one assumes the DUP would be rabidly insistent on using the same anthem as United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland :)
    FTFY! :D
  • shaun1961
    shaun1961 Posts: 16
    The anthem God save the queen was originally written celebrating the victory at Culloden in 1746, government forces against the 1745 Jacobite rebellion.No way does it relate to England or the rest of the UK in todays modern society .Originally it would have been God save the King.(George lll i think).Being a Yorkshireman personally i would prefer Jerusalem for Englands anthem.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    Pross wrote:
    Quite happy with my national anthem thanks

    Land of my fathers has melody.
    It's also great to hear at Cardiff arms park.

    If we have a change of Anthem, can the Swedish chef compose it?
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  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770
    Shaun1961 wrote:
    The anthem God save the queen was originally written celebrating the victory at Culloden in 1746, government forces against the 1745 Jacobite rebellion.No way does it relate to England or the rest of the UK in todays modern society .Originally it would have been God save the King.(George lll i think).Being a Yorkshireman personally i would prefer Jerusalem for Englands anthem.

    Jerusalem sits fine with me.
    Before the 1st Ashes test on Thursday they played Jerusalem followed by Advance Australia Fair. Unfortunately this was then ruined by a rendition of God Save the Queen.
    Perhaps it's the republican in me that is driving this hatred of the UK/GB/England national anthem.
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  • gethinceri
    gethinceri Posts: 1,677
    Shaun1961 wrote:
    The anthem God save the queen was originally written celebrating the victory at Culloden in 1746, government forces against the 1745 Jacobite rebellion.No way does it relate to England or the rest of the UK in todays modern society .Originally it would have been God save the King.(George lll i think).Being a Yorkshireman personally i would prefer Jerusalem for Englands anthem.

    George III was 1760-1820, his grandfather was monarch at the time you mention.
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Gethinceri wrote:
    Shaun1961 wrote:
    The anthem God save the queen was originally written celebrating the victory at Culloden in 1746, government forces against the 1745 Jacobite rebellion.No way does it relate to England or the rest of the UK in todays modern society .Originally it would have been God save the King.(George lll i think).Being a Yorkshireman personally i would prefer Jerusalem for Englands anthem.

    George III was 1760-1820, his grandfather was monarch at the time you mention.

    And reputedly was the last monarch to have led his forces into battle so needed a bit more divine assistance than they do now.

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