Fascinating phenomenon

londoncommuter

You didn't even mention in your first post whether you'd bought them both or whether the S-Works was a warranty replacement after you got crushed by a lorry etc. Agree the responses have been rubbish.

It's amazingly helpful when someone has actually ridden several bikes of similar quality and can give feedback as there are so many "which bike" posts on here where 99% of people offer advice without having tried them both. If you still have both bikes, carry on riding them and post again.

The whole middle aged dentist/Sky thing does seem to wind people up when you mention Pinarello and the title probably set you up for a fall.

First.Aspect

londoncommuter wrote:

You didn't even mention in your first post whether you'd bought them both or whether the S-Works was a warranty replacement after you got crushed by a lorry etc. Agree the responses have been rubbish.

It's amazingly helpful when someone has actually ridden several bikes of similar quality and can give feedback as there are so many "which bike" posts on here where 99% of people offer advice without having tried them both. If you still have both bikes, carry on riding them and post again.

The whole middle aged dentist/Sky thing does seem to wind people up when you mention Pinarello and the title probably set you up for a fall.

No, it was the "lactic acid (if that's what it is), in my legs (if that's what is propelling my bicycle) up a hill (unless its an optical illusion)" nonsense that I noticed, actually. Just smacks of talking down to the prolls on the forum to try to help them identify. The "Oooh Betty" response rather confirmed it. Too many of us have spent stupid amounts of money on bikes to be phased by that part of it.

If he'd have mentioned Rapha I'd have been wound up, granted.

londoncommuter

Speaking of flash, I've just spotted an F-10 eTap in our work's bike shed. Didn't even have mudguards fitted. Madness.

DavidJB

Came for something fascinating...was disappointed.

DavidJB

actusreus wrote:

Ricky h wrote:

Actus reus, like most people on here, you and I don't know each other from Adam but when I read your post, all I could hear in my head is John Robins reading it out on Radio X's humblebrag section. Sorry if that comes as a surprise to you. I am sure some other posters are just poking fun as a result, it's the internet, what else can you expect when you consult strangers ?

Yeah, not sure what I was thinking. I suppose I thought I was asking a question on a forum dedicated to my fellow cyclist, not a group of insecure and envious douchebags. It's really sad and disappointing that so many people come here to post just to poke fun, criticize, and put down others. This is not the first time I've noticed this kind of drivel on here. It drowns those who actually do provide meaningful and helpful advice.

To be fair I've owned some of the "best" (highly subjective) bikes there are (so no envy) and I still think you sounded like a knobba in your first post.

Moonbiker

Very dull & pompous post with a clickbait title but some of the funny answers a
made up for it.

I think the saying appropiate may be, All the gear & no idea. or as they say on the internets: facepalm.

Or is elaborate & clever trolling?

Beatmaker

actusreus wrote:

Ricky h wrote:

Actus reus, like most people on here, you and I don't know each other from Adam but when I read your post, all I could hear in my head is John Robins reading it out on Radio X's humblebrag section. Sorry if that comes as a surprise to you. I am sure some other posters are just poking fun as a result, it's the internet, what else can you expect when you consult strangers ?

Yeah, not sure what I was thinking. I suppose I thought I was asking a question on a forum dedicated to my fellow cyclist, not a group of insecure and envious douchebags. It's really sad and disappointing that so many people come here to post just to poke fun, criticize, and put down others. This is not the first time I've noticed this kind of drivel on here. It drowns those who actually do provide meaningful and helpful advice.

To be fair, amongst the less than serious answers there have been posts that are going to offer as close as an explanation as you're going to get with the information you've given. Lighten up a little though dude, there is nothing I've seen in this thread that comes close to being malicious.

N0bodyOfTheGoat

DavidJB wrote:

Came for something fascinating...was disappointed.

Just for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL1t0hE-KUw

surfercyclist

PBlakeney wrote:

The use of "twas" for example.

Wrong.

svetty

PBlakeney wrote:

The use of "twas" for example.

'twas ever thus' is a well known expression. Not sure why it was felt necessary to put the boot into this - unless a mob mentality started by the OPs slightly pretentious opening post began a trend?

chrisaonabike

Svetty wrote:

...unless a mob mentality started by the OPs slightly pretentious opening post began a trend?

Surely that would never happen here?

Still... two different bikes with presumably slight differences in geometry, feel different to ride. Wow! If the OP decides which of those bikes he doesn't want any more, I'd be happy to take it off his hands.

In other news, it was discovered today that you have to be prepared to have the p1ss taken if you're going to do well here. Fortunately, as nearly everything I do in cycling is worthy of having the p1ss taken, this was quite easy for me to learn early on...

svetty

Can't help thinking that the OP is trolling.....

chrisaonabike

Svetty wrote:

Can't help thinking that the OP is trolling.....

