Best post workout drink?
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mamil314 wrote:Chocolate milk is a nice option due to carb to protein ratio, being effective at rehydration and having a mild anti inflamatory effect. Regrettably, i seem to have stopped tolerating milk in my old age. It turns out, water and meal are also pretty darn good.
We used to use chocolate milk, it's very good vfm for what it gives you for sure, highly recommended.
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I drink kefir since i do not appear to have problem with fermented milk products. It's very refreshing and my gut seems to operate better.
Did not care much for the taste of nut and soy 'milks'.0 -
mamil314 wrote:I drink kefir since i do not appear to have problem with fermented milk products. It's very refreshing and my gut seems to operate better.
Did not care much for the taste of nut and soy 'milks'.
Kefir is great, but expensive if bought. I might try looking in to making my own.0 -
Here's my shake mix:
1.) 1 Scoop of Gold Standard Whey Protein (Isolate) - Roughly 28 Grams protein. 2.) 5 Grams of Creatine Monohydrate (German CreaPure - Supposedly the best!) 3.) Around 20grams of Dextrose (To help Creatine Absorption)0 -
I find cooking sherry is quite good.0
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Whey protein is the ‘snake oil’ of the activities / fitness market. It’s a by product of dairy processing, they essentially take a useless / worthless waste product, and then market it to the gullible, with a price tag.0
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Milemuncher1 wrote:Whey protein is the ‘snake oil’ of the activities / fitness market. It’s a by product of dairy processing, they essentially take a useless / worthless waste product, and then market it to the gullible, with a price tag.
That's bullshit.
Since starting to drink protein shakes after rides, I've noticed I no longer wake up with heavy sore legs. If i don't have a shake after a ride, the next day my legs are terrible.
There is clearly a benefit to using it otherwise it wouldn't exist and be used by 99.9% of the professionals in the world.0 -
We're a big plant milk house. Our recycling scheme now takes tetrapak so we can recycle the cartons. That's only happened recently though, and we used to have to take them to a local recycling centre (half a mile down the road at Tesco). However, as we get through more than a litre a day it was getting expensive so we make our own now, using an Almond Cow. We've used it for soy, almond, oat, cashew and hazelnut milks. Haven't cracked the soy milk yet - need to work on how I prep the dried beans - but the others have been fine.Daniel B wrote:The only think that annoys me, is that you can only (seemingly) buy them in 1l containers, which I don't think can be recycled.0 -
It's actually surprisingly accurate. Unless you're big in to body building most of us get enough protein from our food and don't need to supplement. The important thing you need for recovery is carbs - to replace your depleted energy stores.Dannbodge wrote:That's bullshit.
Anecdotal - proves nothing.Since starting to drink protein shakes after rides, I've noticed I no longer wake up with heavy sore legs. If i don't have a shake after a ride, the next day my legs are terrible.There is clearly a benefit to using it otherwise it wouldn't exist and be used by 99.9% of the professionals in the world.
Are you a pro? If not, then the benefit is going to be rather less than any sales/marketing material would have you believe.0 -
JoeNobody wrote:
It's actually surprisingly accurate. Unless you're big in to body building most of us get enough protein from our food and don't need to supplement. The important thing you need for recovery is carbs - to replace your depleted energy stores.Dannbodge wrote:That's bullshit.
Anecdotal - proves nothing.Since starting to drink protein shakes after rides, I've noticed I no longer wake up with heavy sore legs. If i don't have a shake after a ride, the next day my legs are terrible.There is clearly a benefit to using it otherwise it wouldn't exist and be used by 99.9% of the professionals in the world.
Are you a pro? If not, then the benefit is going to be rather less than any sales/marketing material would have you believe.
But timing of the protein intake is crucial, and combined with the fact you can't store protein it makes sense to have it little and often which includes after a ride. You don't NEED whey protein as a recovery drink, but it definitely helps having an easily digested and fast acting source of protein immediately after training. Given whey is a cheap and easy source that does exactly what the body needs there isn't really a reason not to take it.0 -
Disputed, at least in terms of post-exercise intake.joey54321 wrote:But timing of the protein intake is crucial
Like, you know, in meals?it makes sense to have it little and often which includes after a ride.
True.You don't NEED whey protein as a recovery drink
Does it? Maybe, but probably not for the reason you think.it definitely helps having an easily digested and fast acting source of protein immediately after training.
I agree entirely with the bit in bold, but not for the reason you've given. I'm not saying don't have a protein shake - I do myself, although it's more as a meal replacement these days - just don't expect it to do for your body what you think it will do. Most likely the benefit gained is from the breakdown of excess amino acids to glucose.Given whey is a cheap and easy source that does exactly what the body needs there isn't really a reason not to take it.0 -
JoeNobody wrote:
It's actually surprisingly accurate. Unless you're big in to body building most of us get enough protein from our food and don't need to supplement. The important thing you need for recovery is carbs - to replace your depleted energy stores.Dannbodge wrote:That's bullshit.
