Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you

briantrumpet

pblakeney said:

IIRC IG was originally just to be for sharing photos.
Then Zuckerberg decided to monetise it, and ruined it.

That's what it looks like... stick extra stuff on and ruin the simplicity.

briantrumpet

Still, on the plus side, from the suggested people I should follow, they've not yet got much of a clue about me.

TheBigBean

On topic, but one for the trivially annoying thread - the way everyone can now only communicate through Whatsapp.

pinno

TheBigBean said:

On topic, but one for the trivially annoying thread - the way everyone can now only communicate through Whatsapp.

Yeah this ^.
I get (with some incredulity) "Don't you have Whats app?!... "
- No
"No?!...it's very useful for sending files and pics...".
Yes but I can send pics and files by many other methods to which I am used to.
So I can't send you the pics?
Yes you can; you can send the pics using the methods you previously used before Whats app was invented..

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

On topic, but one for the trivially annoying thread - the way everyone can now only communicate through Whatsapp.

Especially when you are trying to keep tabs on all communication relating to a project.

morstar

I think there’s a place for WhatsApp.

Threaded conversations are far superior to email. As iMessage is within apples garden wall and there is no Android equivalent, WhatsApp allows the fluidity of iMessage across platform.

What is actually better than WhatsApp for private but fully featured messaging across android and iOS?

The limitation of WhatsApp is secondary devices and needing a phone number. The web interface is not smooth enough.

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

On topic, but one for the trivially annoying thread - the way everyone can now only communicate through Whatsapp.

Especially when you are trying to keep tabs on all communication relating to a project.

My work is mercifully uncontaminated by Whatsapp.

pblakeney

TheBigBean said:

On topic, but one for the trivially annoying thread - the way everyone can now only communicate through Whatsapp.

I guess I must now be officially old.
I have never, ever, used WhatsApp.

TheBigBean

morstar said:

I think there’s a place for WhatsApp.

Threaded conversations are far superior to email. As iMessage is within apples garden wall and there is no Android equivalent, WhatsApp allows the fluidity of iMessage across platform.

What is actually better than WhatsApp for private but fully featured messaging across android and iOS?

The limitation of WhatsApp is secondary devices and needing a phone number. The web interface is not smooth enough.

For me the limitation is that it is run by Facebook and I don't like one company being in charge of all communication between individuals. It would be much better to have a standard like email, so that all IMs could talk to each other without anyone owning all communication.

rick_chasey

Why people will spend ages writing emails or whats apps when the whole thing can be done in a 2 minute call.

rjsterry

morstar said:

I think there’s a place for WhatsApp.

Threaded conversations are far superior to email. As iMessage is within apples garden wall and there is no Android equivalent, WhatsApp allows the fluidity of iMessage across platform.

What is actually better than WhatsApp for private but fully featured messaging across android and iOS?

The limitation of WhatsApp is secondary devices and needing a phone number. The web interface is not smooth enough.

WhatsApp is great, but if 99% of communication is on email, having 1% on a completely unconnected platform is a recipe for f***ups.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Why people will spend ages writing emails or whats apps when the whole thing can be done in a 2 minute call.

Lesson learned the hard way decades ago.
If it's not written down and recorded then it never happened.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Why people will spend ages writing emails or whats apps when the whole thing can be done in a 2 minute call.

Lesson learned the hard way decades ago.
If it's not written down and recorded then it never happened.

The summary follow up email covers that.

If you're having an email exchange that's more than 3 emails in total, you should have had a phone call.

*Normalise phone calls, so that people no longer feel obliged to do pleasantries. You can get so much done in such a short amount of time*

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Why people will spend ages writing emails or whats apps when the whole thing can be done in a 2 minute call.

Lesson learned the hard way decades ago.
If it's not written down and recorded then it never happened.

The summary follow up email covers that.

If you're having an email exchange that's more than 3 emails in total, you should have had a phone call.

*Normalise phone calls, so that people no longer feel obliged to do pleasantries. You can get so much done in such a short amount of time*

Try doing that with complex design.
How many discussions on here are covered in 3 posts? 🤣

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Why people will spend ages writing emails or whats apps when the whole thing can be done in a 2 minute call.

Lesson learned the hard way decades ago.
If it's not written down and recorded then it never happened.

The summary follow up email covers that.

If you're having an email exchange that's more than 3 emails in total, you should have had a phone call.

*Normalise phone calls, so that people no longer feel obliged to do pleasantries. You can get so much done in such a short amount of time*

Try doing that with complex design.
How many discussions on here are covered in 3 posts? 🤣

I recon most discussions could be covered off in one sitting in the pub tbh.

And yes, design may be different. But even then, all that written text can be done in a meeting with someone taking notes?

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Why people will spend ages writing emails or whats apps when the whole thing can be done in a 2 minute call.

Lesson learned the hard way decades ago.
If it's not written down and recorded then it never happened.

