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Sure. Just responding to John's 'you townies couldn't possibly understand'. A3/M25 gridlocks seem to be ten a penny anyway.surrey_commuter said:
yep forming a roadblock on the A3 to have a trotting race is something that nobody could deem to be anti-social behaviourrjsterry said:
I live in a city. The local traveller site is less than two miles away and I see them exercising their horses on the road fairly frequently.john80 said:
If you are a farmer that has been burgled 4 times in the last 5 years with thousands of pounds of farm equipment stolen and had to build a fort within your yard then probably yes. If you live in a city in an apartment and your experience of Gypsies is watching Tyson Fury box on TV then probably not. Perspective is everything as they say.ballysmate said:
Do you think that distrust is warranted based on real life experiences ?Pross said:Let's face it persecution and distrust of gypsies and other travelling people is hardly a new thing.
NB: for those not familiar with it the A3 out by the M25 has 3 lanes so to all intents and purposes is a motorway.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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no idea how often but frequent enough that it is not news worthyshirley_basso said:
How often does this actually happen?surrey_commuter said:
yep forming a roadblock on the A3 to have a trotting race is something that nobody could deem to be anti-social behaviourrjsterry said:
I live in a city. The local traveller site is less than two miles away and I see them exercising their horses on the road fairly frequently.john80 said:
If you are a farmer that has been burgled 4 times in the last 5 years with thousands of pounds of farm equipment stolen and had to build a fort within your yard then probably yes. If you live in a city in an apartment and your experience of Gypsies is watching Tyson Fury box on TV then probably not. Perspective is everything as they say.ballysmate said:
Do you think that distrust is warranted based on real life experiences ?Pross said:Let's face it persecution and distrust of gypsies and other travelling people is hardly a new thing.
NB: for those not familiar with it the A3 out by the M25 has 3 lanes so to all intents and purposes is a motorway.
I see them trotting around town from time to time but apart from being a bit of a nuisence to traffic, they aren't that bad.
How did I find myself defending gypsies, I don't know?
a big difference between trotting around town at 10mph and putting a rolling roadblock on a motorway to indulge your pastime0 -
Horses for courses though.surrey_commuter said:
no idea how often but frequent enough that it is not news worthyshirley_basso said:
How often does this actually happen?surrey_commuter said:
yep forming a roadblock on the A3 to have a trotting race is something that nobody could deem to be anti-social behaviourrjsterry said:
I live in a city. The local traveller site is less than two miles away and I see them exercising their horses on the road fairly frequently.john80 said:
If you are a farmer that has been burgled 4 times in the last 5 years with thousands of pounds of farm equipment stolen and had to build a fort within your yard then probably yes. If you live in a city in an apartment and your experience of Gypsies is watching Tyson Fury box on TV then probably not. Perspective is everything as they say.ballysmate said:
Do you think that distrust is warranted based on real life experiences ?Pross said:Let's face it persecution and distrust of gypsies and other travelling people is hardly a new thing.
NB: for those not familiar with it the A3 out by the M25 has 3 lanes so to all intents and purposes is a motorway.
I see them trotting around town from time to time but apart from being a bit of a nuisence to traffic, they aren't that bad.
How did I find myself defending gypsies, I don't know?
a big difference between trotting around town at 10mph and putting a rolling roadblock on a motorway to indulge your pastime
Some club runs or road races effectively do this.
Not saying it excuses it but, one mans...0 -
Like I said, hold-ups on the A3/M25 are an almost daily occurrence anyway, so it certainly wouldn't be newsworthy be on the local traffic bulletin.surrey_commuter said:
no idea how often but frequent enough that it is not news worthyshirley_basso said:
How often does this actually happen?surrey_commuter said:
yep forming a roadblock on the A3 to have a trotting race is something that nobody could deem to be anti-social behaviourrjsterry said:
I live in a city. The local traveller site is less than two miles away and I see them exercising their horses on the road fairly frequently.john80 said:
If you are a farmer that has been burgled 4 times in the last 5 years with thousands of pounds of farm equipment stolen and had to build a fort within your yard then probably yes. If you live in a city in an apartment and your experience of Gypsies is watching Tyson Fury box on TV then probably not. Perspective is everything as they say.ballysmate said:
Do you think that distrust is warranted based on real life experiences ?Pross said:Let's face it persecution and distrust of gypsies and other travelling people is hardly a new thing.
