I just don't get it!
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right, back on track.
why would anyone in Mad Max and similar movies decide to ride a motorbike?
its bleeding obvious you're going to get run over by a truck covered in spikes within 10 minutes.
stoopid.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:Capt Slog wrote:Alejandrosdog wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:Capt Slog wrote:People who put those scratch logos on their cars/elsewhere, which advertise Monster(?).
Why would they do that?
same reason as anyone does anything with any logo.
same reason as people tattoo ironman logo on their leg.
I think that’s post race delirium
And I can (just) understand that, even though I don't like tattoos.
But a crap drink? I can't get what is inherently cool, desirable about it, any more than I can envisage putting the Heinz logo everywhere because you really think their tomato ketchup is nice.
How is it understandable at all? Its like me getting a picture of Pen Y Fan on my leg after doing the Fan Dance. Its not understandable at all - its bloody stupid and pointless, much leg getting a picture of Pen Y fan on my leg would be.
You have a picture of Pen Y Fan on your leg, don’t you.
copy of the o/s map on my back. 1:50,000.
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Matthewfalle wrote:right, back on track.
why would anyone in Mad Max and similar movies decide to ride a motorbike?
its bleeding obvious you're going to get run over by a truck covered in spikes within 10 minutes.
stoopid.
Cheaper to run when fuel is in such short supply -- I'd probably been on a bicycle and died from sun stroke.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:right, back on track.
why would anyone in Mad Max and similar movies decide to ride a motorbike?
its bleeding obvious you're going to get run over by a truck covered in spikes within 10 minutes.
stoopid.
Thanks for that - made me laugh when I needed it! BTW, Fury Road is an absolute utter crock of sh1te. Why do people who remake films not bother (presumably) to watch anything more than the trailers of the originals?Faster than a tent.......0 -
Star Wars' Stormtrooper Armor.
It seems to stop f*all and no more effectual than normal clothes.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
FocusZing wrote:Capt Slog wrote:Star Wars' Stormtrooper Armor.
It seems to stop f*all and no more effectual than normal clothes.
If I was a stormtrooper I would coat it with a mirror finish and things.
One of them tried that and still ended up held hostage.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:
Oh, I don't think I'd bother then. I'd just check BR to see how Brexit is going and get laser beamed.0 -
Water based "outdoor" paint0
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Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Blxxdy EU, stopping us polluting our world. Bring back the good old days, take back control and kill ourselves. Is the will of the people innit.rjsterry wrote:Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries0 -
Cowsham wrote:Water based "outdoor" paint
What I do find pointless is water-based wood preservatives.
After years of Cuprinol adverts showing us how far their products soak into the wood, they now expect us to believe that just painting the surface brown will do the trick. It doesn't.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.0 -
Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.
Just because it's water based doesn't mean it washes off with water once it's dry. I don't know the chemistry, but often the same/similar thing is happening with water and oil based paints, they are just in a different medium to be applied.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.
...because people don't pour white spirit down the drain?0 -
Capt Slog wrote:Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.
Just because it's water based doesn't mean it washes off with water once it's dry. I don't know the chemistry, but often the same/similar thing is happening with water and oil based paints, they are just in a different medium to be applied.
We get sideways very heavy rain at some point almost every day summer and winter -- it washes off that's all there is to it -- I've tried every make -- I know the next post might be ' I don't get why everyone doesn't live in the south of England '0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.
...because people don't pour white spirit down the drain?
I suppose your right -- old tashman has just confessed to not sorting his recycling on the annoy you thread. I pour it on the tarmac -- keeps the moss and weeds off it.0 -
Cowsham wrote:I suppose your right -- old tashman has just confessed to not sorting his recycling on the annoy you thread. I pour it on the tarmac -- keeps the moss and weeds off it.
Nothing to sort, we only have 1 bin for it all. It get's sorted by the council, or more likely all stuck in landfill somewhere!0 -
Cowsham wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.
...because people don't pour white spirit down the drain?
I suppose your right -- old tashman has just confessed to not sorting his recycling on the annoy you thread. I pour it on the tarmac -- keeps the moss and weeds off it.
Of course. What with it being toxic to plants and animals. If your paint is washing off, it's not because it's water-based.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Can't stand oil-based paints. Smelly and toxic.
I guess there plenty of people whingeing when they stopped putting lead in paints and banning asbestos!0 -
I’m with you on les mis. I thought it was dreary and dull like an episode of eastenders.briantrumpet wrote:Les Mis. A few nice tunes, but let's not pretend it's an opera. It'd be a much better musical. On the plus side, it's not a Wagner opera.
Actually, I don't get opera. That might cloud my judgement, I suppose.0 -
rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.
...because people don't pour white spirit down the drain?
I suppose your right -- old tashman has just confessed to not sorting his recycling on the annoy you thread. I pour it on the tarmac -- keeps the moss and weeds off it.
Of course. What with it being toxic to plants and animals. If your paint is washing off, it's not because it's water-based.
Water based paint washes off.0 -
Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.
...because people don't pour white spirit down the drain?
I suppose your right -- old tashman has just confessed to not sorting his recycling on the annoy you thread. I pour it on the tarmac -- keeps the moss and weeds off it.
