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Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.0 -
I keep seeing recruiters doing videos of them talking about a role they are recruiting for. No, i don't want to watch your self-promotional video. I want to read/scan in 2 seconds if it is remotely interesting to me.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.
Also just a line like "we're recruiting for a xxx, call me for more details". Well no, i'm not calling you unless you tell me where it is, what the job actually is and what it pays (why do so many job ads not tell you the salary?), otherwise its probably a complete waste of time calling you.
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Probably one for the seemingly trivial things that annoy you thread, but seeing as it's the subject that we are on at the moment. Why do recruiters acting on behalf of engineering companies not seem to know the difference between FEA and CFD.0
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Its the right thread as ALL recruiters are Tories...Jezyboy said:Probably one for the seemingly trivial things that annoy you thread, but seeing as it's the subject that we are on at the moment. Why do recruiters acting on behalf of engineering companies not seem to know the difference between FEA and CFD.
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Recruiters find you on LI then phone you about totally inappropriate positions.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
lol the recruiters who call *you* do that, sure.pblakeney said:
Recruiters find you on LI then phone you about totally inappropriate positions.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.0 -
Tbf the only recruiter who wnet to the trouble of calling me, and then WhatsApping me, did have a suitable opportunity that would have been a significant step up in some respects.
The ones that blanket email on LinkedIn are pretty useless.0 -
the salary may depend upon the candidate. I may see two candidates with raw talent and hire them both at £30k each or I may hire the finished article for £60kelbowloh said:
I keep seeing recruiters doing videos of them talking about a role they are recruiting for. No, i don't want to watch your self-promotional video. I want to read/scan in 2 seconds if it is remotely interesting to me.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.
Also just a line like "we're recruiting for a xxx, call me for more details". Well no, i'm not calling you unless you tell me where it is, what the job actually is and what it pays (why do so many job ads not tell you the salary?), otherwise its probably a complete waste of time calling you.0 -
No one ever tries to recruit me. That's a blow to my ego.0
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I dont get many contacts out of the blue these days with offers of jobs which require a big step down in pay and responsibility, although that said the roles which might be a big step up do not come up very often.
I'm more likely to get contacted asking if I want a chat about my recruiting needs for the department. Not necessarily a bad thing, although I wish that the junior recruiters who do this would check the existing relationships first, as often I've known someone much more senior in the agency for a long time."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That is still a failing on the recruiters part for not being able to understand what is being asked for, what is on offer, and what I can contribute.rick_chasey said:
lol the recruiters who call *you* do that, sure.pblakeney said:
Recruiters find you on LI then phone you about totally inappropriate positions.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.
Typical example is same job, same money, opposite end of the country. No thanks.
Worst example was my office being understaffed and I was offered to take up the position that I was already doing while my C.V. showed this. I hope he was suitably embarrassed when I asked if he had read my C.V. and he replied "yes".The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Total waste of my time and their time if I call about a job and it's half what i'm normally paid.surrey_commuter said:
the salary may depend upon the candidate. I may see two candidates with raw talent and hire them both at £30k each or I may hire the finished article for £60kelbowloh said:
I keep seeing recruiters doing videos of them talking about a role they are recruiting for. No, i don't want to watch your self-promotional video. I want to read/scan in 2 seconds if it is remotely interesting to me.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.
Also just a line like "we're recruiting for a xxx, call me for more details". Well no, i'm not calling you unless you tell me where it is, what the job actually is and what it pays (why do so many job ads not tell you the salary?), otherwise its probably a complete waste of time calling you.
Also, keep seeing jobs asking for loads of qualifications, plus 10 years plus experience in some niche fields, with a lot of responsibility and line management and then advertise for a salary which is pretty much a graduates salary.0 -
I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).0
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In my experience this is just a meme, I must be looking at the wrong job adverts.elbowloh said:
Total waste of my time and their time if I call about a job and it's half what i'm normally paid.surrey_commuter said:
the salary may depend upon the candidate. I may see two candidates with raw talent and hire them both at £30k each or I may hire the finished article for £60kelbowloh said:
I keep seeing recruiters doing videos of them talking about a role they are recruiting for. No, i don't want to watch your self-promotional video. I want to read/scan in 2 seconds if it is remotely interesting to me.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.