NB: for those not familiar with it the A3 out by the M25 has 3 lanes so to all intents and purposes is a motorway.
I see them trotting around town from time to time but apart from being a bit of a nuisence to traffic, they aren't that bad.
How did I find myself defending gypsies, I don't know?
a big difference between trotting around town at 10mph and putting a rolling roadblock on a motorway to indulge your pastime1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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not sure what road races involve 4 pickups going 10mph across the width of a motorwaymorstar said:
Horses for courses though.surrey_commuter said:
no idea how often but frequent enough that it is not news worthyshirley_basso said:
How often does this actually happen?surrey_commuter said:
yep forming a roadblock on the A3 to have a trotting race is something that nobody could deem to be anti-social behaviourrjsterry said:
I live in a city. The local traveller site is less than two miles away and I see them exercising their horses on the road fairly frequently.john80 said:
If you are a farmer that has been burgled 4 times in the last 5 years with thousands of pounds of farm equipment stolen and had to build a fort within your yard then probably yes. If you live in a city in an apartment and your experience of Gypsies is watching Tyson Fury box on TV then probably not. Perspective is everything as they say.ballysmate said:
Do you think that distrust is warranted based on real life experiences ?Pross said:Let's face it persecution and distrust of gypsies and other travelling people is hardly a new thing.
NB: for those not familiar with it the A3 out by the M25 has 3 lanes so to all intents and purposes is a motorway.
I see them trotting around town from time to time but apart from being a bit of a nuisence to traffic, they aren't that bad.
How did I find myself defending gypsies, I don't know?
a big difference between trotting around town at 10mph and putting a rolling roadblock on a motorway to indulge your pastime
Some club runs or road races effectively do this.
Not saying it excuses it but, one mans...0 -
Is this a fair summary? I'm allowed to be a nomad, because I'm not a gypsy. Gypsies shouldn't be nomads, because there is no nomadic choice other than being a criminal.1
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Maybe not a multi lane thoroughfare but can still block up an entire direction of travel.surrey_commuter said:
not sure what road races involve 4 pickups going 10mph across the width of a motorwaymorstar said:
Horses for courses though.surrey_commuter said:
no idea how often but frequent enough that it is not news worthyshirley_basso said:
How often does this actually happen?surrey_commuter said:
yep forming a roadblock on the A3 to have a trotting race is something that nobody could deem to be anti-social behaviourrjsterry said:
I live in a city. The local traveller site is less than two miles away and I see them exercising their horses on the road fairly frequently.john80 said:
If you are a farmer that has been burgled 4 times in the last 5 years with thousands of pounds of farm equipment stolen and had to build a fort within your yard then probably yes. If you live in a city in an apartment and your experience of Gypsies is watching Tyson Fury box on TV then probably not. Perspective is everything as they say.ballysmate said:
Do you think that distrust is warranted based on real life experiences ?Pross said:Let's face it persecution and distrust of gypsies and other travelling people is hardly a new thing.
NB: for those not familiar with it the A3 out by the M25 has 3 lanes so to all intents and purposes is a motorway.
I see them trotting around town from time to time but apart from being a bit of a nuisence to traffic, they aren't that bad.
How did I find myself defending gypsies, I don't know?
a big difference between trotting around town at 10mph and putting a rolling roadblock on a motorway to indulge your pastime
Some club runs or road races effectively do this.
Not saying it excuses it but, one mans...
It’s the same level of inconvenience to those unable to pass.
I’m not arguing it’s reasonable behaviour but saying an entire demographic is unreasonable for blocking roads is a risky position to take on a cycling forum.0 -
So on this, worth revisiting my own statements.rick_chasey said:
Are you familiar with how large the QE was in Japan?TheBigBean said:
Japan didn't have 18 months of pent up demand suddenly kick when the QE was massively increased. To put it in perspective, the BoE has bought more assets (£450bn) in 2020 than it did in response to the previous financial crisis and Brexit (£445bn).rick_chasey said:
So why hasn't Japan had a lot of inflation?TheBigBean said:
The massive increase in money supply is a fact. That people are going to go a little bit wild after 18 months of a pandemic is highly likely. I can't see how that won't lead to inflation. The only question is whether that inflation can be controlled, or whether it will only be short-term.rick_chasey said:
Sure. Eventually they will be right. But I don't think any economic data coming out of the last 18 months makes much sense given lockdown etc.TheBigBean said:
The boy who cried wolf was eventually eaten by a wolf.rick_chasey said:
Big global sell-off this morning in most of the major commodities.TheBigBean said:Can't remember which thread it was people were arguing about fiscal and monetary policy. Think it was most of them. Anyway, from the FT today. Moving closer to melt-up.
