Giro 2019, Stage 10: Ravenna - Modena 147 km *Spoilers*

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    CarbonClem wrote:
    Some chat about GC riders detraining during this period, and the Cycling Podcast mentioned doing a training ride or turbo session post stage to get some efforts in to keep form. If this is a thing, is there any reason why a GC man couldn't go to the front mid stage and do some work? Maybe with gentlemens agreements between interested parties?
    I remember in the 2012 Giro, which didn't see a proper mountain until stage 14, Sky had Uran and Henao involved in Cavendish's lead-outs for this very reason.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    I think they all get shortish intervals making the accelerations. It's hefty 30+minute efforts at threshold they lack doing this sort of stage over and over
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    The studio talking about this loss of form idea just now.

    Bound to be a nothing breakaway today, given they have zero chance.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Ok I reckon I could hang on to that peloton. That is one soft break
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    There we go. I was going to say it'll likely be a 2 man break and it is, with the 2 weakest teams in the race up the road.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Ridgerider wrote:
    ...and the first xxkm of the stage as the break of the day tries to form!


    xx = 0
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    See you all later. Off to the shops
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    A headwind and they have covered about 16kms in the first half hour.
    Enough said.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • ridgerider
    ridgerider Posts: 2,852
    mididoctors wrote:
    See you all later. Off to the shops

    What...mid-stage???

    Can't you heat Chasey screaming into your earpiece telling you to bridge across to the break???
    Half man, Half bike
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Oh man, what I'd give to be DS in a clutch stage for the main challenger in a Grand Tour.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    https://www.strava.com/activities/1579985593/analysis

    Ben O'Connor from last year's stage 13. Pretty much flat for 120km, average speed 44kmh, average power 152W. Plenty of short accelerations but nothing terrible.

    Then the bursts start getting more often and a lot more intense.
    The first ~110km looks manageable (bearing in mind they had already done 12 stages before this, mind). But from then on you can see his heart rate and average power go up quite a lot... His average power from 120km to the finish is 264W - which is slightly more than my threshold and for more than an hour (1hr15), so I would die even without any accelerations.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    One proper acceleration and any of us would be dropped


    Certainly couldn't handle them repeatedly in close succession which is why it depends on a soft break going. What would do us would be all the repeated acceleration efforts dealing with the turns and road furniture towards the end

    Yeah not just that but a massive acceleration followed by holding 55kph thereafter.
    I still reckon holding on for the bulk of THIS stage is a possibility if the start is soft enough

    The other fly in your ointment is the 2 sprints just before and just after 100km.

    I was talking with a cycling mate recently (who also races/raced to a pretty decent level) about exactly this, and he sent me this link: scroll to about 4:20
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gP1G7FUz8nk
    OK - it’s specific to a lead out rather than “cruising” through a stage, but I still think it’s one of the best demonstrations of the difference in power/speed between pros and everyone else. And it’s poorly shot and voiced by a right duffer - which adds rather than detracts, in my view...
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    https://www.strava.com/activities/1579985593/analysis

    Ben O'Connor from last year's stage 13. Pretty much flat for 120km, average speed 44kmh, average power 152W. Plenty of short accelerations but nothing terrible.

    Then the bursts start getting more often and a lot more intense.
    The first ~110km looks manageable (bearing in mind they had already done 12 stages before this, mind). But from then on you can see his heart rate and average power go up quite a lot... His average power from 120km to the finish is 264W - which is slightly more than my threshold and for more than an hour (1hr15), so I would die even without any accelerations.


    I reckon with s bit of luck and panting you would still make the cut
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    OCDuPalais wrote:

    The other fly in your ointment is the 2 sprints just before and just after 100km.

    ...

    Actually they may drum up a bit of action.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Average race speed so far: 37.551 kmh.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    One proper acceleration and any of us would be dropped


    Certainly couldn't handle them repeatedly in close succession which is why it depends on a soft break going. What would do us would be all the repeated acceleration efforts dealing with the turns and road furniture towards the end

    Yeah not just that but a massive acceleration followed by holding 55kph thereafter.
    I still reckon holding on for the bulk of THIS stage is a possibility if the start is soft enough

    The other fly in your ointment is the 2 sprints just before and just after 100km.

    I was talking with a cycling mate recently (who also races/raced to a pretty decent level) about exactly this, and he sent me this link: scroll to about 4:20
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gP1G7FUz8nk
    OK - it’s specific to a lead out rather than “cruising” through a stage, but I still think it’s one of the best demonstrations of the difference in power/speed between pros and everyone else. And it’s poorly shot and voiced by a right duffer - which adds rather than detracts, in my view...
    Thanks for this.
    _
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    At least I didn't miss a thing knocking up tomorrow's bad dream of a stage, thread.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Battaglin bites the dust once again. Kutusha continue their crashfest of a season.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    OCDuPalais wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    One proper acceleration and any of us would be dropped


    Certainly couldn't handle them repeatedly in close succession which is why it depends on a soft break going. What would do us would be all the repeated acceleration efforts dealing with the turns and road furniture towards the end

    Yeah not just that but a massive acceleration followed by holding 55kph thereafter.
    I still reckon holding on for the bulk of THIS stage is a possibility if the start is soft enough

    The other fly in your ointment is the 2 sprints just before and just after 100km.

    I was talking with a cycling mate recently (who also races/raced to a pretty decent level) about exactly this, and he sent me this link: scroll to about 4:20
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gP1G7FUz8nk
    OK - it’s specific to a lead out rather than “cruising” through a stage, but I still think it’s one of the best demonstrations of the difference in power/speed between pros and everyone else. And it’s poorly shot and voiced by a right duffer - which adds rather than detracts, in my view...
    Thanks for this.

    He left way too big gaps there!

    But yeah, that looks deeply unpleasant...
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Here's one for you Rick.

    https://www.ad.nl/dossier-giro-d-italia ... ab3486ffd/

    I think Stef has a point. Imagine if he rode for UAE, Astana or especially Sky/Ineos.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Yeah. Stef is a good pundit, in that he says it exactly how he is it thinking it at that very moment.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    FFS crash takes Ackerman out at 1km.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Demare wins from a thinned out group with a looong sprint.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Demare squeezes Mr Toothpaste out of the win.

    Ackermann is in a right mess; ripped to shreads.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Trek rider still down - teammates look worried.
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  • twotoebenny
    twotoebenny Posts: 1,542
    Viviani needs to think about winning instead of following who thinks is fastest in the wheels...
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    It's it's it's
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Moscetti looks a mess - wobbling all over the place.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Moschetti out for the count by the looks. Ackermann the first domino it seems.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Trek rider still down - teammates look worried.
    He has come too

    Scary thou
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm

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