Fascinating phenomenon

First.Aspect

I've noticed that when I ride my chopper up Sa Calobra, it takes longer than on my BMX. It can't be the bike because I'm out of the saddle in both. And I know the chopper is heavier, but I think E.T. makes up the difference.

I am baffled.

First.Aspect

PBlakeney wrote:

Just try saying “‘twas” in my local.
That is all.

You don't seem bothered by "thus".

Round these parts you get funny looks if you say "therefore". I saw a guy pinned to a juke box by his throat just for saying "accordingly".

webboo

Is it not that S Works run on Clenbuterol but Pinarello’s run on Salbutamol.

pblakeney

Svetty wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Wheel rim, spoke and tension will also play a part.

Rim depth and number of spokes might conceivably have a miniscule effect on aero resistance but he's climbing out of the saddle uphill so this really would be minimal.

Spoke tension is irrelevant unless the wheels are so flexy that the brakes are rubbing and with the bike spec he has suggested I think this is unlikely.

Brand new, yes.
As for words, there are many that invite ridicule.(Including simlply depending on use) I simply pointed out one given.

actusreus

redvision wrote:

Can you post your gps files of the said rides?

It can still be the set up even if out of the saddle. Different bars and stem lengths can make a huge difference, as do shifter position.

The tyres may also be a factor but you would probably notice that on the flat as well.

Are you using the same set of wheels?

Anyway, post the ride files if you can as would be interesting to see data (If you have the sensors) from cadence, power, hr, and speed.

The stems are the same length, but because of the different geometry, the saddle to bar distance is about an inch shorter on the Tarmac (I'm still dialing it in). The bars are different - the Dogma has an aero bar while the Tarmac has a standard round bar. The wheels are also different - the Dogma has the Reynolds 58 Aero and the Tarmac has the Enve 3/4, both 25 mm tires. I find the Reynolds to be much stiffer than the Enves. In fact, I had to open up the calipers more on the rear wheel on the Tarmac as I was getting a lot of flex (brake rub) on climbs. But still the physiological difference has been uncanny.

I will try to capture data and post here. From memory, the wattage was around 300 watts and speed 11-12 mph for most of the distance in question.

sloppyschleckonds

actusreus wrote:

(I'm still dialing it in)

Hello?

actusreus wrote:

In fact, I had to open up the calipers more on the rear wheel on the Tarmac as I was getting a lot of flex (brake rub) on climbs.

Ahh there we have it, like Chris Froome riding with the brakes on

pblakeney

...as I said...

part time waster

First Aspect wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Just try saying “‘twas” in my local.
That is all.

You don't seem bothered by "thus".

Round these parts you get funny looks if you say "therefore". I saw a guy pinned to a juke box by his throat just for saying "accordingly".

Pretty much takes the prize for the most ridiculous comment I read for ages.
This thread is fascinating . Better than chocolate air !
Thanks for giving me a laugh. Can the O.P come back on to add fuel to the flames.

charlie_potatoes

I think you need to tread carefully actusreus. Specialized are notoriously litigious.

zefs

Probably using higher cadence on the Tarmac while out of the saddle?

shimanobottombracket

Imposter wrote:

I notice a similar phenomenon when switching between my Bentley and my Lamborghini...

I noticed a similar phenomenon with my arse, depending on which toilet I sit on to defecate.

robert88

ShimanoBottomBracket wrote:

Imposter wrote:

I notice a similar phenomenon when switching between my Bentley and my Lamborghini...

I noticed a similar phenomenon with my ars*, depending on which toilet I sit on to defecate.

That's the least fascinating phenomenon in the known universe.

kingstongraham

First Aspect wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Just try saying “‘twas” in my local.
That is all.

You don't seem bothered by "thus".

Round these parts you get funny looks if you say "therefore". I saw a guy pinned to a juke box by his throat just for saying "accordingly".

Maybe they misheard and thought he was going to start playing folk music.

chrisaonabike

KingstonGraham wrote:

First Aspect wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Just try saying “‘twas” in my local.
That is all.

I saw a guy pinned to a juke box by his throat just for saying "accordingly".

Maybe they misheard and thought he was going to start playing folk music.

Way too clever for this thread.

the_cyclist_of_catan

londoncommuter wrote:

The whole middle aged dentist/Sky thing does seem to wind people up when you mention Pinarello and the title probably set you up for a fall.

I'm betting on middle aged lawyer. A dentist might ride both high-end bikes after being talked into buying them both by the Evans sales staff, but only a lawyer would come on here and subtly brag about it. Or describe such a dull question as "fascinating".

