Russians or Saudis

shirley_basso

Who’s better at media control (convincing lies)

Matthewfalle

russians control it saudis just don't allow it. two different things.

i'd say dotard the sexual abuser is miles ahead on the lies.

shirley_basso

Well the Saudis appear to have murdered a Turkish journalist in their own embassy, which the Saudis deny.

Russians send spies across the globe to murder defectors.

Dotard just says fake news.

bianchimoon

Shirley Basso wrote:

Well the Saudis appear to have murdered a Turkish journalist in their own embassy, which the Saudi's deny.

Russians send spies across the globe to murder defectors.

Dotard just says fake news.

are you sure he wasn't a Saudi journalist?

shirley_basso

Apologies. Perhaps he was a Saudi national, but in Turkey, in the Saudi Embassy?

FocusZing

Shirley Basso wrote:

What makes Putin and Trump such carismatic intelligent people?

I just think it's in the DNA, some people are just born for greatness.

john80

The Russians have fallen foul of their current predicament. The internet and hackers has made it more difficult to take the Russian approach of "wasn't me". In the good old days no one would ever find out you gave the Salisbury tourist a medal in your current job that you are now saying he is just a tourist. Only the thick skinned need apply for the united nations as everyone laughing at your fanciful story has got to be a bit hurtful if you cared at all about credibility.

pblakeney

john80 wrote:

The Russians have fallen foul of their current predicament. The internet and hackers has made it more difficult to take the Russian approach of "wasn't me". In the good old days no one would ever find out you gave the Salisbury tourist a medal in your current job that you are now saying he is just a tourist. Only the thick skinned need apply for the united nations as everyone laughing at your fanciful story has got to be a bit hurtful if you cared at all about credibility.

I am awaiting the "Meh, what are you going to do about it?" response.

surrey_commuter

PBlakeney wrote:

john80 wrote:

The Russians have fallen foul of their current predicament. The internet and hackers has made it more difficult to take the Russian approach of "wasn't me". In the good old days no one would ever find out you gave the Salisbury tourist a medal in your current job that you are now saying he is just a tourist. Only the thick skinned need apply for the united nations as everyone laughing at your fanciful story has got to be a bit hurtful if you cared at all about credibility.

I am awaiting the "Meh, what are you going to do about it?" response.

I think they assumed that we understood that when they chose their method

Vino'sGhost

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

john80 wrote:

The Russians have fallen foul of their current predicament. The internet and hackers has made it more difficult to take the Russian approach of "wasn't me". In the good old days no one would ever find out you gave the Salisbury tourist a medal in your current job that you are now saying he is just a tourist. Only the thick skinned need apply for the united nations as everyone laughing at your fanciful story has got to be a bit hurtful if you cared at all about credibility.

I am awaiting the "Meh, what are you going to do about it?" response.

I think they assumed that we understood that when they chose their method

This

robert88

Shirley Basso wrote:

Well the Saudis appear to have murdered a Turkish journalist in their own embassy, which the Saudis deny.

Russians send spies across the globe to murder defectors.

Dotard just says fake news.

Washington, DC - A bipartisan and influential group of US senators called on President Donald Trump to investigate and potentially sanction Saudi Arabia under US human rights law for the disappearance and alleged murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
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"If there is more evidence, and as one would expect, it turns out he was actually killed deliberately, I think it is going to be a turning point in how American political elites view Saudi Arabia. It is going to be a game-changer in perception," Shibley Telhami, a pollster at the University of Maryland, told Al Jazeera.
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Trump recently embarrassed the Saudis saying in US political rallies the monarchy is propped up by US military power and "wouldn't last two weeks" without US support.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/ ... 18573.html

Istanbul, Turkey - President Donald Trump said he has spoken to officials at the highest level in Saudi Arabia about the disappearance of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi and wants the United States to get to the bottom of the matter.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/ ... 18573.html

tangled_metal

R4 today has a guest analyst who stated usa needed Saudis less than Saudis need usa and if the royal family decides it was a strategic mistake to n assassinate the journalist then that doesn't bode well for the prince's chances of assuming power. Or words to that effect.

Basically us republicans are calling for action over this. If they're doing that then you bet it's serious mistake for the Prince. Republicans are actually calling for sanctions I heard.

I suspect there could be a bit of a shuffling of the decks in Saudi Arabia again once the dust has settled. Afterall the way the political power is set up over there you only get the top job if you have the right support. If that goes you're in trouble. I doubt any crown prince would stand long if key family members were subject to us sanctions. Hit their money they'll hit back.

shirley_basso

interesting articles, thanks.

Saudi Royal family does like the odd disappearance.

Pretty revolting / archaic regime. However, their fairly no-nonsense style of government does seem to keep the peace out there, all the while funding the most conservative Islam 'schools'. 15/19 hijackers from the 9/11 attacks were originally from Saudi Arabia.

bianchimoon

Don’t forget the atrocities the Saudis are committing in the Yemen, the regime of prince Mohammed promised a lot in the early days with some of its social reforms. The west will brush over this, governments need their oil dollars too much.

tangled_metal

America becoming more self sufficient in hydrocarbons might make for a good time for them to do something about the Saudis regime. Afterall it was a British initiated regime I believe so appropriate that America sorts it out. Sort of old empire new empire thing. Then China can take over when it assumes the top dog role.

pblakeney

Rumour has it that the Saudis will finally admit to killing him.
By “accident during interrogations”. Will leave more questions than answers.

