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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Tbh it’s all pretty irrelevant if it won’t be enforced.

    Amateur breeders will just find another angry breed that is allowed and carry on.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,630
    It would be better to make a law that dogs need to be kept on a lead in public places unless specifically allowed off. I’m sure the vast majority of dogs were kept on leads when I was growing up and there were far fewer then.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,539
    Pross said:

    It would be better to make a law that dogs need to be kept on a lead in public places unless specifically allowed off. I’m sure the vast majority of dogs were kept on leads when I was growing up and there were far fewer then.

    This. Although even though there are places with signposted instructions they are not adhered to, far less enforced. Some selfish entitled owners imo.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,837

    Pross said:

    webboo said:

    Why should dogs be any different from other animals I.e. humans. It’s all about upbringing or how well you have been taught to be a social animal.

    Isn’t this the guns don’t people rappers do argument?
    Not really, guns are inanimate objects.
    Sure. But the “it’s not the guns, it’s the people who wield them” is the same argument as “it’s not the breed, it’s the owners”
    I'm not sure you can bring up something so inbred to be well behaved around people, but any large dog carries some risk.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,837
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    It would be better to make a law that dogs need to be kept on a lead in public places unless specifically allowed off. I’m sure the vast majority of dogs were kept on leads when I was growing up and there were far fewer then.

    This. Although even though there are places with signposted instructions they are not adhered to, far less enforced. Some selfish entitled owners imo.
    If burglary and shoplifting are unpoliced I think we can rule out dog leads.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,539
    rjsterry said:

    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    It would be better to make a law that dogs need to be kept on a lead in public places unless specifically allowed off. I’m sure the vast majority of dogs were kept on leads when I was growing up and there were far fewer then.

    This. Although even though there are places with signposted instructions they are not adhered to, far less enforced. Some selfish entitled owners imo.
    If burglary and shoplifting are unpoliced I think we can rule out dog leads.
    Precisely.
    It's all posturing and being seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,539
    Stop the boats.
    Stop the dogs.
    Stop the...
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    pblakeney said:

    Pross said:

    It would be better to make a law that dogs need to be kept on a lead in public places unless specifically allowed off. I’m sure the vast majority of dogs were kept on leads when I was growing up and there were far fewer then.

    This. Although even though there are places with signposted instructions they are not adhered to, far less enforced. Some selfish entitled owners imo.
    Many a row I have had in a park that is literally next to a small children playground.

    Though I think these really violent dogs are hard to keep on a lead when they’re really going for it
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,158
    edited September 2023
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    This place often makes me question myself so occasionally spotting people who think the same make me feel less mad.
  • England or BR?
  • This place often makes me question myself so occasionally spotting people who think the same make me feel less mad.
    It sounds to me as she misses her home Country/friends as she's endlessly tweeting about the UK. The couple of tweets you posted support your bias but do all of them (the general life reality)?

    The Netherlands will have it's own issues with rising sea levels.

    I've already mentioned several time you blamed the Tories for austerity and the degradation that caused, but forgot Nick Clegg (Liberal coalition PM) signed up for it too. The Tories spent £500,000,000,000 during COVID on social support, they couldn't have been more left wing. Where does that money come from who picks up the tab?
  • To me all the political parties would be as good/bad as each other.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,539

    To me all the political parties would be as good/bad as each other.

    I'd agree at a party level but some individuals are demonstrably much worse than others.
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  • You don't have to travel that widely to get that sense of the UK. I remember it distinctly 20+ years ago when coming back home from Canada.

    We are a grubby littering bunch, to be frank.

    The flip side is that my experience is that a lot of other places are comparatively sterile. Seems to me that the British hang on to the old *everywhere*, whereas in the suburbs of places like the Hague or Munich are on the whole covered in newer buildings.

    Perhaps it is what we build out of that gives a sense of permanence, I don't know. I get a similar sense in the outskirts of a lot of the east coast US cities I've visited. Architecturally more interesting, but a bit dingy.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,867



    This place often makes me question myself so occasionally spotting people who think the same make me feel less mad.

    Sounds like we're doing a good job then?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,616

    You don't have to travel that widely to get that sense of the UK. I remember it distinctly 20+ years ago when coming back home from Canada.

    We are a grubby littering bunch, to be frank.

    The flip side is that my experience is that a lot of other places are comparatively sterile. Seems to me that the British hang on to the old *everywhere*, whereas in the suburbs of places like the Hague or Munich are on the whole covered in newer buildings.

    Perhaps it is what we build out of that gives a sense of permanence, I don't know. I get a similar sense in the outskirts of a lot of the east coast US cities I've visited. Architecturally more interesting, but a bit dingy.

    Might it to be to do with many European cities having been flattened during WW2 and then rebuilt at a low in architectural style.
  • You don't have to travel that widely to get that sense of the UK. I remember it distinctly 20+ years ago when coming back home from Canada.

    We are a grubby littering bunch, to be frank.

    The flip side is that my experience is that a lot of other places are comparatively sterile. Seems to me that the British hang on to the old *everywhere*, whereas in the suburbs of places like the Hague or Munich are on the whole covered in newer buildings.

    Perhaps it is what we build out of that gives a sense of permanence, I don't know. I get a similar sense in the outskirts of a lot of the east coast US cities I've visited. Architecturally more interesting, but a bit dingy.

    Might it to be to do with many European cities having been flattened during WW2 and then rebuilt at a low in architectural style.
    Well one of the cities I had in mind was Munich...