Besides, it's not about the bike. There are so many variables that affect performance - even down to wind speed and direction, when and what you last ate and where your mind is at - that is pretty well impossible for anyone to sensibly answer this "fascinating" conundrum.

ayjaycee

I suspect it's the weight of all the other very first world problems getting you down. Depending on the size, I'll give you £15 for the Tarmac if you don't want it any more.

shimanobottombracket

ayjaycee wrote:

I suspect it's the weight of all the other very first world problems getting you down. Depending on the size, I'll give you £15 for the Tarmac if you don't want it any more.

Enough to fill a pothole?

bompington

The Cyclist of Catan wrote:

...and subtly brag about it.

Subtly? Subtly?

actusreus

The Cyclist of Catan wrote:

londoncommuter wrote:

The whole middle aged dentist/Sky thing does seem to wind people up when you mention Pinarello and the title probably set you up for a fall.

I'm betting on middle aged lawyer. A dentist might ride both high-end bikes after being talked into buying them both by the Evans sales staff, but only a lawyer would come on here and subtly brag about it. Or describe such a dull question as "fascinating".

Besides, it's not about the bike. There are so many variables that affect performance - even down to wind speed and direction, when and what you last ate and where your mind is at - that is pretty well impossible for anyone to sensibly answer this "fascinating" conundrum.

And I'm betting you're a fat, insecure loser with a small dick, and maybe a commuter bike at best, who comes to the forum to make yourself feel better about your miserable life, small dick, and inability to come to terms with the fact that other people are more successful than you are. Only that kind of a person would take their time to put down another person by virtue of their means. You know s--it about me, son.

At the end of the day, my only concern related to this is whether I'm going to ride my Dogma or my Tarmac on a particular day, while you're still going to wake up a fat, insecure loser with a small dick, looking for ways to make yourself feel better about your miserable existence and your innate inability to measure up to people who have accomplished more than you ever can.

I don't give a rat's ass what some insecure douchebag living in the UK (what the f-ck is Evans?) in some craphole with its shitty weather thinks or writes about me. But what does upset me is that a dedicated forum like this one -- a forum dedicated to avid cyclists and cycling community in general -- should be an antidote to the cancer that is insecure people like you (and this goes to all the others in this thread who made themselves feel better about putting me down for dare I have two expensive bikes) with a keyboard and access to the internet who spend their sad, miserable existence disparaging others. There are other dedicated forums, such as Audiogon, where derogatory comments about someone triggered by just what they own or can afford are not tolerated by the community. This here is not a community; it's mostly a bunch of judgmental f-cks who offer no advice, but find satisfaction in putting down others.

And yes, it is about the bike, you s-it for brains, in this case. A small fix in the bottom bracket fixed the issue. Don't give any more advice.

pblakeney

So that's a yes then.

First.Aspect

actusreus wrote:

The Cyclist of Catan wrote:

londoncommuter wrote:

The whole middle aged dentist/Sky thing does seem to wind people up when you mention Pinarello and the title probably set you up for a fall.

I'm betting on middle aged lawyer. A dentist might ride both high-end bikes after being talked into buying them both by the Evans sales staff, but only a lawyer would come on here and subtly brag about it. Or describe such a dull question as "fascinating".

Besides, it's not about the bike. There are so many variables that affect performance - even down to wind speed and direction, when and what you last ate and where your mind is at - that is pretty well impossible for anyone to sensibly answer this "fascinating" conundrum.

And I'm betting you're a fat, insecure loser with a small dick, and maybe a commuter bike at best, who comes to the forum to make yourself feel better about your miserable life, small dick, and inability to come to terms with the fact that other people are more successful than you are. Only that kind of a person would take their time to put down another person by virtue of their means. You know s--it about me, son.

At the end of the day, my only concern related to this is whether I'm going to ride my Dogma or my Tarmac on a particular day, while you're still going to wake up a fat, insecure loser with a small dick, looking for ways to make yourself feel better about your miserable existence and your innate inability to measure up to people who have accomplished more than you ever can.

I don't give a rat's ass what some insecure douchebag living in the UK (what the f-ck is Evans?) in some craphole with its sh!tty weather thinks or writes about me. But what does upset me is that a dedicated forum like this one -- a forum dedicated to avid cyclists and cycling community in general -- should be an antidote to the cancer that is insecure people like you (and this goes to all the others in this thread who made themselves feel better about putting me down for dare I have two expensive bikes) with a keyboard and access to the internet who spend their sad, miserable existence disparaging others. There are other dedicated forums, such as Audiogon, where derogatory comments about someone triggered by just what they own or can afford are not tolerated by the community. This here is not a community; it's mostly a bunch of judgmental f-cks who offer no advice, but find satisfaction in putting down others.

And yes, it is about the bike, you s-it for brains, in this case. A small fix in the bottom bracket fixed the issue. Don't give any more advice.

Banker.

