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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I would suggest generally the Dutch political landscape is often ahead of the the rest of Europe, so the collapse of the Green vote, along with the success of another far-right party, FvD (as well as the continuing presence of the PVV) is rather worrying. FvD in particular has a leader who has fairly well publicised views that not all races are equal.

    The silver lining is D66, who are basically progressive liberals (emphasis on liberal) did really well, so perhaps not all is lost.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    The main lesson is that being the main party to point out exactly where the gov't has had a monumental and (literally) lethal f*ck up does relatively well for you, but nowhere near as well as being the party who made the monumental lethal f*ck up.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited March 2021
    Labour watchers should note PvdA, who used to be a heavyweight party, Partij van de arbeid (literally, party of the labour) have only seen their vote shrink and shrink and shrink.

    PVV is the new party of the working class.
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632

    Well PVV are the far right party (who none of the major parties will get into bed with), CDA and D66 were part of the previous coalition, along with the CU - VVD, D66, CDA is the most obvious coalition on the cards.

    Does this basically mean you get a fairly centrist govt?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Centre right.

    VVD are Centre right, CU and CDA are mildly left, D66 to the left.

    You more often than not get a centrist government as to get a majority you have to make alliances.

    The spectrum is slightly different. CU (Christian Union) is a proper bible based protestant party who focus a lot on charity and stewardship and generally making people behave in a more community minded way, albeit not under an EU flag, etc, for example, although they're still socially conservative. They're very pro-green however, as we must treat the earth god has given us with respect

    CDA, (christian democratic alliance) isn't even fully christian with hindus and muslims as members and MPs. They're very pro-environmentalism, but they're pro-privitisation of healthcare, for example. They're probably as centre as you get, but naturally being in gov't with VVD means those on the right of the party get more prominence than those on the left.

  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632

    Centre right.

    VVD are Centre right, CU and CDA are mildly left, D66 to the left.

    You more often than not get a centrist government as to get a majority you have to make alliances.

    The spectrum is slightly different. CU (Christian Union) is a proper bible based protestant party who focus a lot on charity and stewardship and generally making people behave in a more community minded way, albeit not under an EU flag, etc, for example, although they're still socially conservative. They're very pro-green however, as we must treat the earth god has given us with respect

    CDA, (christian democratic alliance) isn't even fully christian with hindus and muslims as members and MPs. They're very pro-environmentalism, but they're pro-privitisation of healthcare, for example. They're probably as centre as you get, but naturally being in gov't with VVD means those on the right of the party get more prominence than those on the left.

    Thanks.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    I would say PVV are like UKIP but in many respects they're sort of in the Patel camp re ideology, though in Holland anything fairly right wing is very pre-occupied with being Islamophobic.
  • pinkbikini
    pinkbikini Posts: 876
    Moving back to the Conservative govt, and Woeful Williamson in particular, we’ve had a school email for our sons (A-level year) stating that Ofqual still haven’t provided guidelines for the process that they will follow to produce teacher-assessed grades.

    How can this be left so late - it has a huge impact on both pupils and schools. We’re in a situation that should have been planned as contingency for over a year now.

    Williamson? Ofqual? Who carries the can for this? Any teachers on here with views?

    I know where I’d be laying the blame. Williamson.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    Moving back to the Conservative govt, and Woeful Williamson in particular, we’ve had a school email for our sons (A-level year) stating that Ofqual still haven’t provided guidelines for the process that they will follow to produce teacher-assessed grades.

    How can this be left so late - it has a huge impact on both pupils and schools. We’re in a situation that should have been planned as contingency for over a year now.

    Williamson? Ofqual? Who carries the can for this? Any teachers on here with views?

    I know where I’d be laying the blame. Williamson.

    My daughter has no idea either. She did some extra a levels this year so has done two years of a levels and still hasn’t experienced the classic exam scenario.
    Fortunately, due to having grades from last year, she has an unconditional uni offer and is all sorted with place and accommodation etc.

    It seems they want to do something exam like but don’t yet know what. My daughters college are teaching and carrying on as normally as possible and collecting lots of work so marks can be justified.
  • pinkbikini
    pinkbikini Posts: 876
    morstar said:

    Moving back to the Conservative govt, and Woeful Williamson in particular, we’ve had a school email for our sons (A-level year) stating that Ofqual still haven’t provided guidelines for the process that they will follow to produce teacher-assessed grades.

    How can this be left so late - it has a huge impact on both pupils and schools. We’re in a situation that should have been planned as contingency for over a year now.

