Emiliano Sala
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crispybug2 wrote:We all make errors of judgment, big and small, and in 99.999999% of these cases no harm whatsoever will come to us, the time we can be absolutely sure of any of judgments is through the prism of hindsight!
We do, but the only reason to have money is to have choice... if having choice ends up making bad choices, then there is little to no point in having it.
I hope you agree that a piper is significantly more dangerous than a 737 from a reputable airline... or at least stats say soleft the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:crispybug2 wrote:We all make errors of judgment, big and small, and in 99.999999% of these cases no harm whatsoever will come to us, the time we can be absolutely sure of any of judgments is through the prism of hindsight!
We do, but the only reason to have money is to have choice... if having choice ends up making bad choices, then there is little to no point in having it.
I hope you agree that a piper is significantly more dangerous than a 737 from a reputable airline... or at least stats say so
I have experience of doing a journey that I could’ve done on a 737 on a light plane instead, it was travelling up to Edinburgh for the 1991 RWC semi final between Scotland and England, it’s too long ago to remember the exact details of why we took to the small plane but my memory is that we did because we doing it as a favour to a friend of the pilot, what I do remember however is that the flight was totally bloody terrifying and I took the train back home because there was no way I was going back on that plane!0 -
I did a flight in a very small aircraft, a bit smaller than the Piper. My pilot, whom I know well, had seen military and civil flying and although quite a gung-ho type was meticulous about every detail, including wireless protocol. He is the safety officer at his local flying club. He said you can take no chances in a small, single engine aircraft and really I felt pretty secure; in day time, good visibility, nice weather, over countryside it was safer than driving. I know that had it been a long flight in the dark over water he simply wouldn't have taken off. And there's a huge difference in the safety margin between a 737 and a Piper.0
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I guess Sala didn't book the plane himself and by the time you see it you are faced with a choice of missing your first day training at your new club, maybe not being there for planned media engagements for their record signing etc or else crossing your fingers and telling yourself it must be safe or else it wouldn't be legal.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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none of the MFs fly on that little stuff if they can help it - if anything they are noisy, cramped, cold and there are no trolley dollies..........
#wotnopeanuts?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
DeVlaeminck wrote:I guess Sala didn't book the plane himself and by the time you see it you are faced with a choice of missing your first day training at your new club, maybe not being there for planned media engagements for their record signing etc or else crossing your fingers and telling yourself it must be safe or else it wouldn't be legal.
If there are tresponsibilities, these I am sure will be revealed.
As far as we know, this flight wasn't booked by neither of the clubs involved... so who booked it? If he has a manager or PA, surely the latter would have been instructed on what was/wasn't acceptableleft the forum March 20230 -
Arranged by football agent Willie McKay I thinkugo.santalucia wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:I guess Sala didn't book the plane himself and by the time you see it you are faced with a choice of missing your first day training at your new club, maybe not being there for planned media engagements for their record signing etc or else crossing your fingers and telling yourself it must be safe or else it wouldn't be legal.
If there are tresponsibilities, these I am sure will be revealed.
As far as we know, this flight wasn't booked by neither of the clubs involved... so who booked it? If he has a manager or PA, surely the latter would have been instructed on what was/wasn't acceptable0 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:I would certainly not hire a piper plane.
Not sure what you've got against Piper aircraft - no better or worse than any other light aircraft builder like Cessna, Beechcraft, etc. The main thing I would object to would be travelling in a single-engined light aircraft, long distance, over water, at night, in poor weather, and with a pilot whose rating/qualifications for the flight were questionable.0 -
Imposter wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:I would certainly not hire a piper plane.
Not sure what you've got against Piper aircraft - no better or worse than any other light aircraft builder like Cessna, Beechcraft, etc. The main thing I would object to would be travelling in a single-engined light aircraft, long distance, over water, at night, in poor weather, and with a pilot whose rating/qualifications for the flight were questionable.
That's what I mean, a small light aircraft with one engine, flying over water... I wouldn't fly on a Cessna either.
What's the point of earning millions if you then have to put your life at risk for no reason whatsoever, when you could choose to do things safely.
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Wasn't there some whatsapp or text messages that came to light sent by Sala whilst on the fatal flight? I'm sure I saw some transcript a week or so ago with him saying that he felt uneasy in the plane and that it was falling apart . . .Wilier Izoard XP0
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laurentian wrote:Wasn't there some whatsapp or text messages that came to light sent by Sala whilst on the fatal flight? I'm sure I saw some transcript a week or so ago with him saying that he felt uneasy in the plane and that it was falling apart . . .
