TDF 2018, Stage 11: Albertville > La Rosière Espace San Bernardo 18/07/2018 - 108,5 km *Spoilers

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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    knedlicky wrote:
    Ooft, the three amigos just got done over big style.
    Good days racing mainly down to Dumoulin being able to animate.
    Why so little credit to Movistar/Valverde for trying to animate, and not at the last kms, like so often the case. They gambled and they lost but at least they (=Valverde) gave it a go.
    Also well done to Nieve, to 2x Cofidis and Alaphilippe for being so long near the front, and Barguil for showing he isn't a wash-out. They all animated the race too.

    Valverde was never a real contender. If he was sky wouldn't have given him a 90 secondss head start. If movistar really wanted to stir thngs up they'd be using the other 2. Although i suspect sky would let quintana go as well
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • ben@31
    ben@31 Posts: 2,327
    RichN95 wrote:
    Kittel finished 12 seconds outside the time limit. Cavendish still out there somewhere.

    Does Cav want to borrow my bike lights? It'll be getting dark soon.
    "The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Hincapie made a good point on the Armstrong podcast - if Thomas was genuinely co-leader who would have worked with Dumoulin.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    iainf72 wrote:
    When Thomas attacked every other rider needed to hold their nerve and let Froome chase.
    If they're not prepared to do that Sky will walk away with this race.

    If they don't chase, they lose. It's like if Froome attacked now, Thomas can just sit there and let them chase and react to it.

    In the moment Thomas attacked today the Thomas/Froome co leader thing became Sky's problem. Had everyone held their nerve Froome would have had to chase or watch Thomas ride away with *his* tour

    Now they're in the box seat as you describe. I can't see Thomas attacking again.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    Quintana can't cope with Froome's accelerations but hasn't Dumolin's pacing instincts
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • G Hincapie
    G Hincapie Posts: 78
    There aren't enough tears for Cav. Where are the tears? :(

    I am a sad Panda; albeit a sad Panda that has just had a nice grilled salmon and avacado bagel, so I am still very upset, but not hysterical as I might otherwise be.

    Poor Cav :(
  • andytee87
    andytee87 Posts: 414
    Quintana can't cope with Froome's accelerations but hasn't Dumolin's pacing instincts

    Theres still a part of me that thinks Quintana is going to pull out his real passport and admit hes 38, and gave Movistar a forged birth certificate when he signed.

    I know Uran got banged up in Roubaix but doesn't look like them training on back in Columbia beats racing kms
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    G Hincapie wrote:
    There aren't enough tears for Cav. Where are the tears? :(

    I am a sad Panda; albeit a sad Panda that has just had a nice grilled salmon and avacado bagel, so I am still very upset, but not hysterical as I might otherwise be.

    Poor Cav :(

    You should be too busy educating people about sexual harassment to eat that middle class rubbish.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    iainf72 wrote:
    When Thomas attacked every other rider needed to hold their nerve and let Froome chase.
    If they're not prepared to do that Sky will walk away with this race.

    If they don't chase, they lose. It's like if Froome attacked now, Thomas can just sit there and let them chase and react to it.

    This is why teams like Movistar turn up with 3 leaders.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    RichN95 wrote:
    Hincapie made a good point on the Armstrong podcast - if Thomas was genuinely co-leader who would have worked with Dumoulin.

    If Thomas doesn’t collapse it’s pretty awkward for Froome to grab it.

    It’d have to be a Sastre esq move while Thomas shadows.
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    What happened to Landa? I was expecting more, perhaps still recovering from the crash on the cobbles.

    Another great ride from Dan.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    RichN95 wrote:
    Boasson Hagen got a two minute penalty because he needed a replacement bike and borrowed one off Sky.

    Yes that’s like that time Porte got a wheel from Nofsje team.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    Dan deserves a better team, he'd be in with a shout of the podium but for the TTT. He still could be I suppose if the Giro takes its toll and / or G cracks.
  • hypster
    hypster Posts: 1,229
    RichN95 wrote:
    Hincapie made a good point on the Armstrong podcast - if Thomas was genuinely co-leader who would have worked with Dumoulin.

    If Thomas doesn’t collapse it’s pretty awkward for Froome to grab it.

    It’d have to be a Sastre esq move while Thomas shadows.

    I think in his yellow jersey interview on the highlights show tonight G implied he could see what's coming, possibly tomorrow or maybe Sky will just keep the status quo until stage 17 in the Pyranees. At least that would reward him for all his effort with several days in yellow.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Millar had a nice story about Cavendish on the ITV podcast. He said he went down to somewhere called 'diversion' near the finish (probably where the vehicles pull off) to see Cavendish finish and he found Rod Ellingworth there. He asked Ellingworth why he was there and he said he felt a little bit responsible for it as he'd drilled into him as a junior that you always finish a race. And despite all Sky's success today he made time to clap Cavendish across the line.
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    RichN95 wrote:
    Millar had a nice story about Cavendish on the ITV podcast. He said he went down to somewhere called 'diversion' near the finish (probably where the vehicles pull off) to see Cavendish finish and he found Rod Ellingworth there. He asked Ellingworth why he was there and he said he felt a little bit responsible for it as he'd drilled into him as a junior that you always finish a race. And despite all Sky's success today he made time to clap Cavendish across the line.