Also just a line like "we're recruiting for a xxx, call me for more details". Well no, i'm not calling you unless you tell me where it is, what the job actually is and what it pays (why do so many job ads not tell you the salary?), otherwise its probably a complete waste of time calling you.
Also, keep seeing jobs asking for loads of qualifications, plus 10 years plus experience in some niche fields, with a lot of responsibility and line management and then advertise for a salary which is pretty much a graduates salary.0 -
you might find it linked to legislation banning discrimination by ageTheBigBean said:I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).
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Aye.Jezyboy said:
In my experience this is just a meme, I must be looking at the wrong job adverts.elbowloh said:
Total waste of my time and their time if I call about a job and it's half what i'm normally paid.surrey_commuter said:
the salary may depend upon the candidate. I may see two candidates with raw talent and hire them both at £30k each or I may hire the finished article for £60kelbowloh said:
I keep seeing recruiters doing videos of them talking about a role they are recruiting for. No, i don't want to watch your self-promotional video. I want to read/scan in 2 seconds if it is remotely interesting to me.surrey_commuter said:
I am genuinely bemused, do these people not have electricity? it is years since I had a call as it is all done on LI which is your shop window to project what you want.pblakeney said:
Likewise.Pross said:
I get this at least once a week.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
This means that they are easily replaced with internal recruiters who have all the downsides you lot mention.
Also just a line like "we're recruiting for a xxx, call me for more details". Well no, i'm not calling you unless you tell me where it is, what the job actually is and what it pays (why do so many job ads not tell you the salary?), otherwise its probably a complete waste of time calling you.
Also, keep seeing jobs asking for loads of qualifications, plus 10 years plus experience in some niche fields, with a lot of responsibility and line management and then advertise for a salary which is pretty much a graduates salary.
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What does age have to do with it? I'm querying the need for a masters in an irrelevant subject when that much experience is required.surrey_commuter said:
you might find it linked to legislation banning discrimination by ageTheBigBean said:I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).
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masters + 10 years = no millennialsTheBigBean said:
What does age have to do with it? I'm querying the need for a masters in an irrelevant subject when that much experience is required.surrey_commuter said:
you might find it linked to legislation banning discrimination by ageTheBigBean said:I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).
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Probably few 50+ either as they rarely went for their Masters. (Industry dependant).surrey_commuter said:
masters + 10 years = no millennialsTheBigBean said:
What does age have to do with it? I'm querying the need for a masters in an irrelevant subject when that much experience is required.surrey_commuter said:
you might find it linked to legislation banning discrimination by ageTheBigBean said:I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).
Narrowing the selection down...The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
That was my initial interpretation of surrey_commuter's comment, but I supposed someone 50+ could be dismissed as too experienced.pblakeney said:
Probably few 50+ either as they rarely went for their Masters. (Industry dependant).surrey_commuter said:
masters + 10 years = no millennialsTheBigBean said:
What does age have to do with it? I'm querying the need for a masters in an irrelevant subject when that much experience is required.surrey_commuter said:
you might find it linked to legislation banning discrimination by ageTheBigBean said:I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).
Narrowing the selection down...0 -
so you have now written an ad that says the ideal candidate will be 35-50TheBigBean said:
That was my initial interpretation of surrey_commuter's comment, but I supposed someone 50+ could be dismissed as too experienced.pblakeney said:
Probably few 50+ either as they rarely went for their Masters. (Industry dependant).surrey_commuter said:
masters + 10 years = no millennialsTheBigBean said:
What does age have to do with it? I'm querying the need for a masters in an irrelevant subject when that much experience is required.surrey_commuter said:
you might find it linked to legislation banning discrimination by ageTheBigBean said:I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).