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,837

    You don't have to travel that widely to get that sense of the UK. I remember it distinctly 20+ years ago when coming back home from Canada.

    We are a grubby littering bunch, to be frank.

    The flip side is that my experience is that a lot of other places are comparatively sterile. Seems to me that the British hang on to the old *everywhere*, whereas in the suburbs of places like the Hague or Munich are on the whole covered in newer buildings.

    Perhaps it is what we build out of that gives a sense of permanence, I don't know. I get a similar sense in the outskirts of a lot of the east coast US cities I've visited. Architecturally more interesting, but a bit dingy.

    Might it to be to do with many European cities having been flattened during WW2 and then rebuilt at a low in architectural style.
    Think it's just that FA has more conservative tastes.
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Beginning to think there might be some credibility to the idea Tories are just laying policy bombs they are set to blow up during Labour’s watch in the next 5 years
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,867

    Beginning to think there might be some credibility to the idea Tories are just laying policy bombs they are set to blow up during Labour’s watch in the next 5 years

    Labour set the trend back in 2010 by raising the top rate of income income tax to 50% shortly before they got the boot.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,630
    Stevo_666 said:

    Beginning to think there might be some credibility to the idea Tories are just laying policy bombs they are set to blow up during Labour’s watch in the next 5 years

    Labour set the trend back in 2010 by raising the top rate of income income tax to 50% shortly before they got the boot.
    Surely that’s the opposite of a bomb? Very easy to reverse and make your base support happy.
  • rjsterry said:

    You don't have to travel that widely to get that sense of the UK. I remember it distinctly 20+ years ago when coming back home from Canada.

    We are a grubby littering bunch, to be frank.

    The flip side is that my experience is that a lot of other places are comparatively sterile. Seems to me that the British hang on to the old *everywhere*, whereas in the suburbs of places like the Hague or Munich are on the whole covered in newer buildings.

    Perhaps it is what we build out of that gives a sense of permanence, I don't know. I get a similar sense in the outskirts of a lot of the east coast US cities I've visited. Architecturally more interesting, but a bit dingy.

    Might it to be to do with many European cities having been flattened during WW2 and then rebuilt at a low in architectural style.
    Think it's just that FA has more conservative tastes.
    You misunderstand. I very much like some modern architecture - just not the Barbican. What I'm referring to are large areas around cities that have been refreshed at some point in living memory, whereas a lot of the UK has developed more organically. So on the one hand I'm embarrassed by how tatty and shambolic the UK feels, there is something to be said for the blend with the old that we have here. As compared to urban landscapes where every structure is less than a century old and where the layout and connectivity has been designed.

    I like my analogies. So an analogy is our football or cricket grounds. We tend to build them stand by stand, often around what used to be unexceptional Archibald Leitch terraces that have been listed. They are lopsided with leaky roofs between stands decades apart in age with different pitches and numbers of tiers. Most other places seem to knock old stadiums down and start again, creating objectively more pleasing uniform bowls with better sight lines and more facilities.

    Which have the best atmosphere?

    Wonder about the boarded up high street situation though. That's supply and demand at play. Not sure if there's a difference in Europe on uptake of online retail. It is generally harder to get around and to the UK shops, because of the crappy public transport?
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,539


    ...
    Wonder about the boarded up high street situation though. That's supply and demand at play. Not sure if there's a difference in Europe on uptake of online retail. It is generally harder to get around and to the UK shops, because of the crappy public transport?

    I think lots of things are at play. Internet shopping, home delivery and lowest cost buying.
    Are they as prevalent abroad? Go to a market abroad and it is busy. Go to a market here and it may be busy but mostly with people saying "That's overpriced." and walking on.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,867
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Beginning to think there might be some credibility to the idea Tories are just laying policy bombs they are set to blow up during Labour’s watch in the next 5 years

    Labour set the trend back in 2010 by raising the top rate of income income tax to 50% shortly before they got the boot.
    Surely that’s the opposite of a bomb? Very easy to reverse and make your base support happy.
    The Labour trap was that they would shout 'look at the nasty Tories, cutting taxes for the rich'. This was also against a backdrop of the GFC.

    If they really wanted to do it as a matter of policy they had the previous 13 years, but chose April 2010 to do so, by which time they must have known they were on their way.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,867
    edited September 2023

    Beginning to think there might be some credibility to the idea Tories are just laying policy bombs they are set to blow up during Labour’s watch in the next 5 years

    Also Labour have set a trap for themselves by claiming that everything is broken and needs fixing but making out that they will not increase taxes to help fix things.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Beginning to think there might be some credibility to the idea Tories are just laying policy bombs they are set to blow up during Labour’s watch in the next 5 years

    Labour set the trend back in 2010 by raising the top rate of income income tax to 50% shortly before they got the boot.
    IIRC, all but the most hardened anti-Tories accepted that putting up the higher rate tax circa 30 days before leaving power, having left it unchanged for the previous 13 years was just a bit too obviously cynical “playing politics”.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,867

    Stevo_666 said:

    Beginning to think there might be some credibility to the idea Tories are just laying policy bombs they are set to blow up during Labour’s watch in the next 5 years

    Labour set the trend back in 2010 by raising the top rate of income income tax to 50% shortly before they got the boot.
    IIRC, all but the most hardened anti-Tories accepted that putting up the higher rate tax circa 30 days before leaving power, having left it unchanged for the previous 13 years was just a bit too obviously cynical “playing politics”.

    Let's see who on here claims otherwise. Not that I'm setting a trap or anything.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]