Giro 2018: Stage 11, Assisi - Osimo 156kms *Spoilers*

TheBigBean

GC 12-20. Lopez still isn't the best Lopez.

11 LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel ASTANA PRO TEAM 47h 11’ 38” 03’ 17”
12 FROOME Chris TEAM SKY 47h 11’ 41” 03’ 20”
13 O'CONNOR Ben TEAM DIMENSION DATA 47h 11’ 46” 03’ 25”
14 BETANCUR Carlos MOVISTAR TEAM 47h 11’ 50” 03’ 29”
15 OOMEN Sam TEAM SUNWEB 47h 12’ 01” 03’ 40”
16 WOODS Michael EF EDUCATION FIRST-DRAPAC p/b CANNONDALE 47h 12’ 04” 03’ 43”
17 SCHACHMANN Maximilian QUICK-STEP FLOORS 47h 12’ 22” 04’ 01”
18 GENIEZ Alexandre AG2R LA MONDIALE 47h 12’ 54” 04’ 33”
19 HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis TEAM SKY 47h 13’ 29” 05’ 08”
20 GONCALVES Jose' TEAM KATUSHA ALPECIN 47h 13’ 42” 05’ 21”

richard_t._biscuit

Mad_Malx wrote:

Richard T. Biscuit wrote:

I think making Dumoulin chase that hard for that long on his own is probably more important than the time. Yates need to hurt him on stages that suit him better even if he doesn't gain big chunks of time on a single stage.

Bit worrying for Yates to look back and see he couldn't snap the elastic though.

Gotta keep stretching when you have the chance in the hope it gets weaker over time though. If Yates and Dumoulin both sit in the group Dumoulin will be happy with that.

mididoctors

KingstonGraham wrote:

The_Boy wrote:

So is the plan for froome to go get himself some hard racing miles in the third week to build form for summer?

I think the plan is somewhere in a hi tech, matt black bin.

it was an ask given the best of luck and preparation thou. all the pressure with the case etc....

timothyw

Impressive for Dumoulin, keeping so close to Yates on a stage that so obviously suits the latter.

Definitely looking like a 2 horse race at the moment.

I do wonder if Yates isn't going a bit deep (between today and the intermediate sprint yesterday) when the Zoncolan and many more mountains are yet to come. He's obviously absolutely full of confidence - would be a shame to see him collapse next week.

dish_dash

Dennis still in 7th on GC... good for his plan to see how he would go if chasing GC.

Vino'sGhost

Orkneylad wrote:

How much time do we think Yates needs going into the final TT?

i would have thought at least 2 mins.

I cant see him getting that unless tom collapses on the zoncolan

TheBigBean

I was wondering whether anyone would complain about the motor pacing, but I feel that it rewards the attacker so is probably fair.

mididoctors

Mad_Malx wrote:

Richard T. Biscuit wrote:

I think making Dumoulin chase that hard for that long on his own is probably more important than the time. Yates need to hurt him on stages that suit him better even if he doesn't gain big chunks of time on a single stage.

Bit worrying for Yates to look back and see he couldn't snap the elastic though.

i thought that too... thou as they crested into the piazza I think TD does blow. hard to say. yates does need to drop TD hard on the zoncalan

blazing_saddles

Mad_Malx wrote:

Richard T. Biscuit wrote:

I think making Dumoulin chase that hard for that long on his own is probably more important than the time. Yates need to hurt him on stages that suit him better even if he doesn't gain big chunks of time on a single stage.

Bit worrying for Yates to look back and see he couldn't snap the elastic though.

Looking at the top ten and the time gaps, I wouldn't read too much, either way, into that finish.

Vino'sGhost

froome interview coming up on Eurosport. It was scheduled for 3 mins ago but he hasnt arrived yet

mididoctors

TimothyW wrote:

Impressive for Dumoulin, keeping so close to Yates on a stage that so obviously suits the latter.

Definitely looking like a 2 horse race at the moment.

I do wonder if Yates isn't going a bit deep (between today and the intermediate sprint yesterday) when the Zoncolan and many more mountains are yet to come. He's obviously absolutely full of confidence - would be a shame to see him collapse next week.

not impossible yates collapsing is it? never been in this position.

the article don

Froome whupping Bentancur by 9 seconds on GC.

lettingthedaysgoby

Vino'sGhost wrote:

froome interview coming up on Eurosport. It was scheduled for 3 mins ago but he hasnt arrived yet

Oooooof

Vino'sGhost

Froome decided not to do the interview now so theyre going to show a pre recorded one

Vino'sGhost

lettingthedaysgoby wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

froome interview coming up on Eurosport. It was scheduled for 3 mins ago but he hasnt arrived yet

Oooooof

lolol

Pross

mididoctors wrote:

TimothyW wrote:

Impressive for Dumoulin, keeping so close to Yates on a stage that so obviously suits the latter.

