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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    This whole thing hasn't advanced anything since the hearing started, other than the MPTS think that Shane Sutton is a credible witness.
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  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    At the risk of being Shaneist, has there ever been any person - or band - called Shane who's not been iffy?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    ocdupalais said:

    At the risk of being Shaneist, has there ever been any person - or band - called Shane who's not been iffy?


    Warne - No
    MacGowan - No

    What about the Shane from the film Shane?
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,490
    RichN95. said:

    ocdupalais said:

    At the risk of being Shaneist, has there ever been any person - or band - called Shane who's not been iffy?


    Warne - No
    MacGowan - No

    What about the Shane from the film Shane?
    Dunno.
    It's a rum deal when the main actor has to stand on an out of shot box.
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  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,711
    Shane Gould perhaps?

    Although probably iffy being a woman named Shane to start with!
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    RichN95. said:

    ocdupalais said:

    At the risk of being Shaneist, has there ever been any person - or band - called Shane who's not been iffy?


    Warne - No
    MacGowan - No

    What about the Shane from the film Shane?
    He's usually described as an anti-hero so probably no.
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    Starting to look like a Wiggins / Sutton spat by proxy.

  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Matt Rendall being chased off twitter by his so called fans who are angry that he has not reported on the case.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    yorkshireraw said:

    Starting to look like a Wiggins / Sutton spat by proxy.


    It's very much a Sutton/Freeman spat
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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,798
    Good to see JTL offering a reasoned impartial take on it :)
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  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    RichN95. said:

    yorkshireraw said:

    Starting to look like a Wiggins / Sutton spat by proxy.


    It's very much a Sutton/Freeman spat
    Wiggins is narked though because Sutton leaked the jiffy bag story isn't he?
    In return Wiggins wants the 'thorough investigation' because he knows / thinks it will show Sutton was involved in the testogel order, despite what the tribunal said?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    yorkshireraw said:

    RichN95. said:

    yorkshireraw said:

    Starting to look like a Wiggins / Sutton spat by proxy.


    It's very much a Sutton/Freeman spat
    Wiggins is narked though because Sutton leaked the jiffy bag story isn't he?
    In return Wiggins wants the 'thorough investigation' because he knows / thinks it will show Sutton was involved in the testogel order, despite what the tribunal said?

    Quite possibly, but I think Sutton's target for leaking the jiffy bag stuff was Freeman. I imagine he leaked the testogel stuff as well.
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  • RichN95.
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    carbonclem said:

    Good to see JTL offering a reasoned impartial take on it :)


    This doesn't happen in other journalism. For example if Newsnight want to talk about the abuse of women they don't invite Rolf Harris on.
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  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    edited March 2021
    carbonclem said:

    Good to see JTL offering a reasoned impartial take on it :)

    Slight problem with that article in that JTl wasn't part of the GB team at the 2013 WCs.

    Maybe his memory is a bit hazy and it was 2012, when he had his huge 'hangover'.

    This quote is hilarious

    "This isn’t really about my own case or me having an axe to grind. I got no help whatsoever but at the same time there was all this shady shit going on and these guys get knighthoods."
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    RichN95. said:

    carbonclem said:

    Good to see JTL offering a reasoned impartial take on it :)


    This doesn't happen in other journalism. For example if Newsnight want to talk about the abuse of women they don't invite Rolf Harris on.
    I was thinking they'd have a job as I thought for sure he was dead, but apparently not.

    Your point is spot on of course.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    Ok, help me. JTL?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Jonathon Tiernan Locke

    ?Teernan Lock

    ?Tearnan Loc

    I don't recall...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    Oh yeah, small bell dingling in the back of my mind. That fella...
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Very much so, and also worth pointing out by far the most bitter and twisted of all the ex-Sky riders and still not saying he was doped...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    I can't quite bring myself to read the interview. Does he say he knows or saw that doping was going on?
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    I havent seen the interview either, but if he said something along the lines of, "Dave held me down and force-fed me EPO" I think it would be a bigger story.

    As said above, he has literally nothing other than a similar jersey design to do with this case...
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Read the interview - nothing much in it other than innuendo and 'I've no axe to grind, I don't really care' repeatedly.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    I'm assuming it's Cycling news...?
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Yep, and par for the course for them
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Wow, yeah...

    That's really a whole lot of nothing. I hope they gave JTL a blooming big cheque for it.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • redvision
    redvision Posts: 2,958
    Jim White just spoke with David Walsh on talksport. Really interesting discussion. Walsh pointing the finger at DB for much of this.

    Not a long interview but worth a listen
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    So what have we got then?

    Scenario 1:
    Freeman ordered Testogel through BC in error for a BC/Sky program, but all other stuff went through the back door. Wiggins, Gold Factory et al was all built on a sytematic program

    Scenario 2:
    Freeman ordered Testogel for an individual rider or two, got caught out and shat himself, tried to cover it up

    Scenario 3:
    Shane Sutton coerced Freeman into ordering it for himself, as per Freeman's GMC defence

    Scenario 4 (just a hypothesis of mine):
    Freeman ordered the Testogel for someone on the outside, others at BC started shitting bricks seeing this come through the front door hence the cover-up, and then he tried to throw Sutton under the bus as a cover for the GMC hearing

    Where's your money?
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,025
    Another option. Sutton persuaded Freemen to order Testogel for some riders. Someone who shouldn't have done opened the box. Freeman ended up on the naughty step. Eventually his career was on the line, so he asked Sutton to 'fess up. Sutton was not interested, so Freeman went with the erectile dysfunction option to get back at Sutton and present a plausible case.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    TheBigBean said:

    Another option. Sutton persuaded Freemen to order Testogel for some riders. Someone who shouldn't have done opened the box. Freeman ended up on the naughty step. Eventually his career was on the line, so he asked Sutton to 'fess up. Sutton was not interested, so Freeman went with the erectile dysfunction option to get back at Sutton and present a plausible case.

    I'd buy that
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Any of them sound fairly plausible to me.

    Although I'm struggling a little bit to buy into a Sky and GB-wide doping program at the moment just for the same reason as many other conspiracy theories - so many people would need to be involved it seems improbable to me that it would stay quiet. In the ~10 years since someone would surely have spoken out, but this and the jiffy bag thing are all we currently have (which both sound pretty dodgy tbf, but not really on that scale).

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