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The clever part of this policy is that is less of a problem for london and that is one of the few areas that is pro-immigrationJezyboy said:If it's going to highlight the low salaries in this country, then maybe it will do some (limited) good.
Even in professions where there are apparent shortages, people aren't paid enough to clear their student loans off.0 -
On the one hand you have the irony of a government saying they want a highly paid highly skilled workforce, then insisting that none of the many, many people they employ can have anything more than a below inflation pay rise. On the other you have people arguing that private employers should just put up wages, as if that money doesn't have to be first earnt. All while not contributing to inflation.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Said it before.rjsterry said:On the one hand you have the irony of a government saying they want a highly paid highly skilled workforce, then insisting that none of the many, many people they employ can have anything more than a below inflation pay rise. On the other you have people arguing that private employers should just put up wages, as if that money doesn't have to be first earnt. All while not contributing to inflation.
A highly paid highly skilled workforce is expensive, has to be paid for and leads to inflation.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Saw something earlier about bringing in Swiss-style wage protection. 🙄1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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She's truly special.
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I am quite impressed by the Rwanda government. They have clearly identified a way of only ever taking money, not people from the UK.kingstongraham said:
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Jenrick has resigned.0
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Their tourist board is giving back through sponsoring Arsenal, so I guess that's something.kingstongraham said:
I am quite impressed by the Rwanda government. They have clearly identified a way of only ever taking money, not people from the UK.kingstongraham said:
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They’re an absolute shambles0
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Factions gonna keep factioning. Trouble is these waynekers have quite a lot of Power over us minions. Aux armes citoyens.
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It's hilarious.rick_chasey said:I have missed this. Is Rwanda trying to outflank the UK government on being law abiding?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I’m not sure this whole “if we talk about immigration it makes labour uncomfortable” chat works when it sends your own lot into bedlam.0
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Let us know when the armed revolution is starting. Although somehow I suspect that you won't be doing anything more radical than voting SNP at the next General Electionorraloon said:Factions gonna keep factioning. Trouble is these waynekers have quite a lot of Power over us minions. Aux armes citoyens.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Was yesterday a sign that Sunak isn’t keen on the Rwanda scheme but is too weak (either personally or politically) to openly say so? At least we have found he is reluctant to fully commit to riding roughshod over international law as the likes of Jenrick and Braverman would like and that there are enough sensible members of the Tories in Parliament to stop the right wing loons getting everything they want.0
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It's a heady day indeed in UK politics when we can say that on the balance of probabilities, the PM is in favour of observing international law and treaty commitments!Pross said:Was yesterday a sign that Sunak isn’t keen on the Rwanda scheme but is too weak (either personally or politically) to openly say so? At least we have found he is reluctant to fully commit to riding roughshod over international law as the likes of Jenrick and Braverman would like and that there are enough sensible members of the Tories in Parliament to stop the right wing loons getting everything they want.
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I am no fan of Sunak, but I would imagine that this whole Rwandan nonsense policy and the 'Stop The Boats' pile of s**** is not really his bag. As you suggest Pross, I think he is just too weak all round to stand up to it. He also made his deal with the Devil when he brought back Braverman, that was the clear indication that he had sold out to the headbangers in order to secure PM.0
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Absolutely boggles the mind that people still give Sunak a pass and think he's some sort of moderate.
What on earth about his politics makes people think this. He chose his home secretary > he could have easily ignored her as she was thrown out of that role for breaking the rules.
He is a proper hardcore Brexiter and this is right in the Brexiter wheelhouse.0 -
This. Fish that swim with sharks tend to also be sharks.rick_chasey said:Absolutely boggles the mind that people still give Sunak a pass and think he's some sort of moderate.
What on earth about his politics makes people think this. He chose his home secretary > he could have easily ignored her as she was thrown out of that role for breaking the rules.
He is a proper hardcore Brexiter and this is right in the Brexiter wheelhouse.0 -
Well that's certainly true, but he's from the "deregulation" school of wanting Brexit, having spent so much time in the much more dynamic US economy.rick_chasey said:He [Sunak] is a proper hardcore Brexiter...
I'd expect you to be pro-Sunak given his US-coloured tendencies, given you want everyone to invest their pensions in start ups and VC! (Slight rhetorical flourish in this maybe...)
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I don't think Sunak is a moderate at all. I think he (much like Johnson) is only bothered about his own advancement and made the deal with Braverman to secure her support and become PM. My personal view is that this is just as morally reprehensible as actually believing in the policies he is espousing.
I don't actually believe there is a single Cabinet Minister with an ounce of moral fibre left in this Government, but that is where our Democratic right to vote them out comes into play.
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What's really crazy though is that by any rational measure, the Tories have been very successful re immigration (pre-changes to earnings thresholds just annouced). They've shut down options for "illegal" (*) immigration so successfully that the only option for doing this is a highly risky dinghy trip across the Channel, and the resulting numbers are a drop in the ocean concerned with the level of visas granted via a flexible, targeted regime that has been devised post-Brexit.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:I don't think Sunak is a moderate at all.
Yet they beat themselves up over it every day, setting impossible hurdles to clear to avoid classing themselves as failures.
(*) I use "" on illegal, as the immigration so described is not illegal; failing to register with the authorities on arrival is the illegal act.
Big caveat - To create the situation where so much immigration is necessary is sub-optimal, but given that the situation exists, a coherent immigration policy is required.
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That heady day is not here.wallace_and_gromit said:
It's a heady day indeed in UK politics when we can say that on the balance of probabilities, the PM is in favour of observing international law and treaty commitments!Pross said:Was yesterday a sign that Sunak isn’t keen on the Rwanda scheme but is too weak (either personally or politically) to openly say so? At least we have found he is reluctant to fully commit to riding roughshod over international law as the likes of Jenrick and Braverman would like and that there are enough sensible members of the Tories in Parliament to stop the right wing loons getting everything they want.
His letter to Jenrick says that however much he'd like to override international law to a greater extent, he can't because the Rwanda government will pull out if he does.0 -
I presume there are a few headbanger's in the party who genuinely believe in the policy, and then the rest who have been convinced it's good politics as it provides a clear difference between them and labour.
I think one of the many issues with the policy is that it's started to lose any shock value. So now it's just a boring policy and one that doesn't look likely to achieve anything0 -
The worst thing that could happen for them is for it to be deemed lawful and actually start being used. While it's still being blocked, it's doing its job.Jezyboy said:I presume there are a few headbanger's in the party who genuinely believe in the policy, and then the rest who have been convinced it's good politics as it provides a clear difference between them and labour.
I think one of the many issues with the policy is that it's started to lose any shock value. So now it's just a boring policy and one that doesn't look likely to achieve anything
Jenrick quitting over it can only be performative and desperately trying to identify which bit of the ship will still be floating after the election.0 -
Well he has to say that to keep the headbangers on side, surely? Sunak presumably wants to avoid being rejected by his own party, even if that ultimately means being kicked in the nadgers by the voters at the GE.kingstongraham said:His letter to Jenrick says that however much he'd like to override international law to a greater extent...
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