DavidJB

This thread just went to platinum status. Actus reus is a law term so I think you hit the nail on the head with lawyer

shirley_basso

Bombs away

twist83

Have to say this chap did get set on from the get go. I would be a little bit pissed off if I was him as well.

It does seem to be a noticeable trend on here. I would go so far to say it isn't far shy of bullying to be honest.

It is a valid point. Would you all do the same thing, and say the same things to his face if say you met him for the first time at a ride with a cycling club and you did not know him? I very much doubt it.

First.Aspect

DavidJB wrote:

This thread just went to platinum status. Actus reus is a law term so I think you hit the nail on the head with lawyer

Not so sure. Lawyers tend to not to be so insecure. Plus they need analytical skills. Could be a law student. Rich kid pushed towards one of the professions maybe.

Hard to tell. It went from ponderings over brandy in smoking jacket to "Kevin" quite quickly.

Will the real actusreus please stand up?

lostboysaint

twist83 wrote:

Would you all do the same thing, and say the same things to his face if say you met him for the first time at a ride with a cycling club and you did not know him? I very much doubt it.

Yes. And if anyone says that a bunch of club members or a table of fellow cyclists in the cafe/pub wouldn't give him the same grief (in amongst the helpful stuff as well - because it has featured on here, just been trivialised or ignored by the OP) then they're lying. Or they're so dull that they'd be sat on their own in the first place.

The OP has "had the frame optimized" - interesting, is that a service that Pinarello and Spec offer, optimizing frames? Do they change lay ups in certain areas, tweak the geometry, change the shapes or sizes? No, of course they don't. He hasn't even had the sense to fit the Spec using the measurements that could easily be taken from the Pina. All this has come tumbling out in a manner befitting an internet sociopath and yet you think he's been bullied on here? Imagine if he said all that to club mates at the top of a climb - they'd be laughing at him all the way back down.

First.Aspect

twist83 wrote:

Have to say this chap did get set on from the get go. I would be a little bit pissed off if I was him as well.

It does seem to be a noticeable trend on here. I would go so far to say it isn't far shy of bullying to be honest.

It is a valid point. Would you all do the same thing, and say the same things to his face if say you met him for the first time at a ride with a cycling club and you did not know him? I very much doubt it.

In person it very well might have started off the same way but I doubt he'd have responded in the same way with the "Well I've been successful and you haven't" line. More likely it would have rapidly become light hearted. For sure there's been a lot of ribbing going on which wouldn't take place in person. But then it's just not personal here is it?

twist83

lostboysaint wrote:

twist83 wrote:

Would you all do the same thing, and say the same things to his face if say you met him for the first time at a ride with a cycling club and you did not know him? I very much doubt it.

Yes. And if anyone says that a bunch of club members or a table of fellow cyclists in the cafe/pub wouldn't give him the same grief (in amongst the helpful stuff as well - because it has featured on here, just been trivialised or ignored by the OP) then they're lying. Or they're so dull that they'd be sat on their own in the first place.

The OP has "had the frame optimized" - interesting, is that a service that Pinarello and Spec offer, optimizing frames? Do they change lay ups in certain areas, tweak the geometry, change the shapes or sizes? No, of course they don't. He hasn't even had the sense to fit the Spec using the measurements that could easily be taken from the Pina. All this has come tumbling out in a manner befitting an internet sociopath and yet you think he's been bullied on here? Imagine if he said all that to club mates at the top of a climb - they'd be laughing at him all the way back down.

Before he responded in an aggressive manner. Everyone was attacking him. Yes he responded. But before that, everyone went for him.

I don't think a lot of people would have been hostile like that towards him in person. Yes there would be some banter. But not on the same scale.

So now you have profiled him based on a couple of posts he made. Ok then... I see someone who got attacked left, right and centre defend himself against a pack to be fair.

I see it time and time again on here. If you are not part of the pack, ask a slightly silly question, or show any traits that others don't like, then it is unleash the hounds.

Anyway I am out! Just wanted to say my bit. Have a lovely day.

twist83

First Aspect wrote:

twist83 wrote:

Have to say this chap did get set on from the get go. I would be a little bit pissed off if I was him as well.

It does seem to be a noticeable trend on here. I would go so far to say it isn't far shy of bullying to be honest.

It is a valid point. Would you all do the same thing, and say the same things to his face if say you met him for the first time at a ride with a cycling club and you did not know him? I very much doubt it.

In person it very well might have started off the same way but I doubt he'd have responded in the same way with the "Well I've been successful and you haven't" line. More likely it would have rapidly become light hearted. For sure there's been a lot of ribbing going on which wouldn't take place in person. But then it's just not personal here is it?

So if it isn't personal, then it is ok to respond and behave like that?

kingstongraham

actusreus wrote:

A small fix in the bottom bracket fixed the issue.

Glad to hear it. What was the fix?