Audio message from stricken plane - incredibly sad...
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... from-plane0 -
I suspect when told he was going to be flown on a private plane he was envisaging something more along the lines of a Lear jet. Although saying that the transcript posted earlier suggested he knew it was a small plane as he was checking his luggage would be OK.0
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When it comes to footballers' agents, my view is aligned with that of Sir Alex Ferguson... the scum of the earth... people with no talent, no morals, no meaningful qualifications, complete parasites. I wish sport got rid of those moronsleft the forum March 20230
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ugo.santalucia wrote:When it comes to footballers' agents, my view is aligned with that of Sir Alex Ferguson... the scum of the earth... people with no talent, no morals, no meaningful qualifications, complete parasites. I wish sport got rid of those morons
do you have a source for that? as he set up his son as an agent that would seem very hypocritical0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:When it comes to footballers' agents, my view is aligned with that of Sir Alex Ferguson... the scum of the earth... people with no talent, no morals, no meaningful qualifications, complete parasites. I wish sport got rid of those morons
do you have a source for that? as he set up his son as an agent that would seem very hypocritical
He was talking about Pogba's agent... probably the worst out there...left the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:When it comes to footballers' agents, my view is aligned with that of Sir Alex Ferguson... the scum of the earth... people with no talent, no morals, no meaningful qualifications, complete parasites. I wish sport got rid of those morons
do you have a source for that? as he set up his son as an agent that would seem very hypocritical
He was talking about Pogba's agent... probably the worst out there...
there are good and bad ones (and some very bad ones!) but like with anything you only hear of the bad.www.conjunctivitis.com - a site for sore eyes0 -
Chris Bass wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:When it comes to footballers' agents, my view is aligned with that of Sir Alex Ferguson... the scum of the earth... people with no talent, no morals, no meaningful qualifications, complete parasites. I wish sport got rid of those morons
do you have a source for that? as he set up his son as an agent that would seem very hypocritical
He was talking about Pogba's agent... probably the worst out there...
there are good and bad ones (and some very bad ones!) but like with anything you only hear of the bad.
The problem I have is that they have no qualification. If you take Rajola, for instance, who is currently representing a few of the top players, he has no formal qualification.
The way I see a transfer agent, is someone who should understand contracts and should therefore be a qualified lawyer at the very least. I would expect them to be a bit more than just qualified lawyers, seeing the kind of money they deal with.
But half of the times they are not even that...
It's ridiculous, you can't be a solicitor but you can be an agent.... it's a complete farceleft the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:Chris Bass wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:When it comes to footballers' agents, my view is aligned with that of Sir Alex Ferguson... the scum of the earth... people with no talent, no morals, no meaningful qualifications, complete parasites. I wish sport got rid of those morons
do you have a source for that? as he set up his son as an agent that would seem very hypocritical
He was talking about Pogba's agent... probably the worst out there...
there are good and bad ones (and some very bad ones!) but like with anything you only hear of the bad.
The problem I have is that they have no qualification. If you take Rajola, for instance, who is currently representing a few of the top players, he has no formal qualification.
The way I see a transfer agent, is someone who should understand contracts and should therefore be a qualified lawyer at the very least. I would expect them to be a bit more than just qualified lawyers, seeing the kind of money they deal with.
But half of the times they are not even that...
It's ridiculous, you can't be a solicitor but you can be an agent.... it's a complete farce
Pogba's transfer stinks to high heaven. Assuming Juve wanted to sell him, United wanted to buy him and he wanted to move why would they feel the need to pay his agent £41m? As a team of highly paid barristers would struggle to hit £1m it does make you wonder why they overpaid by at least £40m. I can only think it is a tax efficient way of paying Pogba.0 -
It's third party ownership by the backdoor.0
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The lack of regulators, the lack of professional bodies that certify competence and standards, and the general lack of accountability is the very reason football is such a great investment for those who have money to launder.left the forum March 20230
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ugo.santalucia wrote:
The problem I have is that they have no qualification. If you take Rajola, for instance, who is currently representing a few of the top players, he has no formal qualification.
The way I see a transfer agent, is someone who should understand contracts and should therefore be a qualified lawyer at the very least. I would expect them to be a bit more than just qualified lawyers, seeing the kind of money they deal with.
But half of the times they are not even that...