Matthewfalle

bianchimoon wrote:

Don’t forget the atrocities the Saudis are committing in the Yemen, the regime of prince Mohammed promised a lot in the early days with some of its social reforms. Trump will brush over this, he needs their oil dollars too much.

FTFY - hope that's ok.

rolf_f

PBlakeney wrote:

Rumour has it that the Saudis will finally admit to killing him.
By “accident during interrogations”. Will leave more questions than answers.

Presumably he was also "dismembered by accident" as well. These things happen. Normal day at the office etc (at least if you are Saudi).

arthur_scrimshaw

Shirley Basso wrote:

Well the Saudis appear to have murdered a Turkish journalist in their own embassy, which the Saudis deny.

Russians send spies across the globe to murder defectors.

Dotard just says fake news.

Trump's fake news agenda silences and discredits dissent, things like the disenfranchisement of large sections of voters in the US, his desire for the removal of fixed term presidency and limits to the number of times an individual can stand for the office, his admiration for dictators shows where he stands on democracy. Once that is out of the way he can behave exactly like the Russians and Saudis (and don't forget the Chinese).

Really hope the US doesn't allow that to happen. Not overly hopeful because a lot of people seem to think this isn't an issue and keep supporting him.

pblakeney

Coming to the conclusion that like the Russians, the Saudis know they’ve been caught but don’t care. He died under interrogation but they don’t know where the body is?
Did he make a break for it after being killed?

tangled_metal

Don't be daft! He walked out under his own steam. There's cctv footage to prove it. The rest is fake news.

FishFish

I think that you will find that the Saudis and Israelis have identical processes so let us not get too partisan.

The scotch are the best for media control, fake messaging and adumbration (look it up) and they wear skirts. And I was born there so - FACT leaving aside the obvious tautology.

robert88

FishFish wrote:

I think that you will find that the Saudis and Israelis have identical processes so let us not get too partisan.

The scotch are the best for media control, fake messaging and adumbration (look it up) and they wear skirts. And I was born there so - FACT leaving aside the obvious tautology.

Being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse!

pblakeney

Robert88 wrote:

FishFish wrote:

I think that you will find that the Saudis and Israelis have identical processes so let us not get too partisan.

The scotch are the best for media control, fake messaging and adumbration (look it up) and they wear skirts. And I was born there so - FACT leaving aside the obvious tautology.

Being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse!

Also, no Scotsman would ever refer to themselves as “scotch”.
That’s a drink.

dinyull

PBlakeney wrote:

Coming to the conclusion that like the Russians, the Saudis know they’ve been caught but don’t care. He died under interrogation but they don’t know where the body is?
Did he make a break for it after being killed?

Of course they don't. What are people going to do, they've got most govts over a barrel or F-15.

If anything this general reaction will spur them on.

FishFish

Robert88 wrote:

FishFish wrote:

I think that you will find that the Saudis and Israelis have identical processes so let us not get too partisan.

The scotch are the best for media control, fake messaging and adumbration (look it up) and they wear skirts. And I was born there so - FACT leaving aside the obvious tautology.

Being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse!

Statistically it does.

FishFish

PBlakeney wrote:

Also, no Scotsman would ever refer to themselves as “scotch”.
That’s a drink.

I was born in Fort William (Fort Bill to us scotch) and grew up in Eocher ( Iochdar to the true scotch) / Inverness and my Alma Mater is The University. (That is how us scotch refer to Glasgow University).

Your sexist remark discriminates against scotch 'women' and you can wonder why I've encapsulated the object but I as a European dismiss my heritage as unimportant. For completeness I also dismiss scotchland as unimportant.

The drink is not 'scotch' as you put it but Scotch - I'll leave it abbreviated in case I misspell Whiskey.

rjsterry

FishFish wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FishFish wrote:

I think that you will find that the Saudis and Israelis have identical processes so let us not get too partisan.

The scotch are the best for media control, fake messaging and adumbration (look it up) and they wear skirts. And I was born there so - FACT leaving aside the obvious tautology.

Being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse!

Statistically it does.

Statistically it makes you stomoxys calcitrans

pblakeney

FishFish wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Also, no Scotsman would ever refer to themselves as “scotch”.
That’s a drink.

I was born in Fort William (Fort Bill to us scotch) and grew up in Eocher ( Iochdar to the true scotch) / Inverness and my Alma Mater is The University. (That is how us scotch refer to Glasgow University).

Your sexist remark discriminates against scotch 'women' and you can wonder why I've encapsulated the object but I as a European dismiss my heritage as unimportant. For completeness I also dismiss scotchland as unimportant.

The drink is not 'scotch' as you put it but Scotch - I'll leave it abbreviated in case I misspell Whiskey.

robert88

FishFish wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

FishFish wrote:

I think that you will find that the Saudis and Israelis have identical processes so let us not get too partisan.

The scotch are the best for media control, fake messaging and adumbration (look it up) and they wear skirts. And I was born there so - FACT leaving aside the obvious tautology.

Being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse!

Statistically it does.

Not at all. Show me the mathematical proof.

FishFish

Well there is no 'proof'. But the assertion is that most horses are born in stables hence the probability of a horse being born in a stable is higher than not. There has been no assertion that anything else is born in stables - leaving aside ticks, bacteria, sons of God - so statistically being born in a stable makes you a horse. Not certainly but likely.

You can use the same argument that if you were born in a maternity ward it is likely that you are human. I don't know if you were born in a maternity ward or if you are human so I cannot personalise it.