US inflation rose 4.2 per cent in April over its level a year ago, a bigger jump than economists had expected, fuelling concerns that the world’s largest economy is overheating.
The higher inflation reading reflects a combination of hefty fiscal support, supply bottlenecks and increased spending as economic activity picks up following the rollout of coronavirus vaccinations.
US equities dropped after the inflation report, with the S&P 500 closing 2.2 per cent lower, its biggest one-day drop since February. The technology-heavy Nasdaq, whose companies are particularly sensitive to higher inflation and interest rates, lost about 2.7 per cent.
The problem with inflation predictions is they have been massively over-egged for a decade so people are weary of them.
If Japan is just 10 years ahead of the rest of the west, inflation isn't returning any time soon.
I don't know may people who are expecting a pay rise this year, unless you do?
There are definitely shortages for things like cars and petrol, especially in the states, but I think they are side effects of the global supply chain being disrupted, so I don't think they will hang around.
Happy to bet you the next drink we get that inflation won't be high for any period longer than 6 months and won't feed into broad base wage increases
The recruitment market, as in, jobs for recruiters, has not been as hot as it is now in the 11 or so years since I've been working and that is already coming through in terms of pay rises.
The search industry is also extremely busy there is plenty of demand for labour too, which should in theory pass down into higher pay (though the industry I cover is in secular decline so that may well be masked in other areas )0 -
I wonder what will happen in 1-6m time when COVID loans start getting repaid and furlough ends.0
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what do you think is driving this?rick_chasey said:
So on this, worth revisiting my own statements.rick_chasey said:
Are you familiar with how large the QE was in Japan?TheBigBean said:
Japan didn't have 18 months of pent up demand suddenly kick when the QE was massively increased. To put it in perspective, the BoE has bought more assets (£450bn) in 2020 than it did in response to the previous financial crisis and Brexit (£445bn).rick_chasey said:
So why hasn't Japan had a lot of inflation?TheBigBean said:
The massive increase in money supply is a fact. That people are going to go a little bit wild after 18 months of a pandemic is highly likely. I can't see how that won't lead to inflation. The only question is whether that inflation can be controlled, or whether it will only be short-term.rick_chasey said:
Sure. Eventually they will be right. But I don't think any economic data coming out of the last 18 months makes much sense given lockdown etc.TheBigBean said:
The boy who cried wolf was eventually eaten by a wolf.rick_chasey said:
Big global sell-off this morning in most of the major commodities.TheBigBean said:Can't remember which thread it was people were arguing about fiscal and monetary policy. Think it was most of them. Anyway, from the FT today. Moving closer to melt-up.
US inflation rose 4.2 per cent in April over its level a year ago, a bigger jump than economists had expected, fuelling concerns that the world’s largest economy is overheating.
The higher inflation reading reflects a combination of hefty fiscal support, supply bottlenecks and increased spending as economic activity picks up following the rollout of coronavirus vaccinations.
US equities dropped after the inflation report, with the S&P 500 closing 2.2 per cent lower, its biggest one-day drop since February. The technology-heavy Nasdaq, whose companies are particularly sensitive to higher inflation and interest rates, lost about 2.7 per cent.
The problem with inflation predictions is they have been massively over-egged for a decade so people are weary of them.
If Japan is just 10 years ahead of the rest of the west, inflation isn't returning any time soon.
I don't know may people who are expecting a pay rise this year, unless you do?
There are definitely shortages for things like cars and petrol, especially in the states, but I think they are side effects of the global supply chain being disrupted, so I don't think they will hang around.
Happy to bet you the next drink we get that inflation won't be high for any period longer than 6 months and won't feed into broad base wage increases
The recruitment market, as in, jobs for recruiters, has not been as hot as it is now in the 11 or so years since I've been working and that is already coming through in terms of pay rises.