It's ridiculous, you can't be a solicitor but you can be an agent.... it's a complete farce
If you are good at a job that requirements lawyers, you just pay for some lawyers to the legal bits. I dislike the term, but the agents will agree the commercial stuff and the lawyers the legal stuff.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:
The problem I have is that they have no qualification. If you take Rajola, for instance, who is currently representing a few of the top players, he has no formal qualification.
The way I see a transfer agent, is someone who should understand contracts and should therefore be a qualified lawyer at the very least. I would expect them to be a bit more than just qualified lawyers, seeing the kind of money they deal with.
But half of the times they are not even that...
It's ridiculous, you can't be a solicitor but you can be an agent.... it's a complete farce
If you are good at a job that requirements lawyers, you just pay for some lawyers to the legal bits. I dislike the term, but the agents will agree the commercial stuff and the lawyers the legal stuff.
And yet Rajola went on trial for illegal transactions a few years back... surely the lawyers he paid... :roll:left the forum March 20230 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:TheBigBean wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:
The problem I have is that they have no qualification. If you take Rajola, for instance, who is currently representing a few of the top players, he has no formal qualification.
The way I see a transfer agent, is someone who should understand contracts and should therefore be a qualified lawyer at the very least. I would expect them to be a bit more than just qualified lawyers, seeing the kind of money they deal with.
But half of the times they are not even that...
It's ridiculous, you can't be a solicitor but you can be an agent.... it's a complete farce
If you are good at a job that requirements lawyers, you just pay for some lawyers to the legal bits. I dislike the term, but the agents will agree the commercial stuff and the lawyers the legal stuff.
And yet Rajola went on trial for illegal transactions a few years back... surely the lawyers he paid... :roll:
I would imagine he was greedy and arrogant and ignored the legal advice. Plenty of people do that, but I don't know anything about his case.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:TheBigBean wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:
The problem I have is that they have no qualification. If you take Rajola, for instance, who is currently representing a few of the top players, he has no formal qualification.
The way I see a transfer agent, is someone who should understand contracts and should therefore be a qualified lawyer at the very least. I would expect them to be a bit more than just qualified lawyers, seeing the kind of money they deal with.
But half of the times they are not even that...
It's ridiculous, you can't be a solicitor but you can be an agent.... it's a complete farce
If you are good at a job that requirements lawyers, you just pay for some lawyers to the legal bits. I dislike the term, but the agents will agree the commercial stuff and the lawyers the legal stuff.
And yet Rajola went on trial for illegal transactions a few years back... surely the lawyers he paid... :roll:
I would imagine he was greedy and arrogant and ignored the legal advice. Plenty of people do that, but I don't know anything about his case.
Hence the need for a professional body, externally audited, that certify its members... you misbehave, you lose the status and can no longer do your job, like in any other serious profession... from a gas engineer to a chartered solicitor to a brain surgeon.
The problem is that football does not want to take itself seriouslyleft the forum March 20230 -
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ugo.santalucia wrote:
Developments? Pprune forum had all this info pretty much the day after the plane went missing. Congrats to the BBC for finally catching up...0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:ugo.santalucia wrote:When it comes to footballers' agents, my view is aligned with that of Sir Alex Ferguson... the scum of the earth... people with no talent, no morals, no meaningful qualifications, complete parasites. I wish sport got rid of those morons
do you have a source for that? as he set up his son as an agent that would seem very hypocritical
everything that awful creature did and does was either to line his own pockets, insulting or massively hypocritical.
lizard of the worst sort.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
quite a good article on the situation and agents ...
https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... -hard-facePostby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
ugo.santalucia wrote:
Wow that’s appalling. So Cardiff pay millions for a player, who is then put on an old single engined plane (built in 1984) for a flight that includes 100 miles over open sea, and flown by an amateur pilot who has county court judgements against him amounting to thousands. And the reason he was flying was not for payment, but to keep his flying hours up. Yeah ok.
Parasites and cheating everywhere - “The beautiful game” never ceases to amaze me.0 -
cardiff didn't arrange it - mackay did.
macky is the man who said in his email that he is only in it for money.
so, possible likely story:
cardiff pay mackay £10k to arrange transport of player. cardiff believe that mackay will arrange commercial charter.
mackay being the alleged money grabber he is allegedly takes £7k for his own pocket, chucks plane dude £3k
plane dude takes £2k, pays for ibbotson's hotel out of £1k.
Ibbotson, like most private pilots, takes job for flying hours.everyone does this - its common practice.
sala is just stuck in the middle.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0
