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  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,350

    Stevo_666 said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    It's a rather disingenuous list above once you line them all up together:

    https://data.oecd.org/pension/net-pension-replacement-rates.htm < UK is below the EU 27 average (Netherlands is a whopping 89%).

    It's a tool economists sometimes use to evaluate how generous or not the pension is.

    I'm probably being dense here, but I still can't pin down your precise point. Can you just spell it out, please? Thanks!
    No real point, just worth looking at how generous or not the UK is to its retired versus other similar countries.

    Is theirs any more sustainable than ours?

    France's isn't, I know that much.
    And there is the key point.

    Also is Rick saying that he hates Dutch Boomers even more than UK ones?
    Anyone older than RC = "boomer"
    As a Gen X'er I'm offended, getting lumped in with all those old f@rts.
    Amongst the spotty strange haired proto-yoofs of today, anyone older than about 25 is a "boomer". It is a catch all pejorative.

    Can't wait for RC to get called that when he first struggles with an app or somesuch.
    the young are so old these days, age is a state of mind not of years
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  • Longevity has increased steadily through history. Life expectancy at birth was a brief 25 years during the Roman Empire, it reached 33 years by the Middle Ages and raised up to 55 years in the early 1900s.
    https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/34/6/1435/707557#:~:text=Longevity has increased steadily through,years in the early 1900s.
    So relatively to the existence of Humanity, pushing early thirties you're old.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    edited September 2023
    So the plan that Labour are currently proposing to deal with cross Channel migration and the Conservatives are slagging them off for, is essentially the same as the one the Conservatives were negotiating until very recently.

    Guess who is shouting about this the most: Billy Bullsh*t Jenrick of course.

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  • Why, because of how they are doing it, or because its Dominic Raab?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited September 2023

    Why, because of how they are doing it, or because its Dominic Raab?

    A) you don't leak CVs to journalists ( i doubt Raab willingly shared his CV with the FT)

    B ) you don't punt people around with terrible references, or who have bullying problems.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I have often used Raab as an example of why you should evaluate a candidate on their competencies, and not on their CV.

    The CV should be evidence for the competency, not the other way around.
  • Why, because of how they are doing it, or because its Dominic Raab?

    A) you don't leak CVs to journalists ( i doubt Raab willingly shared his CV with the FT)
    Could be someone at the prospective employer. I guess it's pretty dull in Corporate HR, and Raab's CV landing in your inbox might be the most gossip-worthy event in a long time.

    As an aside, it was a bit sad to read in the FT article that Raab had highlighted that he was the only person to have been Deputy PM to two PMs. That's pub quiz fodder rather than anything particularly noteworthy. In fact, given the lack of status attached to the role, it might be considered a negative that two PMs thought he was the ideal person to be shunted into the ultimate "non job".

  • I have often used Raab as an example of why you should evaluate a candidate on their competencies, and not on their CV.

    The CV should be evidence for the competency, not the other way around.

    Mmm. Interesting judgement on the morals of finding Raab a position.

    If you've been instructed by someone to find a position for them, don't you have to just swallow the vomit and get on with it?

    Not clear if it is the headhunters who have shared the CV. Could be one of the people who have been approached.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    I have often used Raab as an example of why you should evaluate a candidate on their competencies, and not on their CV.

    The CV should be evidence for the competency, not the other way around.

    Mmm. Interesting judgement on the morals of finding Raab a position.

    If you've been instructed by someone to find a position for them, don't you have to just swallow the vomit and get on with it?
    .

    The whole point is you have an informed view on if the candidates are appropriate for the job or not.

    In general, people who have been sacked for bullying rarely make the shortlist.



  • I have often used Raab as an example of why you should evaluate a candidate on their competencies, and not on their CV.

    The CV should be evidence for the competency, not the other way around.

    Mmm. Interesting judgement on the morals of finding Raab a position.

    If you've been instructed by someone to find a position for them, don't you have to just swallow the vomit and get on with it?
    .

    The whole point is you have an informed view on if the candidates are appropriate for the job or not.

    In general, people who have been sacked for bullying rarely make the shortlist.



    I'm being cynical here, but someone who's prepared to "tell it how it is" to Civil Servants might actually be quite attractive as a recruit in certain parts of the private sector.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    I've often wondered what actual advice former ministers give various investment funds and what have you. Are they really providing useful information on what was government policy three years ago or are they just an expensive painting in the foyer - a bit of a flex to their competitors?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    I have often used Raab as an example of why you should evaluate a candidate on their competencies, and not on their CV.

    The CV should be evidence for the competency, not the other way around.

    Mmm. Interesting judgement on the morals of finding Raab a position.

    If you've been instructed by someone to find a position for them, don't you have to just swallow the vomit and get on with it?
    .

    The whole point is you have an informed view on if the candidates are appropriate for the job or not.

    In general, people who have been sacked for bullying rarely make the shortlist.



    I'm being cynical here, but someone who's prepared to "tell it how it is" to Civil Servants might actually be quite attractive as a recruit in certain parts of the private sector.
    Sure. That’s what’s so nice about the City. There’s a job there suited for anyone if you look hard enough.

    I’d probably keep a low profile about working with him though, given his material track record of failure, being sacked for bullying and lacking in good judgement.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited September 2023
    rjsterry said:

    I've often wondered what actual advice former ministers give various investment funds and what have you. Are they really providing useful information on what was government policy three years ago or are they just an expensive painting in the foyer - a bit of a flex to their competitors?