It rather depends on whether he was suggesting it doesn't work because it's a waste product or whether people don't actually need it. Obviously it has protein in, and if you do need the extra protein whether it is a byproduct or not is quite irrelevant. It certainly isn't snake oil (in that it has no worth in itself), it's just a lot of people probably eat enough protein for it to be pointless0 -
Well, yes. Most of us don't need it, although that's not to say it can't be beneficial. The "need" for it, outside of some particular use cases, is a result of clever marketing. Case in point being the proliferation of protein-fortified products - people have been fooled in to believing they need more protein and a new market segment is created. Protein mars bar anyone? Or protein yoghurt?HaydenM wrote:It rather depends on whether he was suggesting it doesn't work because it's a waste product or whether people don't actually need it. Obviously it has protein in, and if you do need the extra protein whether it is a byproduct or not is quite irrelevant. It certainly isn't snake oil (in that it has no worth in itself), it's just a lot of people probably eat enough protein for it to be pointless0 -
So definitely beer then. Phew.Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them.
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JoeNobody wrote:
Well, yes. Most of us don't need it, although that's not to say it can't be beneficial. The "need" for it, outside of some particular use cases, is a result of clever marketing. Case in point being the proliferation of protein-fortified products - people have been fooled in to believing they need more protein and a new market segment is created. Protein mars bar anyone? Or protein yoghurt?HaydenM wrote:It rather depends on whether he was suggesting it doesn't work because it's a waste product or whether people don't actually need it. Obviously it has protein in, and if you do need the extra protein whether it is a byproduct or not is quite irrelevant. It certainly isn't snake oil (in that it has no worth in itself), it's just a lot of people probably eat enough protein for it to be pointless
It does make me chuckle in service stations when loads of the displays next to the till are 'added protein' versions of normal things for twice the price. I mean, that overweight rep on a 300 mile round trip is definitely going to benefit from the protein...0 -
What's the strawman for? One can only go on sugar what, 100 miles, more? Eventually you will need protein and fat a.k.a. food0
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Seems to boil down to:The sales/marketing people are trying to sell you extra protein. Most people don't need extra protein.
Therefore whey protein has no benefit.
Hardly needs explaining how stupid this is really?
The need for protein is down to the individual. Not some dumb generalisations. Some people do. Some people don't.
If you have a lot of lean body mass, if you train a lot, if you aren't eating a lot of quality lean protein then getting extra protein in your diet is a very good idea.
You could be a man with the body of a child and so get enough protein from the glass of milk your mum gives you before bed and so really it would be a waste of time for you.
Or you could be like me, an overweight man who leg presses 350kg and cycles 250km a week on the bike. I enjoy my protein weetabix and yoghurts as part of a balanced diet.0 -
Imposter wrote:kimchiwitrice wrote:My go to would be chocolate milk, but can anyone make any recommendations they swear by for increasing performance?
A recovery drink is not going to 'increase performance' - it's only going to help you recover.
which in turn helps increase performance.0 -
john1967 wrote:Imposter wrote:kimchiwitrice wrote:My go to would be chocolate milk, but can anyone make any recommendations they swear by for increasing performance?
A recovery drink is not going to 'increase performance' - it's only going to help you recover.
which in turn helps increase performance.
Recovery is recovery. What you do in training increases performance.0 -
I normally have a cup of tea or coffee, I did have a couple of cold bottles of cobra today but that was because the football was just starting when I got in. If I feel my exertion merits some kind ofrecovery drink then it'll be a glass of full fat milk.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Imposter wrote:john1967 wrote:Imposter wrote:kimchiwitrice wrote:My go to would be chocolate milk, but can anyone make any recommendations they swear by for increasing performance?
A recovery drink is not going to 'increase performance' - it's only going to help you recover.
which in turn helps increase performance.
Recovery is recovery. What you do in training increases performance.
nope. Recovery is were physiological adaption takes place.0 -
john1967 wrote:Imposter wrote:john1967 wrote:Imposter wrote:kimchiwitrice wrote:My go to would be chocolate milk, but can anyone make any recommendations they swear by for increasing performance?
A recovery drink is not going to 'increase performance' - it's only going to help you recover.
which in turn helps increase performance.
Recovery is recovery. What you do in training increases performance.
nope. Recovery is were physiological adaption takes place.
Well obviously. The physical adaptions that you promote through training. If you didn't train, you wouldn't need to recover. So going back to my original point - a recovery drink is not going to 'increase performance'.0 -
john1967 wrote:Imposter wrote:john1967 wrote:Imposter wrote:kimchiwitrice wrote:My go to would be chocolate milk, but can anyone make any recommendations they swear by for increasing performance?
A recovery drink is not going to 'increase performance' - it's only going to help you recover.
which in turn helps increase performance.
Recovery is recovery. What you do in training increases performance.
nope. Recovery is were physiological adaption takes place.
Absolutely.0 -
I don't think anyone's said it has no benefit. Just not as much as people thinkimafatman wrote:Seems to boil down to:The sales/marketing people are trying to sell you extra protein. Most people don't need extra protein.