    Diversion is where sky send staff members to throw the authorities off the scent while another staffer gets the drugs. Its so crazy it just might work.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    RichN95 wrote:
    Millar had a nice story about Cavendish on the ITV podcast. He said he went down to somewhere called 'diversion' near the finish (probably where the vehicles pull off) to see Cavendish finish and he found Rod Ellingworth there. He asked Ellingworth why he was there and he said he felt a little bit responsible for it as he'd drilled into him as a junior that you always finish a race. And despite all Sky's success today he made time to clap Cavendish across the line.

    Yes. I think people notice that. It would be good if ITV4 get Cav on the commentary. I know they have before. I like his current insight.
  • ds2288
    ds2288 Posts: 36
    RichN95 wrote:
    Hincapie made a good point on the Armstrong podcast - if Thomas was genuinely co-leader who would have worked with Dumoulin.

    If Thomas doesn’t collapse it’s pretty awkward for Froome to grab it.

    It’d have to be a Sastre esq move while Thomas shadows.

    Yep. Interesting to see if Sky let them race. For the interests of the racing spectators, that's the best outcome. The strongest racer wins. I'd be terribly disappointed if Froome is handed the yellow by GT by a "team order". A true racer wouldn't want that, you'd want to win it off your own back. But, I guess professional sport doesn't always work that way.

    Cav sent home. Surprised if he gets a guernsey at the tour ever again. Kittel in the same boat. Movistar need to re-assess their team. Quintana is done for this Tour. Best hope looks to be Landa but tven then, this team must be bitterly disappointed in their performances both last year and this year.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    The ideal situation would be them both get to the final time trial with them both in with a chance - maybe Dumoulin too.

    Although not that ideal, because my cousin is getting married that day.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    RichN95 wrote:
    The ideal situation would be them both get to the final time trial with them both in with a chance - maybe Dumoulin too.

    Although not that ideal, because my cousin is getting married that day.

    As is my niece, so no, not ideal.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    RichN95 wrote:
    The ideal situation would be them both get to the final time trial with them both in with a chance - maybe Dumoulin too.

    Although not that ideal, because my cousin is getting married that day.

    As is my niece, so no, not ideal.
    At least you niece might want to watch it herself (if it's the niece I'm thinking of). I'll be looking at a phone under the table during the speeches.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    RichN95 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    The ideal situation would be them both get to the final time trial with them both in with a chance - maybe Dumoulin too.

    Although not that ideal, because my cousin is getting married that day.

    As is my niece, so no, not ideal.
    At least you niece might want to watch it herself (if it's the niece I'm thinking of). I'll be looking at a phone under the table during the speeches.

    It's her big sis.
    Next year for her.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • mamil314
    mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    Pross wrote:
    Dan deserves a better team, he'd be in with a shout of the podium but for the TTT. He still could be I suppose if the Giro takes its toll and / or G cracks.


    UAE should contract Dumoulin. Now that would be dynamic duo!
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    RichN95 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    The ideal situation would be them both get to the final time trial with them both in with a chance - maybe Dumoulin too.

    Although not that ideal, because my cousin is getting married that day.

    As is my niece, so no, not ideal.
    At least you niece might want to watch it herself (if it's the niece I'm thinking of). I'll be looking at a phone under the table during the speeches.

    It's her big sis.
    Next year for her.

    She's marrying her sister?
  • mamil314
    mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    G Hincapie wrote:
    There aren't enough tears for Cav. Where are the tears? :(

    I am a sad Panda; albeit a sad Panda that has just had a nice grilled salmon and avacado bagel, so I am still very upset, but not hysterical as I might otherwise be.

    Poor Cav :(

    More gutted for Nieve tbh.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,340
    iainf72 wrote:
    When Thomas attacked every other rider needed to hold their nerve and let Froome chase.
    If they're not prepared to do that Sky will walk away with this race.

    If they don't chase, they lose. It's like if Froome attacked now, Thomas can just sit there and let them chase and react to it.

    This is why teams like Movistar turn up with 3 leaders.

    Well, no, because everybody can just sit there and not bother chasing when one of the Movistar boys attacks. They'll be coming back to you soon enough.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    mamil314 wrote:
    G Hincapie wrote:
    There aren't enough tears for Cav. Where are the tears? :(

    I am a sad Panda; albeit a sad Panda that has just had a nice grilled salmon and avacado bagel, so I am still very upset, but not hysterical as I might otherwise be.

    Poor Cav :(

    More gutted for Nieve tbh.
    Even Thomas sounded a little bit gutted for him
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    G Hincapie wrote:
    There aren't enough tears for Cav. Where are the tears? :(

    I am a sad Panda; albeit a sad Panda that has just had a nice grilled salmon and avacado bagel, so I am still very upset, but not hysterical as I might otherwise be.

    Poor Cav :(

    I'm gutted for Cav. Regardless of intention, Sagan really did a number on him last year...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,599
    RichN95 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    The ideal situation would be them both get to the final time trial with them both in with a chance - maybe Dumoulin too.

    Although not that ideal, because my cousin is getting married that day.

    As is my niece, so no, not ideal.
    At least you niece might want to watch it herself (if it's the niece I'm thinking of). I'll be looking at a phone under the table during the speeches.

    It's her big sis.
    Next year for her.

    Should still apply though surely? They should have it on a big screen!