Narrowing the selection down...0 -
Recruiters are no difference to estate agents. They don't care whether you house sells for list price or 20% under as they're commission is minimally affected. For a recruiter the more people they place a day the more money they make. They could not care less it's impact on the person and only seek to avoid complete embarrassment for risk of harming future contracts with the client that is not the person being placed.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?0 -
Sure, at the lower salary range.john80 said:
Recruiters are no difference to estate agents. They don't care whether you house sells for list price or 20% under as they're commission is minimally affected. For a recruiter the more people they place a day the more money they make. They could not care less it's impact on the person and only seek to avoid complete embarrassment for risk of harming future contracts with the client that is not the person being placed.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
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My grievance is being excluded for not having the irrelevant masters despite potentially being the right age. Although age obviously shouldn't count.surrey_commuter said:
so you have now written an ad that says the ideal candidate will be 35-50TheBigBean said:
That was my initial interpretation of surrey_commuter's comment, but I supposed someone 50+ could be dismissed as too experienced.pblakeney said:
Probably few 50+ either as they rarely went for their Masters. (Industry dependant).surrey_commuter said:
masters + 10 years = no millennialsTheBigBean said:
What does age have to do with it? I'm querying the need for a masters in an irrelevant subject when that much experience is required.surrey_commuter said:
you might find it linked to legislation banning discrimination by ageTheBigBean said:I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).
Narrowing the selection down...0 -
You are aggrieved at not getting a hypothetical job? why not get a hypothetical masters?TheBigBean said:
My grievance is being excluded for not having the irrelevant masters despite potentially being the right age. Although age obviously shouldn't count.surrey_commuter said:
so you have now written an ad that says the ideal candidate will be 35-50TheBigBean said:
That was my initial interpretation of surrey_commuter's comment, but I supposed someone 50+ could be dismissed as too experienced.pblakeney said:
Probably few 50+ either as they rarely went for their Masters. (Industry dependant).surrey_commuter said:
masters + 10 years = no millennialsTheBigBean said:
What does age have to do with it? I'm querying the need for a masters in an irrelevant subject when that much experience is required.surrey_commuter said:
you might find it linked to legislation banning discrimination by ageTheBigBean said:I've always disliked the adverts for jobs that say must have 10+ years experience and a masters (in anything).
Narrowing the selection down...
Let me know if you need a reference😀0 -
No Rick, not all rec cons at the lower level are as described,rick_chasey said:
Sure, at the lower salary range.john80 said:
Recruiters are no difference to estate agents. They don't care whether you house sells for list price or 20% under as they're commission is minimally affected. For a recruiter the more people they place a day the more money they make. They could not care less it's impact on the person and only seek to avoid complete embarrassment for risk of harming future contracts with the client that is not the person being placed.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
Estate agent does care if the price drops 20% because his fee drops 20%!!!!!!0 -
Once you're arguing the toss over a couple of thousand either way I agree they likely don't care, but 20% would be pretty noticeable.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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The estate agent company gets 1.5% of the selling price, the individual agent maybe 10% of that?surrey_commuter said:
No Rick, not all rec cons at the lower level are as described,rick_chasey said:
Sure, at the lower salary range.john80 said:
Recruiters are no difference to estate agents. They don't care whether you house sells for list price or 20% under as they're commission is minimally affected. For a recruiter the more people they place a day the more money they make. They could not care less it's impact on the person and only seek to avoid complete embarrassment for risk of harming future contracts with the client that is not the person being placed.elbowloh said:
90% of the recruiters I have had dealings with seem to have no idea about the sector they are recruiting into, put you forward for stuff that is not related to what you do or wish to do and for things that are £10-20k less than you are currently paid.surrey_commuter said:
Those that can’t, recruitbompington said:
Ah, but Rick's job would seem to be the only job in the world that manages to beat teaching for being both easier to do and staffed by more incompetent peoplekingstongraham said:I assumed you were all talking about what is the best way to manage immigration on a more macro level, not advising Rick how to do his job.
Or rec cons are all failed teachers
Or things like: there's this role, it's a similar to something you were doing 15 years ago when a junior, it's £20k less you're paid now and you'd have to live away from home during the week. I mean wtf?
Estate agent does care if the price drops 20% because his fee drops 20%!!!!!!
So if the price is £20k lower than it could be, the individual agent is down by £30. Better to move on to the next sale than try to maximise the price.
It's not in their interests to spend time getting you the best possible price.0 -
It is the same non understanding of percentages that allows Labour to shout that those who earn more should pay more in taxationpangolin said:Once you're arguing the toss over a couple of thousand either way I agree they likely don't care, but 20% would be pretty noticeable.
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