Therefore whey protein has no benefit.
Hardly needs explaining how stupid this is really?
Some people do, most people don't.The need for protein is down to the individual. Not some dumb generalisations. Some people do. Some people don't.
If you're a body builder/building muscle then supplementing protein is probably a very good idea. If not then you should be getting enough in your diet without needing to add extra. If you're not then you need to look at your diet. If you want to do it anyway, knock yourself out. However, if you're eating protein weetabix and yoghurt then you're most likely not doing is for "recovery".If you have a lot of lean body mass, if you train a lot, if you aren't eating a lot of quality lean protein then getting extra protein in your diet is a very good idea.
You could be a man with the body of a child and so get enough protein from the glass of milk your mum gives you before bed and so really it would be a waste of time for you.
Or you could be like me, an overweight man who leg presses 350kg and cycles 250km a week on the bike. I enjoy my protein weetabix and yoghurts as part of a balanced diet.0 -
Imposter wrote:Well obviously. The physical adaptions that you promote through training. If you didn't train, you wouldn't need to recover. So going back to my original point - a recovery drink is not going to 'increase performance'.
Another classic internet argument. You are just arguing semantics.
If you maximise your recovery you maximise the performance of your next work out and therefore maximise your performance within a given time frame. If all you do is sit on your arse recovering then clearly it won't increase performance.JoeNobody wrote:Some people do, most people don't.
Repeating that multiple times doesn't make it any less of a bad generalisation. How does one decide whether they are "most" people or not? Is that most of the general population? Most cyclists?
The benefit you may get from protein entirely depends on the individual so talking in generalisations is a complete waste of time.JoeNobody wrote:If not then you should be getting enough in your diet without needing to add extra. If you're not then you need to look at your diet.
Saying you should look at your diet is saying you should eat more protein if necessary. Protein supplements are part of ones diet so I'm struggling to see the relevance of your point.
Forget generalisations, find what works out for you as an individual. It's that simple.0 -
imafatman wrote:Imposter wrote:Well obviously. The physical adaptions that you promote through training. If you didn't train, you wouldn't need to recover. So going back to my original point - a recovery drink is not going to 'increase performance'.
Another classic internet argument. You are just arguing semantics.
If you maximise your recovery you maximise the performance of your next work out and therefore maximise your performance within a given time frame. If all you do is sit on your ars* recovering then clearly it won't increase performance.
Actually, the other guy was arguing semantics, not me. I was simply pointing out that a recovery drink is not going to increase performance per se - which is kind of obvious, but apparently needed clarifying in response to the OP's original question.0 -
If I'm knackered after a hard ride I'd rather have extra protein than not enough, that is 'looking at your diet' then adding extra, as a protein shake is clearly part of you diet. A big bag of myProtein mix is hardly breaking the bank, and I like the taste. The gains are from all the cycling I'm doing but I'll take any placebo effect I can get, whether the actual gains are completely marginal0
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I did say it more explicitly already, but I can repeat it for the hard of readingimafatman wrote:
Repeating that multiple times doesn't make it any less of a bad generalisation. How does one decide whether they are "most" people or not? Is that most of the general population? Most cyclists?JoeNobody wrote:Some people do, most people don't. Unless you're a bodybuilder you don't need to supplement protein. If you are a bodybuilder then you're the "some", otherwise you're the "most". Based on the info Sky shared of Froome's big day in the Giro, you could also add "pro cyclists competing in multi-day stage races" to the list alongside bodybuilders. Although, iirc, his recovery food/drink was extremely heavy on carbs. Way more so than protein, which, again iirc, featured more in his evening meal. I'm sure there are some other edge cases where protein requirements are higher than for most people.
I agreeThe benefit you may get from protein entirely depends on the individual
I disagree. Given the marketing focus of protein supplements and protein-fortified foods to the general population it's not unreasonable to address generalisations with generalisations. Particularly when I've also qualified my generalisations (see above and earlier in this thread).so talking in generalisations is a complete waste of time.
Are you deliberately ignoring my point, or did you miss it? The key is in the name - supplement. Yes, it's kind of true to say it's part of your diet, but really it's supplementary to it. Unless you're part of the "some" then you shouldn't need to supplement protein to get enough. Hence, if you're not getting enough you should look at adding more to your meals, rather than supplementing. Given that protein deficiency is not really a thing, at least in most of the world, most people who supplement it are consuming more than they need, for little benefit. The perceived benefit may not be specifically from the added consumption of protein, but rather the conversion of excess protein to glucose (google "gluconeogenesis").
Saying you should look at your diet is saying you should eat more protein if necessary. Protein supplements are part of ones diet so I'm struggling to see the relevance of your point.JoeNobody wrote:If not then you should be getting enough in your diet without needing to add extra. If you're not then you need to look at your diet.
True, although "what works out for you" is not necessarily "what you need" or "what has a real benefit". It also renders the "best post workout drink" question irrelevant (or rather, the answers to it)Forget generalisations, find what works out for you as an individual. It's that simple. 0