Who knows - maybe OP is such a fast cyclist that slight differences in frame and/or BB stiffness are the limiting factors for him on a 1.5 mile climb.

Or maybe not. Who cares, it's still a fun thread.

veronese68

ChrisAOnABike wrote:

Who cares, it's still a fun thread.

Fun, but not fascinating?
I can't help thinking some people take this place, and themselves, a little too seriously. Maybe if before taking umbrage people were to imagine the poster saying whatever they chose to take offence at with a smile on their face it would be better. A wink shouldn't be necessary after every slightly tongue in cheek post.

pblakeney

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

The use of "twas" for example.

Would you or would you not say it to ones face.

I wouldn't even use the word "ones".
Some people don't half take this place seriously though. Twas*

*Typo

briantrumpet

PBlakeney wrote:

The use of "twas" for example.

If you've ever used the word "shrift", as in the phrase "short shrift", I doubt that you know what the word actually means, yet you were happy to use the idiom. Language is full of such idioms and 'fossil words'. At least "twas" is easily understood. Mind you, I do remember the Malcolm Tucker rant about 'purview', and Jane Austen (NSFW, if you Google it).

svetty

PBlakeney wrote:

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

The use of "twas" for example.

Would you or would you not say it to ones face.

I wouldn't even use the word "ones".
Some people don't half take this place seriously though. Twas*

*Typo

Twit

*typo

surfercyclist

Saying "Twas ever thus" is not a phrase I use everyday but I have used it. And anyway, it's hardly going to insult/offend anyone is it. Unlike the crap spouted on here sometimes, which definitely would. That's the point, people say things here which they would not say to someones face. We all know this but no doubt some will deny...wait for it....

GraT

Hi, just thought I’d add my thoughts, first if you can afford two high end bikes good for you. I would however have to agree with the main consensus here that it’s position related. Have you carefully checked your crank centre to seat measurement for example, also seat nose to stem etc. If you lack the mechanical ability to sort this yourself I would suggest a trip to your LBS and get them to adjust the slower of the two to as closely as possible mach the other one. Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Gra

pblakeney

Just try saying “‘twas” in my local.
That is all.

surfercyclist

PBlakeney wrote:

Just try saying “‘twas” in my local.
That is all.

Why? What would happen? You imply something bad perhaps, in that case if I were you I'd move to a more amenable neighbourhood.

veronese68

I must say I'm as much of a smartarse in person as I am on here.

pblakeney

SurferCyclist wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Just try saying “‘twas” in my local.
That is all.

Why? What would happen? You imply something bad perhaps, in that case if I were you I'd move to a more amenable neighbourhood.

No one would be offended but anyone using it would have the proverbial ripped right out of them. All would depend on how that is received.

actusreus

GraT wrote:

Hi, just thought I’d add my thoughts, first if you can afford two high end bikes good for you. I would however have to agree with the main consensus here that it’s position related. Have you carefully checked your crank centre to seat measurement for example, also seat nose to stem etc. If you lack the mechanical ability to sort this yourself I would suggest a trip to your LBS and get them to adjust the slower of the two to as closely as possible mach the other one. Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Gra

Thank you for your response. I can't see how it's position related since it occurs during a climb out of the saddle so the seat height and saddle position are taken out of the equation. The bikes do have slightly different geometry, but the frame sizes are optimized for my size. The tires are different (Contis 4000 on the Dogma and Vittoria Corsa G+ on the Tarmac), but the tire pressure is the same, same pedals, and crank length. The experience has been repeated several times over the course of over a month, virtually same weather, and the difference is big enough to exclude how I feel on a particular day, at least in my opinion. Not sure what else I can provide in terms of factors or data, but will be happy to if it's worth continuing this thread.

I will also be happy to provide feedback regarding the differences between the two bikes after more time with the Tarmac, if anyone is interested.

pblakeney

Wheel rim, spoke and tension will also play a part.

pinno

Veronese68 wrote:

[...a bit of a hangover...

But you're always a 'bit hungover' so you have no variables to consider.

redvision

Can you post your gps files of the said rides?

It can still be the set up even if out of the saddle. Different bars and stem lengths can make a huge difference, as do shifter position.

The tyres may also be a factor but you would probably notice that on the flat as well.

Are you using the same set of wheels?

Anyway, post the ride files if you can as would be interesting to see data (If you have the sensors) from cadence, power, hr, and speed.

svetty

PBlakeney wrote:

Wheel rim, spoke and tension will also play a part.

Rim depth and number of spokes might conceivably have a miniscule effect on aero resistance but he's climbing out of the saddle uphill so this really would be minimal.

Spoke tension is irrelevant unless the wheels are so flexy that the brakes are rubbing and with the bike spec he has suggested I think this is unlikely.

sloppyschleckonds

The S-Works got the the chain on backwards?

Valve caps still on?

londoncommuter

I think it's the heavier eTAP and you should swap it for my mechanical Red.