    Depends. Chuka at JP does a very specific role which makes sense in context.

    Guys like Osbourne with BlackRock is really just a mixture of being a lobbying expert and a direct link to lawmakers. BlackRock and JP like links to government - helps shape the regulation as it comes in.

    If they’re in sales jobs they’re just there to be shmooze and not do much but tell stories but those roles are being phased out.

    May’s husband is actually a senior salesperson at Capital. Lovely guy
  • Jesus Christ.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Good to see the policy of the media setting policy continuing.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    ddraver said:
    Hmmm. It's like people have forgotten the last time we all did this in almost identical circumstances (only without Twitter). Does anyone think out of control dogs with stupid owners will stop attacking people and livestock because of this?

    As a side note this breed is apparently so inbred that they'll die out of their own accord before long.

    Euthanase the lot of them by all means but it won't stop this happening. Staffies have killed quite a few and everyone thinks they make great family pets.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    Wonder what the next "in" breed will be.
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  • pblakeney said:

    Wonder what the next "in" breed will be.

    Caerbannog rabbits.
  • rjsterry said:

    ddraver said:
    Hmmm. It's like people have forgotten the last time we all did this in almost identical circumstances (only without Twitter). Does anyone think out of control dogs with stupid owners will stop attacking people and livestock because of this?

    As a side note this breed is apparently so inbred that they'll die out of their own accord before long.

    Euthanase the lot of them by all means but it won't stop this happening. Staffies have killed quite a few and everyone thinks they make great family pets.
    My wife is a vet and states with no sense of irony that sattifes do make great family pets - violent ones are a product of their upbringing. Dogs like Labradors and Retreivers are more likely to do something unpredictable. Springer spaniels she rates above all others.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555

    rjsterry said:

    ddraver said:
    Hmmm. It's like people have forgotten the last time we all did this in almost identical circumstances (only without Twitter). Does anyone think out of control dogs with stupid owners will stop attacking people and livestock because of this?

    As a side note this breed is apparently so inbred that they'll die out of their own accord before long.

    Euthanase the lot of them by all means but it won't stop this happening. Staffies have killed quite a few and everyone thinks they make great family pets.
    My wife is a vet and states with no sense of irony that sattifes do make great family pets - violent ones are a product of their upbringing. Dogs like Labradors and Retreivers are more likely to do something unpredictable. Springer spaniels she rates above all others.
    Yes, that was my point. They do make good pets but are still strongly represented in the statistics.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    rjsterry said:

    ddraver said:
    Hmmm. It's like people have forgotten the last time we all did this in almost identical circumstances (only without Twitter). Does anyone think out of control dogs with stupid owners will stop attacking people and livestock because of this?

    As a side note this breed is apparently so inbred that they'll die out of their own accord before long.

    Euthanase the lot of them by all means but it won't stop this happening. Staffies have killed quite a few and everyone thinks they make great family pets.
    My wife is a vet and states with no sense of irony that sattifes do make great family pets - violent ones are a product of their upbringing. Dogs like Labradors and Retreivers are more likely to do something unpredictable. Springer spaniels she rates above all others.
    When I took my (highly reactive to other dogs) German Shepherd to the vet for an op last year the nurse thanked me when I picked him up as he had been so gentle he gave her back her confidence after being badly bitten by a collie a few weeks earlier. However, out in the street I’ve had people cross the road for no reason when they see him.

    Our Staffie was very gentle too, the one dog I’ve had that I didn’t trust and had to get someone to take off me when my first daughter was born was an innocuous looking collie / spaniel cross.
  • Staffies can attract the wrong sort of human I’m afraid. But the XLs are apparently inbred with a screw loose.

    Kier Starmer’s to blame I expect.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    Why should dogs be any different from other animals I.e. humans. It’s all about upbringing or how well you have been taught to be a social animal.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    webboo said:

    Why should dogs be any different from other animals I.e. humans. It’s all about upbringing or how well you have been taught to be a social animal.

    Isn’t this the guns don’t people rappers do argument?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    webboo said:

    Why should dogs be any different from other animals I.e. humans. It’s all about upbringing or how well you have been taught to be a social animal.

    Isn’t this the guns don’t people rappers do argument?
    Not really, guns are inanimate objects.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pross said:

    webboo said:

    Why should dogs be any different from other animals I.e. humans. It’s all about upbringing or how well you have been taught to be a social animal.

    Isn’t this the guns don’t people rappers do argument?
    Not really, guns are inanimate objects.
    Sure. But the “it’s not the guns, it’s the people who wield them” is the same argument as “it’s not the breed, it’s the owners”
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    Pross said:

    webboo said:

    Why should dogs be any different from other animals I.e. humans. It’s all about upbringing or how well you have been taught to be a social animal.

    Isn’t this the guns don’t people rappers do argument?
    Not really, guns are inanimate objects.
    Sure. But the “it’s not the guns, it’s the people who wield them” is the same argument as “it’s not the breed, it’s the owners”
    I think the difference is that a gun’s purpose is to be fired. Not many people own a dog (of any breed) with the intent of using it for harm, incidents are usually down to negligence / irresponsibility rather than being deliberate and with time and effort (and probably money for professional help) most dogs can be sorted out. Dogs have positive uses, not just as assistant dogs or in working roles but as companions.

    I’m not a fan of dogs as fashion items and think as a rule that goes with irresponsible ownership and don’t really know anything about XL Bullies but in the passed there have been numerous breeds that have been demonised following a few attacks (I remember Rottweilers being in the firing line back in the 80s).