Of course. What with it being toxic to plants and animals. If your paint is washing off, it's not because it's water-based.
Water based paint washes off.
Not necessarily. Most car manufacturers use water based paint. Are you not prepping properly? If you are just slapping water based exterior gloss over old oil based gloss then it will peel (but not wash) off.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Cowsham wrote:rjsterry wrote:Cowsham wrote:
Because it's vastly less polluting to manufacture than oil based paint, is easier to clean up and gives off fewer VOCs as it dries. Most masonry paint is water based; it doesn't just wash off in the rain.
It's actually far more polluting because it washes off into drainage and into the water system requiring more to be painted on. Not only that but you then wash your brushes trays etc into the water system. With oil it stays on for years ( if you use good quality uv protected paint ) oil is organic and can be recycled or burned. Who knows what nasties are being washed down into our water table with these cr@p new paints.
...because people don't pour white spirit down the drain?
I suppose your right -- old tashman has just confessed to not sorting his recycling on the annoy you thread. I pour it on the tarmac -- keeps the moss and weeds off it.
Of course. What with it being toxic to plants and animals. If your paint is washing off, it's not because it's water-based.
Water based paint washes off.
Not necessarily. Most car manufacturers use water based paint.
Painting a car is now a very high tech business with special paints and some still use an oil based 2pk system as the clear coat or the clear coat is put on in an oven at very high temperature ( up to 190 degree c ) -- car body Repairers usually use an oil based lacquer to finish since they can't for obvious reasons bring the shell up to the very high temps used in the manufacturing process.
Getting a dry day to put any paint on is a challenge where I live.0 -
Woah, wait a minute...
Dulux Weathershield is a water based paint and I paint the wet dash exterior of my house in it. 2 coats. It's excellent. It will last 7+ years. despite being on the West coast of Scotland. I have never seen the slightest indication of residue - it does not 'wash off'. There is no alternative to the wet dash except a dry dash.
That means re-rendering the exterior again. More cement = more CO2. So that would be madness.
You cannot possibly paint the rendered exterior of a house with an oil based paint.
Paint on cement, brick, concrete lintels, sills, doesn't last nearly as long as Sandtex or Weathershield. It peels and cracks. Water based paints, by the time they have faded and ready for re-coating, are probably inert long before say the peeled oil based paint has broken down in the soil.
Re.: Water based paint on cars. On mass production vehicles
Most cars are baked at 70 degrees. Oil based paints were prohibited in mass production at the end of 1991 in the EU.
However, you could calculate the environmental effect (energy consumption) of baking at a higher temperature for a shorter period of time:
"There is a standard basic rule in the automotive industry that for every 15 degrees above 70 degrees, the coating will cure about twice as fast. This rule works the other way around as well; for every 15 degrees below 70 degrees, the coating will take about twice as long to cure."
Your local body repair shop can use what's called a buffer coat on top of a modern Acrylic paint and then paint with a 'traditional' substance like Cellulose but that practice is rare and would make no sense whatsoever. This was common in the early to late 90's because most local body repair shops universally had ovens that only heated to a maximum of 50 degrees, which is too cool to activate the lacquer coat, 1k or 2k or otherwise. Add the traditionalists refusing to move to the new type of paint and many will have noticed a huge reduction in body repair outlets and, more significantly, the cost of re-spraying has become much more expensive because primarily, the hotter ovens were expensive and the whole paint process using acrylic or similar, is far more of a technical challenge.
Without the lacquer coat, your car paint using acrylic would be quite dull or, car manufacturers would have to bake the paint at a much higher temperature and then deploy some mechanical means of buffing. t would also be highly susceptible to UVA and UVB, the elements and wouldn't last long.
"Clear coats are based differently today since there are so many new products available, but the product works in a similar way. If a clear coat would cure in 3 hours at 70 degrees, it would be possible to cure it in 15 minutes at 140 degrees."
https://globalfinishing.com/2012/04/20/ ... cal-guide/
The notion of water based paints was raised in the EU, thanks partly to a near Greenpeace Martyr highlighting the dumping of chemicals in the north sea, in the mid eighties. This practise was rife. For example:
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1980/10/13 ... 340257600/
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hans ... -north-sea
A calculation was made to the effect that every single car produced created 45 gallons of chemicals, of which the majority was the effluent derived from the paint process.
That was the point the EU finally decided that oil based paint could no longer be used on mass produced vehicles after 1991.
Some interesting environmental points regarding top coats (clear lacquer), before metering any criticism:
Waterborne clear coat was first introduced in the automotive industry in 1990 and is based on
a polyester acrylate cross-linked with isocyanate and melamine resins. Powder clearcoats are becoming
more prevalent in the automobile industry because of their environmental benefits, i.e., no emission of
VOCs during application [44]. Besides this, powder clearcoats have other advantages, including:
. Direct recycling—overspray powder can be collected and be reused in the original coating process;
. No wastewater or paint sludge produced during their application;
. No need to use organic solvents for cleaning of application equipment or spray booth;
. Reduction of the total energy used during application because the air supplied to the spray booth
can be recycled;
. No VOCs produced and very low toxic aspects;
From:
Evolution of the Automotive Body Coating
Process—A Review
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