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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,415
    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Birmingham city council declaring its budget cannot be financed so has issued a section 114 notice (banning all new spending except for vulnerable people, statutory services and pre existing commitments)

    surely this should be in the Labour thread
    I do think it is cynical politics to put the major councils under pressure via cutting funding and then blaming the incumbent labour council when one inevitably fails.
    so this illegal problem of their own making had been rumbling on since 2012 and yet in 2017 they bid for the second most expensive sporting occasion in UK history.

    and yet it is the fault of the Tories.

    I have said it before and I will say it again that there has to be stronger governance and individual repercussions for negligence (at best) in local govt.

    We treat these organisations like the village fete yet they are running up debts of billions
    You have to remember that you are only allowed to blame anything on one or more of the following three things in this forum:
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    2. Bwexit
    3. Wiggle.
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    Fits in the list better than CRC :smile:
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    Jezyboy said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Again, she has to know what she's doing here.

    When is the night of the long knives? Before, or after, the next election?

    There's really nothing to gain by moving before the election.
    Having PM, rather than leader of the opposition on the CV
    Not sure that's quite the badge of honour it once was.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    rjsterry said:

    Jezyboy said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Again, she has to know what she's doing here.

    When is the night of the long knives? Before, or after, the next election?

    There's really nothing to gain by moving before the election.
    Having PM, rather than leader of the opposition on the CV
    Not sure that's quite the badge of honour it once was.
    Whose turn is it next year?
    Becoming an almost annual event.
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  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    surrey_commuter said:

    MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:

    Claimed benefits of sporting events is a bugbear of mine as I can not believe the best way to spend money in Sandwell was to build an intl class aquatics centre.

    Likewise a new station could have been built in Perry Barr and many other places with the money spent on building facilities for a one off event


    Fair points but I would respectfully disagree. Perry Barr station was only regenerated because of the games as it was the main link to Alexander Stadium, the CG was the main catalyst in this instance.

    I do agree in the main with sporting legacies, but you have to look at context. With the amount of investment in Sandwell for the CG, you were not going to tackle poverty or structural inequality. I know a few people that way and my friend is a Head of a Primary school where 25% oh his pupils live in poverty. They swim there every week. If you are a 6 year old in abject poverty with little positive to look forward to, I suspect that 3hrs a week makes a huge difference to you.

    I also suspect it plays a larger role in better health and wellbeing outcomes for the community as a whole. Yes, the money could have gone elsewhere, but leaving a community hub that improves the quality of life for many local residents is a good thing IMO.
    My utopian argument is that instead of CG, you would just build the new station.

    I am no expert but there must be better ways of regenerating an area than digging a swimming pool.

    I obviously know more about London and see the regeneration of Stratford could have been done by extening the tube and cleaning the land. There was no need to spend £1bn building West Ham a new stadium
    That’s how it should work but unfortunately the chance of any serious infrastructure being built in the Midlands or the North without something like the CG’s is massively unlikely.

    Now that EU funding will stop this will only get worse.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    rjsterry said:

    Jezyboy said:

    rjsterry said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Again, she has to know what she's doing here.

    When is the night of the long knives? Before, or after, the next election?

    There's really nothing to gain by moving before the election.
    Having PM, rather than leader of the opposition on the CV
    Not sure that's quite the badge of honour it once was.
    Meh it'll always be one up from opposition leader.

    I don't think Penny would be the person to turn the ship around once they are in opposition either, so now would be her best chance.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Shameful stuff.



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  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    tailwindhome said:

    Shameful stuff.



    Birmingham pub bombings: Relatives 'horrified' at passing of Legacy Bill https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66734476
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    Another bye election coming up. Pincher is resigning as MP.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    rjsterry said:

    Another bye election coming up. Pincher is resigning as MP.

    To take up a new role for Del Monte in quality control.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    edited September 2023
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    The RAAC Crisis has got plenty of life left in it. Sunak claiming things will be in place in days and weeks suggests he is either hopelessly optimistic or has never been involved in construction projects.

    As an example from last night, a secondary school in Haringey that had been on it since March had only just got their temporary classrooms completed and hadn't even started the process of working out how to reinforce or replace the affected roof.