The search industry is also extremely busy there is plenty of demand for labour too, which should in theory pass down into higher pay (though the industry I cover is in secular decline so that may well be masked in other areas )0 -
Wait. You're saying I'm right already?rick_chasey said:
So on this, worth revisiting my own statements.rick_chasey said:
Are you familiar with how large the QE was in Japan?TheBigBean said:
Japan didn't have 18 months of pent up demand suddenly kick when the QE was massively increased. To put it in perspective, the BoE has bought more assets (£450bn) in 2020 than it did in response to the previous financial crisis and Brexit (£445bn).rick_chasey said:
So why hasn't Japan had a lot of inflation?TheBigBean said:
The massive increase in money supply is a fact. That people are going to go a little bit wild after 18 months of a pandemic is highly likely. I can't see how that won't lead to inflation. The only question is whether that inflation can be controlled, or whether it will only be short-term.rick_chasey said:
Sure. Eventually they will be right. But I don't think any economic data coming out of the last 18 months makes much sense given lockdown etc.TheBigBean said:
The boy who cried wolf was eventually eaten by a wolf.rick_chasey said:
Big global sell-off this morning in most of the major commodities.TheBigBean said:Can't remember which thread it was people were arguing about fiscal and monetary policy. Think it was most of them. Anyway, from the FT today. Moving closer to melt-up.
US inflation rose 4.2 per cent in April over its level a year ago, a bigger jump than economists had expected, fuelling concerns that the world’s largest economy is overheating.
The higher inflation reading reflects a combination of hefty fiscal support, supply bottlenecks and increased spending as economic activity picks up following the rollout of coronavirus vaccinations.
US equities dropped after the inflation report, with the S&P 500 closing 2.2 per cent lower, its biggest one-day drop since February. The technology-heavy Nasdaq, whose companies are particularly sensitive to higher inflation and interest rates, lost about 2.7 per cent.
The problem with inflation predictions is they have been massively over-egged for a decade so people are weary of them.
If Japan is just 10 years ahead of the rest of the west, inflation isn't returning any time soon.
I don't know may people who are expecting a pay rise this year, unless you do?
There are definitely shortages for things like cars and petrol, especially in the states, but I think they are side effects of the global supply chain being disrupted, so I don't think they will hang around.
Happy to bet you the next drink we get that inflation won't be high for any period longer than 6 months and won't feed into broad base wage increases
The recruitment market, as in, jobs for recruiters, has not been as hot as it is now in the 11 or so years since I've been working and that is already coming through in terms of pay rises.
The search industry is also extremely busy there is plenty of demand for labour too, which should in theory pass down into higher pay (though the industry I cover is in secular decline so that may well be masked in other areas )0 -
So my theory is firms panicked this time last year and let a lot of people go, and now they need to re-hire as the volume has come back.surrey_commuter said:
what do you think is driving this?rick_chasey said:
So on this, worth revisiting my own statements.
The recruitment market, as in, jobs for recruiters, has not been as hot as it is now in the 11 or so years since I've been working and that is already coming through in terms of pay rises.
The search industry is also extremely busy there is plenty of demand for labour too, which should in theory pass down into higher pay (though the industry I cover is in secular decline so that may well be masked in other areas )
So in my world that creates a double whammy as the recruiters themselves cut their staff as did their clients so when their clients realise they need to re-hire the recruiters get a big bump in work combined with a reduced sized team.
Either way, pay is sticky so when it goes up it doesn't come down that quickly.0 -
Isn't it strongly commission based?0
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Ha too soon to say but if this continues then yes.TheBigBean said:
Wait. You're saying I'm right already?rick_chasey said:
So on this, worth revisiting my own statements.rick_chasey said:
Are you familiar with how large the QE was in Japan?TheBigBean said:
Japan didn't have 18 months of pent up demand suddenly kick when the QE was massively increased. To put it in perspective, the BoE has bought more assets (£450bn) in 2020 than it did in response to the previous financial crisis and Brexit (£445bn).rick_chasey said:
So why hasn't Japan had a lot of inflation?TheBigBean said:
The massive increase in money supply is a fact. That people are going to go a little bit wild after 18 months of a pandemic is highly likely. I can't see how that won't lead to inflation. The only question is whether that inflation can be controlled, or whether it will only be short-term.rick_chasey said:
Sure. Eventually they will be right. But I don't think any economic data coming out of the last 18 months makes much sense given lockdown etc.TheBigBean said:
The boy who cried wolf was eventually eaten by a wolf.rick_chasey said:
Big global sell-off this morning in most of the major commodities.TheBigBean said:Can't remember which thread it was people were arguing about fiscal and monetary policy. Think it was most of them. Anyway, from the FT today. Moving closer to melt-up.