    Williamson? Ofqual? Who carries the can for this? Any teachers on here with views?

    I know where I’d be laying the blame. Williamson.

    My daughter has no idea either. She did some extra a levels this year so has done two years of a levels and still hasn’t experienced the classic exam scenario.
    Fortunately, due to having grades from last year, she has an unconditional uni offer and is all sorted with place and accommodation etc.

    It seems they want to do something exam like but don’t yet know what. My daughters college are teaching and carrying on as normally as possible and collecting lots of work so marks can be justified.
    Some boards (e.g. Cambridge -CAIE) have managed to issue guidance. Are they outside DofE influence?

    Glad your daughter has an unconditional - must be a relief! We’re on the conditional treadmill, hence hoping that things are decided quickly. Treat every piece of work as critical. Would be nice to know how many and what type will count. Not too much to ask really.

    Unless you’re asking it of Williamson, it seems. He’s too busy drawing up pathetic legislation to cancel ‘cancel culture’ (based on at least one event that wasn’t even cancelled) to appease frothy Telegraph types.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,931

    Moving back to the Conservative govt, and Woeful Williamson in particular, we’ve had a school email for our sons (A-level year) stating that Ofqual still haven’t provided guidelines for the process that they will follow to produce teacher-assessed grades.

    How can this be left so late - it has a huge impact on both pupils and schools. We’re in a situation that should have been planned as contingency for over a year now.

    Williamson? Ofqual? Who carries the can for this? Any teachers on here with views?

    I know where I’d be laying the blame. Williamson.


    The school where I teach (but not classroom) is doing thorough internal assessments for all Y11 & Y13s soon, I'm guessing as a backstop for if they are expected to justify predicted grades. But I'm very glad I'm not a teacher who both wants all my pupils to do really well and to get to their choice of university, but also to try to be suitably fair/rigorous. 'Invidious position' is the phrase that come to mind.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,623
    The last year has shown a need to go back to a balance between continuous assessment and final exams.
    As said above, there's been nearly a year to come up with a fair solution, one that's fair to pupils and teachers.
    Key for students is to treat every piece of work they submit as being an assessed piece.
  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190

    morstar said:

    Moving back to the Conservative govt, and Woeful Williamson in particular, we’ve had a school email for our sons (A-level year) stating that Ofqual still haven’t provided guidelines for the process that they will follow to produce teacher-assessed grades.

    How can this be left so late - it has a huge impact on both pupils and schools. We’re in a situation that should have been planned as contingency for over a year now.

    Williamson? Ofqual? Who carries the can for this? Any teachers on here with views?

    I know where I’d be laying the blame. Williamson.

    My daughter has no idea either. She did some extra a levels this year so has done two years of a levels and still hasn’t experienced the classic exam scenario.
    Fortunately, due to having grades from last year, she has an unconditional uni offer and is all sorted with place and accommodation etc.

    It seems they want to do something exam like but don’t yet know what. My daughters college are teaching and carrying on as normally as possible and collecting lots of work so marks can be justified.
    Some boards (e.g. Cambridge -CAIE) have managed to issue guidance. Are they outside DofE influence?

    Glad your daughter has an unconditional - must be a relief! We’re on the conditional treadmill, hence hoping that things are decided quickly. Treat every piece of work as critical. Would be nice to know how many and what type will count. Not too much to ask really.

    Unless you’re asking it of Williamson, it seems. He’s too busy drawing up pathetic legislation to cancel ‘cancel culture’ (based on at least one event that wasn’t even cancelled) to appease frothy Telegraph types.
    I hope for your sake it is better than last year. A lot of confusion last year and the prize for getting a place was of questionable value.

    Was very happy at the time my daughter passed up on uni last year in the midst of it all and with hindsight am even more relieved.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited March 2021
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-british-army-in-the-21st-century-under-scrutiny

    Quite interesting. Had no idea the Brits screwed up quite so much.

    Puts the reforms in some context
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-british-army-in-the-21st-century-under-scrutiny

    Quite interesting. Had no idea the Brits screwed up quite so much.

    Puts the reforms in some context

    No proper reforms will take place until we stop believing we have the best army in the world.

    Like you I have worked with a lot of ex-army officers and they are poshos too thick to go to university
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/21/david-cameron-texted-rishi-sunak-to-get-covid-loans-for-greensill-says-report

    No comment yet on Cameron's badgering of the Chancellor, texting his private number thus avoiding FOI requests, to hand out loans to a company he was an advisor to and has shares in.