    Then there's all the other public buildings, social housing. Bizarrely the Guardian is talking about a figure of £150m which seems laughably small.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,361
    rjsterry said:

    The RAAC Crisis has got plenty of life left in it. Sunak claiming things will be in place in days and weeks suggests he is either hopelessly optimistic or has never been involved in construction projects.

    As an example from last night, a secondary school in Haringey that had been on it since March had only just got their temporary classrooms completed and hadn't even started the process of working out how to reinforce or replace the affected roof.

    Then there's all the other public buildings, social housing. Bizarrely the Guardian is talking about a figure of £150m which seems laughably small.


    Boosterism learnt from Johnson. Like his 'Five pledges', his words mean nothing... it's just a performance now, and not convincing in the least. I'll just go with Penny Mordaunt's face to tell me how much they believe him.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Have the Tories released a graphic that says "most prisoners haven't escaped" yet?
    _
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    rjsterry said:

    Another bye election coming up. Pincher is resigning as MP.

    Can they lose that one? Another pretty much 20,000 majority at the last election.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    kingstongraham said:

    rjsterry said:

    Another bye election coming up. Pincher is resigning as MP.

    Can they lose that one? Another pretty much 20,000 majority at the last election.
    Will be interesting to see.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,361
    rick_chasey said:

    Have the Tories released a graphic that says "most prisoners haven't escaped" yet?


    Labour has done some good trolling tweets.



    It's extraordinary how the Tories' comms team didn't see the meme-ing opportunity that their 'boast' opened up. But then I suppose incompetency is on-brand for them now.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    kingstongraham said:

    rjsterry said:

    Another bye election coming up. Pincher is resigning as MP.

    Can they lose that one? Another pretty much 20,000 majority at the last election.
    It's Tamworth so they'll probably campaign on the Birmingham ULEZ as it seems they think this is now the Holy Grail for winning elections.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,361
    kingstongraham said:

    rjsterry said:

    Another bye election coming up. Pincher is resigning as MP.

    Can they lose that one? Another pretty much 20,000 majority at the last election.

    Is there a(n) ULEZ proposed for Tamworth, or maybe an illegal migrant boat port proposed by Labour for there?
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    edited September 2023
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    briantrumpet said:

    kingstongraham said:

    rjsterry said:

    Another bye election coming up. Pincher is resigning as MP.

    Can they lose that one? Another pretty much 20,000 majority at the last election.

    Is there a(n) ULEZ proposed for Tamworth, or maybe an illegal migrant boat port proposed by Labour for there?
    "Most pigs haven't escaped"
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Most Tory MPs haven't resigned.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    Looks like Woking is the next local authority teetering on the edge of insolvency
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rjsterry said:

    Looks like Woking is the next local authority teetering on the edge of insolvency

    Leftie liberals for you, spending beyond their means (thought I’d get in first).
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Maybe the Tories deliberately lost it after their property investments went tits up. I wonder how much of the ‘investment’ went to companies owned by major Party donors?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,555
    It's a dilemma. On the one hand, if the local authority can't take a leadership role in the overall viability of their constituency then who can? But local councillors really are not qualified to be property developers or investors.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,361
    Pross said:

    Maybe the Tories deliberately lost it after their property investments went tits up. I wonder how much of the ‘investment’ went to companies owned by major Party donors?


    I can't think for the life of me how you could be so cynical about Tory policy decisions.
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    As ever, read Private Eye, get depressed about 'kin corrupt UK politics from 'top' 🤔 all the way down. ATFC.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    rjsterry said:

    Looks like Woking is the next local authority teetering on the edge of insolvency

    Go Woking. Go Broking.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    tailwindhome said:

    rjsterry said:

    Looks like Woking is the next local authority teetering on the edge of insolvency

    Go Woking. Go Broking.
    At least their big investments are real and are actually in Woking, not like Thurrock's insanity.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,361
    orraloon said:

    As ever, read Private Eye, get depressed about 'kin corrupt UK politics from 'top' 🤔 all the way down. ATFC.


    Yup. Rotten Boroughs depressingly well populated every fortnight with incompetence and corruption from all quarters. If it's not backhanders or inside jobs on planning, it's councillors thinking that they are skilled property developers, or chief executives travelling around the country with golden hellos and golden goodbyes having done shoddy work in each brief stopover.

    Still think that PE is one of the most important organs for keeping an eye on this sort of stuff, and is worth the subscription for the oversight they provide.
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