Definitely looking like a 2 horse race at the moment.

I do wonder if Yates isn't going a bit deep (between today and the intermediate sprint yesterday) when the Zoncolan and many more mountains are yet to come. He's obviously absolutely full of confidence - would be a shame to see him collapse next week.

not impossible yates collapsing is it? never been in this position.

I actually think that's the more likely scenario though I hope not. I'm always mixing the brothers up but seem to recall one of them having to try and hold on in one of the big MTFs at the Tour and eventually cracking. Didn't think either of them have a great history on the really big climbs.

The_Boy

Pross wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

TimothyW wrote:

Impressive for Dumoulin, keeping so close to Yates on a stage that so obviously suits the latter.

Definitely looking like a 2 horse race at the moment.

I do wonder if Yates isn't going a bit deep (between today and the intermediate sprint yesterday) when the Zoncolan and many more mountains are yet to come. He's obviously absolutely full of confidence - would be a shame to see him collapse next week.

not impossible yates collapsing is it? never been in this position.

I actually think that's the more likely scenario though I hope not. I'm always mixing the brothers up but seem to recall one of them having to try and hold on in one of the big MTFs at the Tour and eventually cracking. Didn't think either of them have a great history on the really big climbs.

I may be confusing my Yatesses, but I recall him fading a little in the third week in the past. Then again he looks stronger this year than he has before so that may not even count for much of he does .

mididoctors

yates look drawn out in that flecha interview... a lot of very stressed athletes. also a bit downbeat on his chances.

mididoctors

Pross wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

TimothyW wrote:

Impressive for Dumoulin, keeping so close to Yates on a stage that so obviously suits the latter.

Definitely looking like a 2 horse race at the moment.

I do wonder if Yates isn't going a bit deep (between today and the intermediate sprint yesterday) when the Zoncolan and many more mountains are yet to come. He's obviously absolutely full of confidence - would be a shame to see him collapse next week.

not impossible yates collapsing is it? never been in this position.

I actually think that's the more likely scenario though I hope not. I'm always mixing the brothers up but seem to recall one of them having to try and hold on in one of the big MTFs at the Tour and eventually cracking. Didn't think either of them have a great history on the really big climbs.

yeah...bit of doubt sneaking into the mix after today... odd given he won...but even he thinks it as do a lot of us here.

Vino'sGhost

mididoctors wrote:

Pross wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

TimothyW wrote:

Impressive for Dumoulin, keeping so close to Yates on a stage that so obviously suits the latter.

Definitely looking like a 2 horse race at the moment.

I do wonder if Yates isn't going a bit deep (between today and the intermediate sprint yesterday) when the Zoncolan and many more mountains are yet to come. He's obviously absolutely full of confidence - would be a shame to see him collapse next week.

not impossible yates collapsing is it? never been in this position.

I actually think that's the more likely scenario though I hope not. I'm always mixing the brothers up but seem to recall one of them having to try and hold on in one of the big MTFs at the Tour and eventually cracking. Didn't think either of them have a great history on the really big climbs.

yeah...bit of doubt sneaking into the mix after today... odd given he won...but even he thinks it as do a lot of us here.

Not surprising given the TT coming up and Tom so difficult to drop. But thats his lot, he needs to chip away and hope he can hold on in the TT. Tom needs to hold on on the climbs and hope he can reveers the deficit in the TT. I suspect Tom would take comfort from Today but if he gets a kicking on zoncolan hes going to be under pressure like never before.

This is one of the best GT battles for quite some time

kingstongraham

Vino'sGhost wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

Pross wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

TimothyW wrote:

Impressive for Dumoulin, keeping so close to Yates on a stage that so obviously suits the latter.

Definitely looking like a 2 horse race at the moment.

I do wonder if Yates isn't going a bit deep (between today and the intermediate sprint yesterday) when the Zoncolan and many more mountains are yet to come. He's obviously absolutely full of confidence - would be a shame to see him collapse next week.

not impossible yates collapsing is it? never been in this position.