The summary follow up email covers that.

If you're having an email exchange that's more than 3 emails in total, you should have had a phone call.

*Normalise phone calls, so that people no longer feel obliged to do pleasantries. You can get so much done in such a short amount of time*

Try doing that with complex design.
How many discussions on here are covered in 3 posts? 🤣

I recon most discussions could be covered off in one sitting in the pub tbh.

And yes, design may be different. But even then, all that written text can be done in a meeting with someone taking notes?

It can, but a large majority of work is covered one to one with progress being covered in meetings. You go to a meeting and say "He said...." and that's when it goes to pot.

webboo

I thought WhatsApp was for sending videos to your grandson of his dogs that you are looking after while he’s abroad and free phone calls.

rick_chasey

Fair enough.

I think way too much time is wasted because people don't like the straight jacket of having to have a conversation at that moment and instead do in their own time over email.

Pross

I much prefer written communication. I’m addition to providing a record it is also less disruptive as I can deal with it when I get a suitable break in whatever I’m doing.

My biggest gripes with WhatsApp are that it is really hard to stop groups using it to send shite around rather than just communicate on the things the group is intended for and that you can’t leave a group without it telling everyone you have left which then seems to lead to others making comments suggesting you’ve had a strop when you just no longer want your phone pinging with nonsense memes and jokes.

Virtually all of my groups are now on mute permanently.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Fair enough.

I think way too much time is wasted because people don't like the straight jacket of having to have a conversation at that moment and instead do in their own time over email.

Imo if people are choosing to do work emails in their own time then they deserve what they get.

veronese68

Pross said:

Virtually all of my groups are now on mute permanently.

This

morstar

I was thinking more personal than business use.
Email better for work for sure but is well documented for facilitating awful behaviour.

Business critical info buried in a long doc and not called out or supported by call.
Lazy delegation of work. Multiple threads due to simultaneous replies. Pointless arse covering and pre=emptive blaming.

Chat formats are definitely better with email doing heavy lifting for key content.

briantrumpet

morstar said:

I was thinking more personal than business use.
Email better for work for sure but is well documented for facilitating awful behaviour.

Business critical info buried in a long doc and not called out or supported by call.
Lazy delegation of work. Multiple threads due to simultaneous replies. Pointless censored covering and pre=emptive blaming.

Chat formats are definitely better with email doing heavy lifting for key content.

Yup, that's why I tried to get one of my groups to use Asana. Would have worked if nearly everyone hadn't said "What's wrong with email?" and carried on with the same chaos of unthreaded conversations with badly-titled emails.

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Why people will spend ages writing emails or whats apps when the whole thing can be done in a 2 minute call.

Lesson learned the hard way decades ago.
If it's not written down and recorded then it never happened.

The summary follow up email covers that.

If you're having an email exchange that's more than 3 emails in total, you should have had a phone call.

*Normalise phone calls, so that people no longer feel obliged to do pleasantries. You can get so much done in such a short amount of time*

I guess you don't have a minimum of 6 years liability if one of your recruits turns out to be a bit rubbish. Phone calls are for stuff you don't want to write down.

pangolin

briantrumpet said:

morstar said:

I was thinking more personal than business use.
Email better for work for sure but is well documented for facilitating awful behaviour.

Business critical info buried in a long doc and not called out or supported by call.
Lazy delegation of work. Multiple threads due to simultaneous replies. Pointless censored covering and pre=emptive blaming.

Chat formats are definitely better with email doing heavy lifting for key content.

Yup, that's why I tried to get one of my groups to use Asana. Would have worked if nearly everyone hadn't said "What's wrong with email?" and carried on with the same chaos of unthreaded conversations with badly-titled emails.

I don't know if you've watched the sitcom "Motherland" but this reminds me of Kevin trying to get the group of mums to use a messaging app to organise events etc. Fantastic.

rick_chasey

Google's saving about $2.5bn a year via the lay offs, but last year they spent almost $50bn on share buy-backs.

Weird.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Google's saving about $2.5bn a year via the lay offs, but last year they spent almost $50bn on share buy-backs.

Weird.

Shareholders money isn't it.

They are likely cash rich and have a substantial balance sheet, but still need to maintain profitability at a certain level in the year. So not intriguing in my view.

pinno

How come there are 14m sheep in the UK yet Lamb is so expensive at the supermarket?

First.Aspect

I don't understand the economics of UK farming. For slaughter, a "lamb" (meaning a young adult sheep) goes for about £30. So that's about £15 per lamb per year. You need a lot of lambs to make a living, but the guy around here has a flock of 1000 if he is lucky, but drives a Discovery, employs a couple of lads and has to run 3 quads, a land rover and a tractor.

Anyone explain how that adds up to a living? And of subsidies?

pblakeney

I believe Clarkson did a documentary on a similar topic. 😉