    Tories gonna Tory.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,291
    elbowloh said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/21/david-cameron-texted-rishi-sunak-to-get-covid-loans-for-greensill-says-report

    No comment yet on Cameron's badgering of the Chancellor, texting his private number thus avoiding FOI requests, to hand out loans to a company he was an advisor to and has shares in.

    Tories gonna Tory.

    Fair play to sunak, played it with a straight bat.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    elbowloh said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/21/david-cameron-texted-rishi-sunak-to-get-covid-loans-for-greensill-says-report

    No comment yet on Cameron's badgering of the Chancellor, texting his private number thus avoiding FOI requests, to hand out loans to a company he was an advisor to and has shares in.

    Tories gonna Tory.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/feb/08/david-cameron-secret-corporate-lobbying



    He did call it, in fairness
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Oh and Greensill got lucrative government contracts during Cameron's time as PM (and after that too) after having "bizarre" levels of access to the corridors of power.

    https://www.ft.com/content/41a1cf9e-c610-4263-88a9-39a8c2944dbc
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    No way are the pigs ever going to vote to cancel the trough.

    May as well be honest and acknowledge that the ony reason you would employ Cameron on megabucks as an advisor is for his access to the UK corridors of power.

    When somebody gave Grayling a £100k a year contract nobody asked what they expected in return
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,738
    Oooohh, a lot of Scots Tories have made themselves look veeery silly...

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    edited March 2021
    ddraver said:

    Oooohh, a lot of Scots Tories have made themselves look veeery silly...

    Fancy that, the independent adviser to the Scottish Government’s Ministerial Code reappointed by Ms Sturgeon in 2015 who was apparently formerly an SNP member and advisor, has cleared her of any wrong doing. Well colour me shocked! Who would have thought it? Seems like there have been some interesting edits to his Wikipedia entry today also. Any references on social media to him being some kind of a shill should be redacted forthwith.

  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,017
    Shorty, you can put me in the shocked column as well. Whoda thunk it?
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    Sturgeon is facing two different issues. So the QC has found that she did not have direct involvement in the wastage of 500k plus the governments costs. This does not however clear her of talking bollocks to the Scottish Parliament. It is worth remembering this.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,893
    john80 said:

    Sturgeon is facing two different issues. So the QC has found that she did not have direct involvement in the wastage of 500k plus the governments costs. This does not however clear her of talking bollocks to the Scottish Parliament. It is worth remembering this.

    It's difficult to summon the will to give a damn about the whole sorry cesspit.
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  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,496

    elbowloh said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/21/david-cameron-texted-rishi-sunak-to-get-covid-loans-for-greensill-says-report

    No comment yet on Cameron's badgering of the Chancellor, texting his private number thus avoiding FOI requests, to hand out loans to a company he was an advisor to and has shares in.

    Tories gonna Tory.

    Fair play to sunak, played it with a straight bat.
    sunak's failure to honestly declare all his/wife's investments tells you all you need to know about him
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  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    edited March 2021
    john80 said:

    Sturgeon is facing two different issues. So the QC has found that she did not have direct involvement in the wastage of 500k plus the governments costs. This does not however clear her of talking bollocks to the Scottish Parliament. It is worth remembering this.

    True. It won't be easy to get to the bottom of it though. I think the only politician with a worse memory than her right now is Joe Biden and his lapses in recall are involuntary.
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    rjsterry said:

    john80 said:

    Sturgeon is facing two different issues. So the QC has found that she did not have direct involvement in the wastage of 500k plus the governments costs. This does not however clear her of talking bollocks to the Scottish Parliament. It is worth remembering this.

    It's difficult to summon the will to give a damn about the whole sorry cesspit.
    It is like watching a local council in fairness. The guys they send down to Westminster are pretty special too.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,893
    john80 said:

    rjsterry said:

    john80 said:

    Sturgeon is facing two different issues. So the QC has found that she did not have direct involvement in the wastage of 500k plus the governments costs. This does not however clear her of talking bollocks to the Scottish Parliament. It is worth remembering this.

    It's difficult to summon the will to give a damn about the whole sorry cesspit.
    It is like watching a local council in fairness. The guys they send down to Westminster are pretty special too.
    Oh, we have our own Nats down here without needing to import them from Scotland.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    elbowloh said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/21/david-cameron-texted-rishi-sunak-to-get-covid-loans-for-greensill-says-report

    No comment yet on Cameron's badgering of the Chancellor, texting his private number thus avoiding FOI requests, to hand out loans to a company he was an advisor to and has shares in.

    Tories gonna Tory.