US inflation rose 4.2 per cent in April over its level a year ago, a bigger jump than economists had expected, fuelling concerns that the world’s largest economy is overheating.
The higher inflation reading reflects a combination of hefty fiscal support, supply bottlenecks and increased spending as economic activity picks up following the rollout of coronavirus vaccinations.
US equities dropped after the inflation report, with the S&P 500 closing 2.2 per cent lower, its biggest one-day drop since February. The technology-heavy Nasdaq, whose companies are particularly sensitive to higher inflation and interest rates, lost about 2.7 per cent.
The problem with inflation predictions is they have been massively over-egged for a decade so people are weary of them.
If Japan is just 10 years ahead of the rest of the west, inflation isn't returning any time soon.
I don't know may people who are expecting a pay rise this year, unless you do?
There are definitely shortages for things like cars and petrol, especially in the states, but I think they are side effects of the global supply chain being disrupted, so I don't think they will hang around.
Happy to bet you the next drink we get that inflation won't be high for any period longer than 6 months and won't feed into broad base wage increases
The recruitment market, as in, jobs for recruiters, has not been as hot as it is now in the 11 or so years since I've been working and that is already coming through in terms of pay rises.
The search industry is also extremely busy there is plenty of demand for labour too, which should in theory pass down into higher pay (though the industry I cover is in secular decline so that may well be masked in other areas )
I was saying I wasn't expecting pay rises but then I've just seen a whole bunch, so clearly I should revisit my own expectations. I think it might be peculiar to recruitment but I shouldn't disregard it, right?0 -
I think it won't be limited to your niche area.rick_chasey said:
Ha too soon to say but if this continues then yes.TheBigBean said:
Wait. You're saying I'm right already?rick_chasey said:
So on this, worth revisiting my own statements.rick_chasey said:
Are you familiar with how large the QE was in Japan?TheBigBean said:
Japan didn't have 18 months of pent up demand suddenly kick when the QE was massively increased. To put it in perspective, the BoE has bought more assets (£450bn) in 2020 than it did in response to the previous financial crisis and Brexit (£445bn).rick_chasey said:
So why hasn't Japan had a lot of inflation?TheBigBean said:
The massive increase in money supply is a fact. That people are going to go a little bit wild after 18 months of a pandemic is highly likely. I can't see how that won't lead to inflation. The only question is whether that inflation can be controlled, or whether it will only be short-term.rick_chasey said:
Sure. Eventually they will be right. But I don't think any economic data coming out of the last 18 months makes much sense given lockdown etc.TheBigBean said:
The boy who cried wolf was eventually eaten by a wolf.rick_chasey said:
Big global sell-off this morning in most of the major commodities.TheBigBean said:Can't remember which thread it was people were arguing about fiscal and monetary policy. Think it was most of them. Anyway, from the FT today. Moving closer to melt-up.
US inflation rose 4.2 per cent in April over its level a year ago, a bigger jump than economists had expected, fuelling concerns that the world’s largest economy is overheating.
The higher inflation reading reflects a combination of hefty fiscal support, supply bottlenecks and increased spending as economic activity picks up following the rollout of coronavirus vaccinations.
US equities dropped after the inflation report, with the S&P 500 closing 2.2 per cent lower, its biggest one-day drop since February. The technology-heavy Nasdaq, whose companies are particularly sensitive to higher inflation and interest rates, lost about 2.7 per cent.
The problem with inflation predictions is they have been massively over-egged for a decade so people are weary of them.
If Japan is just 10 years ahead of the rest of the west, inflation isn't returning any time soon.
I don't know may people who are expecting a pay rise this year, unless you do?
There are definitely shortages for things like cars and petrol, especially in the states, but I think they are side effects of the global supply chain being disrupted, so I don't think they will hang around.
Happy to bet you the next drink we get that inflation won't be high for any period longer than 6 months and won't feed into broad base wage increases
The recruitment market, as in, jobs for recruiters, has not been as hot as it is now in the 11 or so years since I've been working and that is already coming through in terms of pay rises.
The search industry is also extremely busy there is plenty of demand for labour too, which should in theory pass down into higher pay (though the industry I cover is in secular decline so that may well be masked in other areas )
I was saying I wasn't expecting pay rises but then I've just seen a whole bunch, so clearly I should revisit my own expectations. I think it might be peculiar to recruitment but I shouldn't disregard it, right?
The key question is whether the inflation will be short-term e.g. one year at 4%, and then back to normal or, if not, how easily it can be handled.
