Garmin edge 530 and 830 announced

kingstongraham

Slowbike wrote:

with something like ViewRanger you can download various maps (some free) to your phone/device for local access - no signal required...
I tend to do this when going away with the bikes as waiting for the maps to download on the fly can take too long - so cache them around where we're going to be... slightly easier with a youngster in tow as we don't stray far - a bit harder if you're doing a fair few miles

You can do this with Google maps too.

keef66

PBlakeney wrote:

PhilipPirrip wrote:

You're probably right. These units are overkill for my needs.

Upon reflection I've used navigation around six times a year and if I do lose my way the occassional look on my phone points me back in the right direction.

Beware where you go relying on a phone. I took a wrong turn on the back roads in the outskirts of Oban last week. No road signs, no phone signal and I didn't trust the directions on my 520. Decided to show a little faith and it paid off.

Same happened to me in the Algarve. Garmin threw a fit and lost my route, half the countryside was on fire, and no signal on my mobile so Google maps was no help. Trying to make it back to the hotel in time for an afternoon boat trip with the extended family. I just rode on instinct and guessing direction based on the sun, and made it back with 5 minutes to spare. Later the chocolate teapot Garmin told me I'd beaten my previous MHR on one particularly nasty little climb

pblakeney

KingstonGraham wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

with something like ViewRanger you can download various maps (some free) to your phone/device for local access - no signal required...
I tend to do this when going away with the bikes as waiting for the maps to download on the fly can take too long - so cache them around where we're going to be... slightly easier with a youngster in tow as we don't stray far - a bit harder if you're doing a fair few miles

You can do this with Google maps too.

Things most people don’t realise that a phone can do.
Thanks, but I doubt I’ll use it.

awavey

PBlakeney wrote:

PhilipPirrip wrote:

You're probably right. These units are overkill for my needs.

Upon reflection I've used navigation around six times a year and if I do lose my way the occassional look on my phone points me back in the right direction.

Beware where you go relying on a phone. I took a wrong turn on the back roads in the outskirts of Oban last week. No road signs, no phone signal and I didn't trust the directions on my 520. Decided to show a little faith in the 520 and it paid off.

and apply to most of Norfolk, Norwich gets 4G, the rest of the place is GPRS if you are lucky, most of the time theres no signal in the countryside, so rely on mobile phone navigation at your peril imo,plus bearing in mind their reluctance to use signposts round there

PhilipPirrip

awavey wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

PhilipPirrip wrote:

You're probably right. These units are overkill for my needs.

Upon reflection I've used navigation around six times a year and if I do lose my way the occassional look on my phone points me back in the right direction.

Beware where you go relying on a phone. I took a wrong turn on the back roads in the outskirts of Oban last week. No road signs, no phone signal and I didn't trust the directions on my 520. Decided to show a little faith in the 520 and it paid off.

and apply to most of Norfolk, Norwich gets 4G, the rest of the place is GPRS if you are lucky, most of the time theres no signal in the countryside, so rely on mobile phone navigation at your peril imo,plus bearing in mind their reluctance to use signposts round there

It never occured to me that people would require a mobile connection to navigate with a phone when cycling. I use Maps.Me and Here downloaded maps and have used caching on Google maps to ensure I have multiple offline mapping options at all times.

Certainly when driving live map data is useful but when cycling it's more about enjoying the ride and so son't mind the occassional detour.

StillGoing

A few gripes surfacing already with the 530. https://the5krunner.com/2019/05/11/garm ... es-so-far/

thegreatdivide

philthy3 wrote:

A few gripes surfacing already with the 530. https://the5krunner.com/2019/05/11/garm ... es-so-far/

We get it, you have a Wahoo computer. Well done.

Many of us will be buying a 530.

StillGoing

thegreatdivide wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

A few gripes surfacing already with the 530. https://the5krunner.com/2019/05/11/garm ... es-so-far/

We get it, you have a Wahoo computer. Well done.

Many of us will be buying a 530.

It isn't a gripe at the 530. I'm not MF you know.

I was looking for user impressions on both devices so far, but at the moment the Roam doesn't seem to have reached the end user hands, even in the US. For balance, I've said that the ROAM doesn't do enough to warrant replacing the original ELEMNT and that seems to be the view of most of the online reviewers. Compared to the 530, the ROAM is overpriced and doesn't do as much function wise. It's only saving grace is the simplicity of set-up.

kingstongraham

philthy3 wrote:

A few gripes surfacing already with the 530. https://the5krunner.com/2019/05/11/garm ... es-so-far/

If the buttons don't work, I wouldn't "give it a few weeks".

ugo.santalucia

I can't see myself ever buying the Wahoo... aside from the terrible display, I understand it can only be operated via a phone, which is a bit of a faff. I want to be able to plug it in a laptop and do the things I need to do there.

I have resisted upgrading my ageing fleet of Edge 200 until Garmin comes out with something trouble free... fingers crossed the 530 is the job.

keef66

KingstonGraham wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

A few gripes surfacing already with the 530. https://the5krunner.com/2019/05/11/garm ... es-so-far/

If the buttons don't work, I wouldn't "give it a few weeks".

I thought the same. It's frustrating when a touchscreen needs repeated tapping to make it work, but a physical button should really be 100% effective first time. If they need pressing really hard or more than once before they register it's going straight back.

