Rest day discussion & observations
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Vino'sGhost wrote:
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I thought Yates would loose more but his brothers 1.30 something loss to TvG over a similar distance might be a good guide. Dumoulin is better than TvG.0
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Do you not also think that Simon is better than Adam at the moment? Leading and likely to win Giro vs 4th in the ToC?
I don't think Tom has been any worse than he was last year really, I think Yates it just a level above the competition he faced last year, and Dumoulin only has a 30km TT (plus a ten K prologue that didn't really favour him), instead of a 40km and a 30km.0 -
TimothyW wrote:Do you not also think that Simon is better than Adam at the moment? Leading and likely to win Giro vs 4th in the ToC?
Oh definitely. That's what creates the uncertainty.
I mean Froome put 1:30 into Simon in last year's Tour over just 22km. But Simon is clearly at a higher level this year.0 -
I'm just trying to find real examples. Seconds per kilometer doesn't mean much to me.0
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There are pluses and minuses. Froome not quite at Dumoulin level plus last years TT had quite a climb on it (though Pinot struggled on the climb iirc).Milton50 wrote:I mean Froome put 1:30 into Simon in last year's Tour over just 22km. But Simon is clearly at a higher level this year.0 -
Do we think smaller teams is having an impact on the racing?It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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inseine wrote:I'm just trying to find real examples. Seconds per kilometer doesn't mean much to me.
Well converting from my post above, an average based on previous performances would result in Yates losing 1 minute 43s to Dumoulin.
If Dumoulin has an alright day, so getting into the top half of his wins against Yates, he would take 2 minutes, which still wouldn't quite give him the lead (obviously).
A good day for Dumoulin might see him take 2 minutes 15s or so.
If Dumoulin has an absolute stormer, and/or Yates has a shocker, Dumoulin might take as much as 2 minutes 51 seconds. 3 minutes would be probably the outer limits of reasonable. You have to think that's unlikely though, given Yates' performances to date.
3s/km = 1 min 43s
3.5s/km = 2 mins
4s/km = 2 min 17s
4.5s/km = 2 min 34s
5s/km = 2 min 51s0 -
Salsiccia1 wrote:Do we think smaller teams is having an impact on the racing?
Too early to tell. The Tour might tell us more. Even though every team defending a leader will try and scratch a mountain train together it's only really been Sky and Movistar that have ever had the strength to really exploit it, controlling the race early and still having firepower for the finish. Neither has really turned up with much at the Giro, but that doesn't look like a size issue.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:
Well converting from my post above, an average based on previous performances would result in Yates losing 1 minute 43s to Dumoulin.
If Dumoulin has an alright day, so getting into the top half of his wins against Yates, he would take 2 minutes, which still wouldn't quite give him the lead (obviously).
A good day for Dumoulin might see him take 2 minutes 15s or so.
If Dumoulin has an absolute stormer, and/or Yates has a shocker, Dumoulin might take as much as 2 minutes 51 seconds. 3 minutes would be probably the outer limits of reasonable. You have to think that's unlikely though, given Yates' performances to date.
3s/km = 1 min 43s
3.5s/km = 2 mins
4s/km = 2 min 17s
4.5s/km = 2 min 34s
5s/km = 2 min 51s
Hope you don't mind, I borrowed your post for a TT sweepstake thread ;-)
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No tA Doctor wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:
Well converting from my post above, an average based on previous performances would result in Yates losing 1 minute 43s to Dumoulin.
If Dumoulin has an alright day, so getting into the top half of his wins against Yates, he would take 2 minutes, which still wouldn't quite give him the lead (obviously).
A good day for Dumoulin might see him take 2 minutes 15s or so.
If Dumoulin has an absolute stormer, and/or Yates has a shocker, Dumoulin might take as much as 2 minutes 51 seconds. 3 minutes would be probably the outer limits of reasonable. You have to think that's unlikely though, given Yates' performances to date.
3s/km = 1 min 43s
3.5s/km = 2 mins
4s/km = 2 min 17s
4.5s/km = 2 min 34s
5s/km = 2 min 51s
Hope you don't mind, I borrowed your post for a TT sweepstake thread ;-)
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No problem
I think the thing that doesn't consider is how well each of the TTs in question suited one or the other, and as someone mentioned this is a very flat TT so probably suits Dumoulin very well. Then you have to weigh that against Yates' unbelievable form!0 -
Will Chaves start tomorrow or go home? I can't remember a collapse as complete as his, can't see any sense in him carrying on when there is clearly something seriously wrong with him.0
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I think that Pinot and Pozzovio raced the Tour of the Alps (Trentino) like they should be racing the Giro.