Or looking at it another way, if I had to choose whether to stand next to the fire with a can of petrol or a bucket of water, I'm currently leaning towards the water, but things could change.0 -
The story here is more about what happened last year. If you look at March to April inflation from previous years, you'll see it went down last year. It is a decent increase this year, but not that different from 2019.rick_chasey said:
1998 0.57%
1999 0.42%
2000 0.41%
2001 0.55%
2002 0.40%
2003 0.27%
2004 0.39%
2005 0.39%
2006 0.63%
2007 0.25%
2008 0.72%
2009 0.23%
2010 0.56%
2011 1.08%
2012 0.63%
2013 0.20%
2014 0.40%
2015 0.20%
2016 0.00%
2017 0.39%
2018 0.38%
2019 0.56%
2020 -0.09%
2021 0.64%
Still, it is good to see you notice the inflationary pressure.
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So an argument that has got quite popular in the last decade is that running the economy 'hot' for a bit can be quite transformational for an economy.TheBigBean said:
Or looking at it another way, if I had to choose whether to stand next to the fire with a can of petrol or a bucket of water, I'm currently leaning towards the water, but things could change.
It is very good at getting people who are long-term unemployed for whatever reason to get back into the labour market, making them more employable in the future.
It is also good at forcing firms to invest in labour etc. I know in the states there were examples where firms were offering free English lessons and decent wages as part of a recruitment drive in a particularly hot labour market - those skills the workers pick up stay with them for the rest of their career etc.
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that seems very text booky, we have had long periods in this country when everybody who wants a job could have one.rick_chasey said:
So an argument that has got quite popular in the last decade is that running the economy 'hot' for a bit can be quite transformational for an economy.TheBigBean said:
Or looking at it another way, if I had to choose whether to stand next to the fire with a can of petrol or a bucket of water, I'm currently leaning towards the water, but things could change.
It is very good at getting people who are long-term unemployed for whatever reason to get back into the labour market, making them more employable in the future.
It is also good at forcing firms to invest in labour etc. I know in the states there were examples where firms were offering free English lessons and decent wages as part of a recruitment drive in a particularly hot labour market - those skills the workers pick up stay with them for the rest of their career etc.
Even I am unconvinced that removing all benefits to starve them into jobs is a good idea so we will be left with turning the immigration taps on and off.
On that theme I am seeing anecdotal stories that EU immigrants who left for Covid are being refused re-entry. It will be interesting to see what happens when things get back to normal.0 -
I've also read - don't want to come back into the country.0
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When?surrey_commuter said:
that seems very text booky, we have had long periods in this country when everybody who wants a job could have one.
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I think the point was a job, not the job you want.rick_chasey said:
When?surrey_commuter said:
that seems very text booky, we have had long periods in this country when everybody who wants a job could have one.
.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
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Blue socialism takes another leap. Corbyn will be chuffed. Who knew losing an election could still result in your manifesto being implemented?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57176858The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
That's just rebranding the Network Rail, no? The infrastructure is already publicly owned.pblakeney said:Blue socialism takes another leap. Corbyn will be chuffed. Who knew losing an election could still result in your manifesto being implemented?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-571768581985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Call it Network Rail Plus if you wish. The Plus is important.rjsterry said:
That's just rebranding the Network Rail, no? The infrastructure is already publicly owned.pblakeney said:Blue socialism takes another leap. Corbyn will be chuffed. Who knew losing an election could still result in your manifesto being implemented?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57176858
If it look like a fish, smells like a fish and tastes like a fish, I'm calling it a fish.
Labour's plan from 2004 finally implemented.
"In 2004, the then transport secretary Alistair Darling considered a plan to unite the two big forces in the industry, Network Rail and the Strategic Rail Authority, into a single unit, to be called National Rail. This plan finally makes that idea concrete and reverses one of the pillars of the original privatisation, the separation of management of the track and the trains."
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Not really, trains are now back under Government control too with private companies just being contracted to provide the trains themselves as I understand it (not sure who the train staff will work for though).rjsterry said:
That's just rebranding the Network Rail, no? The infrastructure is already publicly owned.pblakeney said:Blue socialism takes another leap. Corbyn will be chuffed. Who knew losing an election could still result in your manifesto being implemented?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57176858
On paper it sounds like a good plan with talk of more flexible fares and a contactless system like the Oyster card (presumably ensuring you always pay the cheapest relevant fee).0
