Brake, brake, braaake!

zest28

Craigus89 wrote:

Zest28 wrote:

Craigus89 wrote:

First Aspect wrote:

Am I the only one who pulses the brakes in the wet to begin with, to shed some of the water that's built up?

You might be one of the few who seem to understand that there is a skill solution rather than a purchasable solution.

Nobody in mountainbiking uses rim brakes. That is evidence enough for me that rim brakes suck for braking.

And have fun destroying your carbons wheels.

Well done with the useless comparison to MTB. I won't be destroying my carbon wheels any time soon, I know how to brake properly

Useless comparison? If I am spending $10k+ on a superbike and it does not have the ease of braking and control that my cheaper mountainbikes have, I am finding it a big joke.

Well, that is what you say now untill you do a proper descent and the carbon wheel fails due to overheating.

craigus89

Zest28 wrote:

Craigus89 wrote:

Zest28 wrote:

Craigus89 wrote:

First Aspect wrote:

Am I the only one who pulses the brakes in the wet to begin with, to shed some of the water that's built up?

You might be one of the few who seem to understand that there is a skill solution rather than a purchasable solution.

Nobody in mountainbiking uses rim brakes. That is evidence enough for me that rim brakes suck for braking.

And have fun destroying your carbons wheels.

Well done with the useless comparison to MTB. I won't be destroying my carbon wheels any time soon, I know how to brake properly

Useless comparison? If I am spending $10k+ on a superbike and it does not have the ease of braking and control that my cheaper mountainbikes have, I am finding it a big joke.

Well, that is what you say now untill you do a proper descent and the carbon wheel fails due to overheating.

Proper descent? Funny how the pros don't tend to suffer from this carbon failure with all the descending they do.

Stop talking bollocks.

norvernrob

Zest28 wrote:

Craigus89 wrote:

Zest28 wrote:

Craigus89 wrote:

First Aspect wrote:

Am I the only one who pulses the brakes in the wet to begin with, to shed some of the water that's built up?

You might be one of the few who seem to understand that there is a skill solution rather than a purchasable solution.

Nobody in mountainbiking uses rim brakes. That is evidence enough for me that rim brakes suck for braking.

And have fun destroying your carbons wheels.

Well done with the useless comparison to MTB. I won't be destroying my carbon wheels any time soon, I know how to brake properly

Useless comparison? If I am spending $10k+ on a superbike and it does not have the ease of braking and control that my cheaper mountainbikes have, I am finding it a big joke.

Well, that is what you say now untill you do a proper descent and the carbon wheel fails due to overheating.

I’ve just been to the Alps with my mate who was on carbon wheels. Multiple mountain descents including crappy gravel surfaces (Sabot, Collet, Sarenne) where you had to brake a lot. He had no issues whatsoever.

Maybe they’ll fail when he does a proper descent though. :roll:

zest28

You really want to compare amateurs to Pro’s who are riding the latest and the greatest with unlimited wheels and bikes available for free? Sure, if you buy new carbon wheels after every ride, you will also be fine.

Also Pro’s ride on closed roads where they have the entire road available for themselves and thus can take racing lines that you shouldn’t do. Sure, you can ride like a pro if you want but it will have severe consequences at some point.

“I know a guy who did a descent in the Alp ones and he was fine so it is good”.

Well, I know a guy who got badly injured doing a descent when his carbon wheel failed. After many months of recovery he now also rides discs.

thegreatdivide

Zest28 wrote:

You really want to compare amateurs to Pro’s who are riding the latest and the greatest with unlimited wheels and bikes available for free? Sure, if you buy new carbon wheels after every ride, you will also be fine.

Also Pro’s ride on closed roads where they have the entire road available for themselves and thus can take racing lines that you shouldn’t do. Sure, you can ride like a pro if you want but it will have severe consequences at some point.

“I know a guy who did a descent in the Alp ones and he was fine so it is good”.

Well, I know a guy who got badly injured doing a descent when his carbon wheel failed. After many months of recovery he now also rides discs.

Does your mum know you’re on the internet so late on a school night?

craigus89

Zest28 wrote:

You really want to compare amateurs to Pro’s who are riding the latest and the greatest with unlimited wheels and bikes available for free? Sure, if you buy new carbon wheels after every ride, you will also be fine.

Also Pro’s ride on closed roads where they have the entire road available for themselves and thus can take racing lines that you shouldn’t do. Sure, you can ride like a pro if you want but it will have severe consequences at some point.

“I know a guy who did a descent in the Alp ones and he was fine so it is good”.

Well, I know a guy who got badly injured doing a descent when his carbon wheel failed. After many months of recovery he now also rides discs.

So a 'proper descent' in your book means dragging your brakes for 8 miles taking bad lines?

Sounds like your mate doesn't know how to brake properly either. If I were you I'd have discs too, and the air ambulance on speed dial.

zest28

Some random forum nobody who has accomplished nothing in cycling says that a former national champion cannot brake. How pathetic. He is a far better road cyclist then 99.9% of the people here.

Thanks all for proving to me how useless this place is. Pretty much any respectable rider I know pretty much is on my side. No I idea why I signed up here and I will be leaving this place cause there is no value here.

mouth

Zest28 wrote:

Some random forum nobody who has accomplished nothing in cycling says that a former national champion cannot brake. How pathetic. He is a far better road cyclist then 99.9% of the people here.

Thanks all for proving to me how useless this place is. Pretty much any respectable rider I know pretty much is on my side. No I idea why I signed up here and I will be leaving this place cause there is no value here.

Better make sure the door doesn't hit your behind in the way out then.

mouth

Craigus89 wrote:

You might be one of the few who seem to understand that there is a skill solution rather than a purchasable solution.

When I started reading the original post on this thread, my initial thoughts were "does XTC have a car for wet weather and a car for dry, or does he change the way he drives?" I'm of the opinion that the best upgrades anyone will ever make to their bike usually start with the squishy bit on the top.

roger_merriman

Mouth wrote:

Craigus89 wrote:

You might be one of the few who seem to understand that there is a skill solution rather than a purchasable solution.

When I started reading the original post on this thread, my initial thoughts were "does XTC have a car for wet weather and a car for dry, or does he change the way he drives?" I'm of the opinion that the best upgrades anyone will ever make to their bike usually start with the squishy bit on the top.

Clearly yes, go to any mass event etc, and you’ll see a whole range of skills, this said my last road bike was a CX with canties, it’s braking was woeful, you had to be a lot more careful, than with present road bike (gravel) that is cable disks which remains unremarkable what ever the weather, the main issue is you need to adjust as the pads wear, unlike Hydro systems which are fire and forget.

jgsi

Just a random thought that crosses my mind often on my urban commute.
It seems a modern trend for drivers to honk it towards traffic lights or junctions etc, then double honk it on the brakes in the last 20 to 10 metres. This reliance on technology that 'never fails' perhaps has crossed over, when said modern driver takes to 2 wheels at the weekend.
I may be wrong.