I actually think that's the more likely scenario though I hope not. I'm always mixing the brothers up but seem to recall one of them having to try and hold on in one of the big MTFs at the Tour and eventually cracking. Didn't think either of them have a great history on the really big climbs.

yeah...bit of doubt sneaking into the mix after today... odd given he won...but even he thinks it as do a lot of us here.

Not surprising given the TT coming up and Tom so difficult to drop. But thats his lot, he needs to chip away and hope he can hold on in the TT. Tom needs to hold on on the climbs and hope he can reveers the deficit in the TT. I suspect Tom would take comfort from Today but if he gets a kicking on zoncolan hes going to be under pressure like never before.

This is one of the best GT battles for quite some time

Since Tom Dumoulin took the lead in a TT, had to hang on in the mountains and then needed to make enough time back in the TT last year?

dish_dash

Purito vs Ryder in 2012 again eh?

blazing_saddles

dish_dash wrote:

Purito vs Ryder in 2012 again eh?

Yer, but without that all important, final flat ITT.
Not at all surprised that Dumoulin was up there, today.
He has done it before on similar climbs
But..........look who else wasn't far behind. Geniez and..........Rohan Dennis.

So, as an indicator for the big mountains, today was not not the best.

Finally Froome owns up to being badly hurt after his crash.
As for Tom's "hard fall" yesterday, that turned out to be more like Contador's broken leg.

Vino'sGhost

KingstonGraham wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

Pross wrote:

mididoctors wrote:

TimothyW wrote:

Impressive for Dumoulin, keeping so close to Yates on a stage that so obviously suits the latter.

Definitely looking like a 2 horse race at the moment.

I do wonder if Yates isn't going a bit deep (between today and the intermediate sprint yesterday) when the Zoncolan and many more mountains are yet to come. He's obviously absolutely full of confidence - would be a shame to see him collapse next week.

not impossible yates collapsing is it? never been in this position.

I actually think that's the more likely scenario though I hope not. I'm always mixing the brothers up but seem to recall one of them having to try and hold on in one of the big MTFs at the Tour and eventually cracking. Didn't think either of them have a great history on the really big climbs.

yeah...bit of doubt sneaking into the mix after today... odd given he won...but even he thinks it as do a lot of us here.

Not surprising given the TT coming up and Tom so difficult to drop. But thats his lot, he needs to chip away and hope he can hold on in the TT. Tom needs to hold on on the climbs and hope he can reveers the deficit in the TT. I suspect Tom would take comfort from Today but if he gets a kicking on zoncolan hes going to be under pressure like never before.

This is one of the best GT battles for quite some time

Since Tom Dumoulin took the lead in a TT, had to hang on in the mountains and then needed to make enough time back in the TT last year?

Similar to this year but in a different order. I hope its close

DeVlaeminck

There are other stages than the Zoncolan for Yates to take time on TD, I don't think it's all over by any means but I'd have today down as a positive for Yates. I reckon par for Yates would be ~30 seconds over TD on the Zoncolan, much less than that would be worrying, much more and it'll be difficult for TD.

dish_dash

Blazing Saddles wrote:

As for Tom's "hard fall" yesterday, that turned out to be more like Contador's broken leg.

Indeed. I did examine photos from today's startline to see any scratches or bandages and none could be found....

ContrelaMontre

Simon Yates 2018 brings to mind Damiano Cunego 2004 for me.

No_Ta_Doctor

Pross wrote:

FleshTuxedo wrote:

Kirby & Kelly discussing a spit roast at the hotel. Ewww.

Anything that fills Kirby's mouth and stops him being able to speak is surely welcome?

To be honest, I'm never sure which end of Kirby the words are coming out of, but I guess a spit roast covers all bases.

As for Yates "only" getting a 2" gap (+bonifications) on Tom, lets bear in mind that it was only a cat 4 and only 1.8km long. Dumoulin has often dropped back and TTed his way up longer climbs. With more hill to play with Yates could properly snap the elastic. There are plenty more climbs to come.

ben@31

I'm watching the highlights of today's stage on Eurosport Player now. Is there any reason why De Marchi had different profile wheels? Looks like he has a 50 rim on the back and a shallow profile wheel on the front?

mididoctors

Blazing Saddles wrote:

But..........look who else wasn't far behind. Geniez and..........Rohan Dennis.

So, as an indicator for the big mountains, today was not the best.

maybe..guess there is only one way to find out.