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Floyd Landis- New Team funded by drugs.

alanparsonsalanparsons Posts: 529
edited October 2018 in Pro race
Floyd Landis setting up new team funded by money from LA and drug company.
What do we think of him promoting riding to a youth team?
BBC article here:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/45753716

No doubt lots more to be found elsewhere on tinternet.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,213
    I hope it brings him peace enough to stop being so bloomin' self-righteous...

    If he's just an Andy Riis (RIP) style sugar-daddie I can kind of accept that.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    The Canada-based team will be sponsored by 42-year-old Landis' cannabis business.
    "I have a conflicted relationship with cycling, but I still like it," he said

    He's only 4 years older than Valverde, amazing. Yeah give it a go Floyd feed the pro teams.
  • Vino'sGhostVino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?

    this - very well put.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Vino'sGhostVino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?

    this - very well put.

    i thank you.
  • well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?

    Personally I haven't got a problem with it/him at all. I think it is a slightly ironic use of the money he received from the LA thing on a cycle team, and his cannabis business it obviously legitimate in the US.

    Landis's drugging was so spectacular/stupid/obvious I almost find it funny in hindsight.
  • Vino'sGhostVino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?

    Personally I haven't got a problem with it/him at all. I think it is a slightly ironic use of the money he received from the LA thing on a cycle team, and his cannabis business it obviously legitimate in the US.

    Landis's drugging was so spectacular/stupid/obvious I almost find it funny in hindsight.

    I watched that stage it was brilliant absolutely hillarious. I loved it.
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?

    Exactly I mean it's been more than two years he apologised still loves cycling. Join the rest of the pro teams.

    It's the third chapter in his life, a new fresh start.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,498
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?
    Things that Landis did that Millar didn't

    Intimidate and mental denigrate Greg LeMond by pretending to be his childhood abuser
    Hack the UCI computers
    Claim innocence for four years
    Write a book about how how innocent he was
    Crowdfund money for his legal defence
    Continually cast aspertions against current riders despite not being at a race in Europe for over a decade
    Claim to be a whistleblower despite still doping once he left US Postal
    Still maintain he didn't take the testosterone he tested positive for (presumably to avoid a perjury charge)

    He's right up there with the very worst people this sport has seen.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    RichN95 wrote:
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?
    Things that Landis did that Millar didn't

    Intimidate and mental denigrate Greg LeMond by pretending to be his childhood abuser
    Hack the UCI computers
    Claim innocence for four years
    Write a book about how how innocent he was
    Crowdfund money for his legal defence
    Continually cast aspertions against current riders despite not being at a race in Europe for over a decade
    Claim to be a whistleblower despite still doping once he left US Postal
    Still maintain he didn't take the testosterone he tested positive for (presumably to avoid a perjury charge)

    He's right up there with the very worst people this sport has seen.

    Yeah but if he apologised, surely he should be given another chance?
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,213
    Has he though?

    I dunno honestly I thought he went beyond a joke some time ago and haven't paid attention...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ddraver wrote:
    Has he though?

    I dunno honestly I thought he went beyond a joke some time ago and haven't paid attention...

    I think he really means it this time.
  • Vino'sGhostVino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    RichN95 wrote:
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?
    Things that Landis did that Millar didn't

    Intimidate and mental denigrate Greg LeMond by pretending to be his childhood abuser
    Hack the UCI computers
    Claim innocence for four years
    Write a book about how how innocent he was
    Crowdfund money for his legal defence
    Continually cast aspertions against current riders despite not being at a race in Europe for over a decade
    Claim to be a whistleblower despite still doping once he left US Postal
    Still maintain he didn't take the testosterone he tested positive for (presumably to avoid a perjury charge)

    He's right up there with the very worst people this sport has seen.

    he's good isnt he. And generally peoples motivation is dulled by canabis, this guys made a business out of it! Full respect.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,498
    Oh and I left out that his doping drove his father-in-law to suicide
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    RichN95 wrote:
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?
    Things that Landis did that Millar didn't

    Intimidate and mental denigrate Greg LeMond by pretending to be his childhood abuser
    Hack the UCI computers
    Claim innocence for four years
    Write a book about how how innocent he was
    Crowdfund money for his legal defence
    Continually cast aspertions against current riders despite not being at a race in Europe for over a decade
    Claim to be a whistleblower despite still doping once he left US Postal
    Still maintain he didn't take the testosterone he tested positive for (presumably to avoid a perjury charge)

    He's right up there with the very worst people this sport has seen.

    he's good isnt he. And generally peoples motivation is dulled by canabis, this guys made a business out of it! Full respect.

    Yep. lets hope his business grows so he can get back into the GC race with all the other pro teams. He's different this time he want change and love cycling.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,213
    FocusZing wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Has he though?

    I dunno honestly I thought he went beyond a joke some time ago and haven't paid attention...

    I think he really means it this time.

    "I'm contrite about what happened, but you can never go back and change the decisions you made. At the very least, people can see that I'm ready to move on," he said.
    "Maybe it sounds odd, but it's kind of some closure for me."

    Is not, "I'm sorry I doped, it was a mistake"...is it
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ddraver wrote:
    FocusZing wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    Has he though?

    I dunno honestly I thought he went beyond a joke some time ago and haven't paid attention...

    I think he really means it this time.