StillGoing

ugo.santalucia wrote:

I can't see myself ever buying the Wahoo... aside from the terrible display, I understand it can only be operated via a phone, which is a bit of a faff. I want to be able to plug it in a laptop and do the things I need to do there.

I have resisted upgrading my ageing fleet of Edge 200 until Garmin comes out with something trouble free... fingers crossed the 530 is the job.

You don't need a phone to make it work.

slowbike

I can see the advantage of using a phone/laptop to configure the screen layout & settings - you get more screen space & can use the phone's interface rather than having to build that capability into your device.

Some aspects of the 820 can be configured from the App - but it falls a long way short of what I'd like - doesn't sound like the 5/830 control is any better - not that it matters as setup is one thing that doesn't change very often.

meursault

530 is in a few retailers now.

itboffin

I'm going to skip these releases and wait for the 1030 to come down to a reasonable price, likewise once i see a 130 for less than £100 that'll be the replacement for my Edge 705 which lives full time as a head unit on the turbo trainer setup.

slowbike

First big ride with the 820 over the weekend - I hadn't quite appreciated how the power save mode worked - turned it on part way through the ride and meant the unit lasted all 12 hours it was in use.
Basically, it just turns off the screen, but still records all your data, including HR & Cadence (don't have power on that bike) - it's a bit weird looking down and not seeing the data on the screen - but a quick touch and it displays it for you - then turns back off soon after.
We looked at a 520 to see if it would do it - but that unit didn't seem to have the option.

So if you're after big rides and not worried about minute by minute display & directions - it may be an option for you ...

kingstongraham

Slowbike wrote:

First big ride with the 820 over the weekend - I hadn't quite appreciated how the power save mode worked - turned it on part way through the ride and meant the unit lasted all 12 hours it was in use.
Basically, it just turns off the screen, but still records all your data, including HR & Cadence (don't have power on that bike) - it's a bit weird looking down and not seeing the data on the screen - but a quick touch and it displays it for you - then turns back off soon after.
We looked at a 520 to see if it would do it - but that unit didn't seem to have the option.

So if you're after big rides and not worried about minute by minute display & directions - it may be an option for you ...

If you have a route planned, the screen will come back on to alert you to an upcoming turn when in power save mode.

alanyu

Got my 830 from wiggle several days ago.

A 170km ride with 1500m H in 8.5h total/ 6.75h moving, connected with power meter, auto backlight (a very good sunny day), GPS + Glonass, navigation on, resulting in only 29% battery loss. Amazing battery life, much better than 1030 which can only last no more than 15h with navigation on.

keef66

Was that following a route you created and uploaded to the device, then followed as a course with turn by turn directions?

alanyu

keef66 wrote:

Was that following a route you created and uploaded to the device, then followed as a course with turn by turn directions?

Yes, I've tried both Strava Rountes (sync strava routes to edge) and Garmin Connect creating routes and they are both turn by turn at most intersections.

Dorset_Boy

Sign up for, and complete the Strava Cycle Surgery 75 mile challenge and you can actually get a discount (10%) on the 530 & 830. Not found any other discounts for them so far.

CRAIGO5000

Because the edge 530 is still not fully available and reviews are sparse, I’ve been looking at how Strava segments are handled on the 520. I was pretty shocked to read that the Garmin can only hold 100 segments including 30 of your local popular segments AND that if following a course, segments WILL NOT be displayed because Garmin do not support this functionality! That’s a huge let down. I can only assume ClimbPro integration on the 530 has even more integration caveats which would effectively render it useless in the real-world.

I’m back and forth with this and an ELEMNT but I now think because Wahoo hasn’t any of the above issues along with world map coverage - it’s the device for me.

I really want to like the 530 but this is reminding me of all the failings of the 800 I own from nearly a decade ago. I take it Garmin are still pushing out device updates every few years too rather than every few weeks?

wongataa

ClimbPro integration doesn't have many caveats part from that you need to be navigating a route to use it. The unit calculates whether any climbs qualify when you calculate a route and displays the relevant screen when you reach the climb(s).

World map coverage is a non issue as you can easily add maps of wherever you want to Garmin units.

StillGoing

CRAIGO5000 wrote:

Because the edge 530 is still not fully available and reviews are sparse, I’ve been looking at how Strava segments are handled on the 520. I was pretty shocked to read that the Garmin can only hold 100 segments including 30 of your local popular segments AND that if following a course, segments WILL NOT be displayed because Garmin do not support this functionality! That’s a huge let down. I can only assume ClimbPro integration on the 530 has even more integration caveats which would effectively render it useless in the real-world.

I’m back and forth with this and an ELEMNT but I now think because Wahoo hasn’t any of the above issues along with world map coverage - it’s the device for me.

I really want to like the 530 but this is reminding me of all the failings of the 800 I own from nearly a decade ago. I take it Garmin are still pushing out device updates every few years too rather than every few weeks?

The additional features the ROAM was lacking on release that put it behind the Garmin's in terms of spec, are on the verge of being added imminently according to Wahoo.

wongataa wrote:

World map coverage is a non issue as you can easily add maps of wherever you want to Garmin units.

At least with the Wahoo you don't need to be adding any maps.

StillGoing

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