The Giro they are racing like they should have raced the Tour of the Alps.
The prologue is good for assessing certain riders, for others, it's no use at all.
Hence Tom will take pink tomorrow, but it will signify nothing in terms of Yates's third week trajectory."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
r0bh wrote:Will Chaves start tomorrow or go home? I can't remember a collapse as complete as his, can't see any sense in him carrying on when there is clearly something seriously wrong with him.
The only slight possibility is that he has got a bit better, and has been deliberately taking it very easy the last couple of stages to try and salvage some form for later in the race.
But I tend to think he's ill as well.0 -
George Bennett was at a standstill for 1 minute on the Zoncolan with a jammed chain. Gesink repaired it for him due to lack of team support on the climb.
Bet George wished he had gone on a bike maintenance course.Half man, Half bike0 -
Ridgerider wrote:George Bennett was at a standstill for 1 minute on the Zoncolan with a jammed chain. Gesink repaired it for him due to lack of team support on the climb.
Bet George wished he had gone on a bike maintenance course.
He said his bike went into "crash mode", jamming in the highest gear. Not ideal for the Zoncolan. Is that a Di2 thing?0 -
I hope someone gave him a push start. Fair play to him for getting started again if not. No easy matter on those gradients.Ridgerider wrote:George Bennett was at a standstill for 1 minute on the Zoncolan with a jammed chain. Gesink repaired it for him due to lack of team support on the climb.
Bet George wished he had gone on a bike maintenance course.0 -
the number of position wrecking malfunctions by electronic shifting is not nothing."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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KingstonGraham wrote:Ridgerider wrote:George Bennett was at a standstill for 1 minute on the Zoncolan with a jammed chain. Gesink repaired it for him due to lack of team support on the climb.
Bet George wished he had gone on a bike maintenance course.
He said his bike went into "crash mode", jamming in the highest gear. Not ideal for the Zoncolan. Is that a Di2 thing?
Sounds a bit unlikely to me, why would they have a mode which jams it in the hardest gear? What possible purpose would that serve?0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Ridgerider wrote:George Bennett was at a standstill for 1 minute on the Zoncolan with a jammed chain. Gesink repaired it for him due to lack of team support on the climb.
Bet George wished he had gone on a bike maintenance course.
He said his bike went into "crash mode", jamming in the highest gear. Not ideal for the Zoncolan. Is that a Di2 thing?
Sounds a bit unlikely to me, why would they have a mode which jams it in the hardest gear? What possible purpose would that serve?
Should have googled that first http://road.cc/content/forum/193805-di2 ... fers-guide
Apparently there is a mode which "docks" the rear mech in a crash to try and protect it from damage. Who knew.
Still not sure why it would "dock" to the small cog (i.e., furthest out), as that is presumably more likely to leave it damaged0 -
http://blog.artscyclery.com/road/ask-a- ... very-mode/
"When the derailleur is impacted hard enough, the motor in the rear derailleur will disengage from the cage and prevent the system from shifting. This is a safeguard to protect the derailleur from further damage in a crash."0 -
According to some guy on the road.cc forum, it locks the rear derailleur in the position furthest from the spokes (so the smallest cog) to try and protect the derailleur from damage if it thinks you're crashing. Makes sense. Absolute nightmare if you're not crashing, and are a pro about to ascend Mount Zoncolan!0
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Seems I'm not the only person who can type "di2 crash mode" into google. Get you lot! :P0
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Why does a rest day affect some riders so badly? Surely they could just go out and ride if they were worried?0
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mididoctors wrote:the number of position wrecking malfunctions by electronic shifting is not nothing.
Not now anyway.
And the guy from Icarus.0 -
I think lots of them do go out and ride, but I guess it's not the same. I suppose finding the length and intensity of ride that's going to be enough to not mess your body up the day after but short enough to still allow you to recover.0
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Movistar got some of stick for sending a "a low key team from Movistar. A bloke from fat camp, someone's brother, a couple of kids and four Movistar customers who won a competition."
But they don't seem to have done too badly thus far. Carapaz sixth on GC, a stage win, and even Bentacur animated the race.0