    "I'm contrite about what happened, but you can never go back and change the decisions you made. At the very least, people can see that I'm ready to move on," he said.
    "Maybe it sounds odd, but it's kind of some closure for me."

    Is not, "I'm sorry I doped, it was a mistake"...is it

    Give it a couple of months, a year. I'm sure he will it's in his interest to.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,213
    So actually he hasn't apologised at all then...

    point made I think...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ddraver wrote:
    So actually he hasn't apologised at all then...

    point made I think...

    Yeah sure just as long as he gets to start his team. Say whatever people want to hear.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,785
    I have no problem with it though it will be odd if they compete in States or countries where it is illegal.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,785
    Seems like it could be built around the old Jelly Belly team. From sweets to pot, kids of today.

    Seriously, how does it work if they race in a state or country where it’s illegal?
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,213
    Dunno, I guess they re ok if they don't call it something openly pro-drug

    Team Sky-High?

    THC Doob-ama

    O-Marijuana SpliffStep

    ...shame AquaBong racing went bust this year...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    edited October 2018
    ddraver wrote:
    Dunno, I guess they re ok if they don't call it something openly pro-drug

    Team Sky-High?

    THC Doob-ama

    O-Marijuana SpliffStep

    ...shame AquaBong racing went bust this year...

    Ha, brilliant.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 23,213
    (there's got to be more...)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • FocusZingFocusZing Posts: 4,373
    ddraver wrote:
    (there's got to be more...)

    Well you have to laugh at it and try and find the limit of some peoples morality.
  • redvisionredvision Posts: 2,748
    RichN95 wrote:
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?
    Things that Landis did that Millar didn't

    Intimidate and mental denigrate Greg LeMond by pretending to be his childhood abuser
    Hack the UCI computers
    Claim innocence for four years
    Write a book about how how innocent he was
    Crowdfund money for his legal defence
    Continually cast aspertions against current riders despite not being at a race in Europe for over a decade
    Claim to be a whistleblower despite still doping once he left US Postal
    Still maintain he didn't take the testosterone he tested positive for (presumably to avoid a perjury charge)

    He's right up there with the very worst people this sport has seen.

    It doesn't bother me that he's starting a team, with the difficulty teams are having surviving, a new team starting up is always a positive. What does bother me though is when you look at Rich's list of things detailing what Landis did, how is it fair and just that he can start a team yet Armstrong isn't allowed near any type of race?

    I'm not in any way inferring Landis was as bad as Armstrong, but there are similarities and yet one would appear to have served his time and is now going to be allowed back in to the sport, whilst the other continues to be crucified and punished with a lifetime ban.

    Just doesn't seem fair.
  • Vino'sGhostVino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    redvision wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    well we dont mind St Millar being the face of cycling on terrestrial TV and hes not putting money in. Why would we have a problem with llandis?
    Things that Landis did that Millar didn't

    Intimidate and mental denigrate Greg LeMond by pretending to be his childhood abuser
    Hack the UCI computers
    Claim innocence for four years
    Write a book about how how innocent he was
    Crowdfund money for his legal defence
    Continually cast aspertions against current riders despite not being at a race in Europe for over a decade
    Claim to be a whistleblower despite still doping once he left US Postal
    Still maintain he didn't take the testosterone he tested positive for (presumably to avoid a perjury charge)

    He's right up there with the very worst people this sport has seen.

    It doesn't bother me that he's starting a team, with the difficulty teams are having surviving, a new team starting up is always a positive. What does bother me though is when you look at Rich's list of things detailing what Landis did, how is it fair and just that he can start a team yet Armstrong isn't allowed near any type of race?

    I'm not in any way inferring Landis was as bad as Armstrong, but there are similarities and yet one would appear to have served his time and is now going to be allowed back in to the sport, whilst the other continues to be crucified and punished with a lifetime ban.

    Just doesn't seem fair.

    I think Armstrong was a whole different level. Utterly vile in the way he went about destroying lives. As it happens Armstrong is having something of a renaissance with his pod cast and various other bits and pieces. He is being slowly re integrated.
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 7,313
    redvision wrote:


    It doesn't bother me that he's starting a team, with the difficulty teams are having surviving, a new team starting up is always a positive. What does bother me though is when you look at Rich's list of things detailing what Landis did, how is it fair and just that he can start a team yet Armstrong isn't allowed near any type of race?

    I'm not in any way inferring Landis was as bad as Armstrong, but there are similarities and yet one would appear to have served his time and is now going to be allowed back in to the sport, whilst the other continues to be crucified and punished with a lifetime ban.

    Just doesn't seem fair.

    I'm with redvision on this, Armstrong should have any sanctions against him lifted as of now.
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 8,983
    Landis is just taking the proverbial, no? Got a nice bung from the the court action settlements against Armstrong (ironic? No just plain wrong), what to do with said dosh, I know I'll set up a cycling team. Nyah nyah ne nyah etc
  • carbonclemcarbonclem Posts: 1,000
    Its an absolute crying shame that cycling is so desperate for sponsors that it can never be in a position to be fussy about its sources. Inner Ring has done a couple of articles on cyclings dirty money in the past and ultimately Landis' is more of the same albeit on a smaller scale.

    Yeah, its good to see money coming it, but really, the guy is a repugnant sleazebag ... no?
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