TDF 2017:18th July - Stage 16 - Le Puy-en-Velay - Romans-sur-Isère165kms *Spoilers*

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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Boys, boys... It's all well and good this prediction malarky, but it's not an echelon until ATC sounds the klaxon. I actually suspect that the klaxon is so powerful it causes the splits.

    Mange tak.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Any, I missed today's stage, due to being on an aeroplane. The thread as usual has some food info on what happened, by DK TV coverage was more focussed on Birdsong at hoe with his baby....

    So, your starters for ten:

    1) Who kicked off the echelons? From the brief glimpse I saw it looked like Sky. Hav they really become the new QS?
    2) There seemed to be a suggestion that Aru had to work hard to make the split - is this right, and if so, how hard?

    Thanks in advance. Winner gets a Blue Peter badge and a chance to meet one of The Doctor's companions.
    Sky got themselves at the front to navigate a couple of tricky turns in a small town and then just kept the pressure on which caused the split. Aru was maybe 2 to 3 bike lengths off the back, couple of more and he may have been toast.

    MY MAN Kwia was instrumental in getting Froome to the front and forcing the pace. He was getting a lot of love from José and Karsten.
    Yep, Froome owes Kwia big time for everything he's done this tour. Quality bike rider and clearly happy to give everything for the team.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Thank you slim and ATC.

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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Thank you slim and ATC.

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    WOOF!
    Correlation is not causation.
  • bluemoon17
    bluemoon17 Posts: 718
    The_Boy wrote:
    Could some kind soul give me a performance review for my man bardet? When I finally got into my flat, I Ieard the comms talking about naesen earning his keep but a little concerned about the next two days.

    Bardet said that Naesen saved his tour today.
  • craigus89
    craigus89 Posts: 887
    So Degenkolb is a bit of a d1ck then. I'm no Matthews fan but he had no case at all to say he closed the door on him.

    Needs to grow a pair.
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    Bluemoon17 wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Could some kind soul give me a performance review for my man bardet? When I finally got into my flat, I Ieard the comms talking about naesen earning his keep but a little concerned about the next two days.

    Bardet said that Naesen saved his tour today.

    Definitely kept him in front group - Bardet looked gapped and Naesen buried himself to get him back on. Not sure anyone else made it.
    @stagehopper
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Only just caught up. I thought EBH had won it there. Glad he didn't. Phew.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Bluemoon17 wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Could some kind soul give me a performance review for my man bardet? When I finally got into my flat, I Ieard the comms talking about naesen earning his keep but a little concerned about the next two days.

    Bardet said that Naesen saved his tour today.
    On the Cycling Podcast Naesen said him and Bardet were sitting immediately behind Dan Martin when Martin lost the wheel to create the gap and the two of them had to go full on to ride across the gap.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Dav1d1 wrote:
    Kittel fined 200CHF for swearing at a jury member

    Definitely worth it.
    _
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Boys on ITV didn't ID Degenkolb (at least, on the highlights) and I think my wife got a bit fed up with me going ARE WE SURE THAT'S DEGENKOLB, and then thought I was odd when the sprint kicked off I was shouting 'YES HE'S NODDING IT'S DEGENKOLB'.

    And Matthews knew what he was doing in the sprint with Degenkolb but then if Degenkolb wants to moan he can start his sprint ahead of Matthews rather than behind.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,605
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Crozza wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Well I'm going to blow my own horn as I managed to predict the exact section of road where the echelons went. If Quickstep need a DS they can PM me.

    well played

    as an aside, is there any talk of Tommeke joining QS in any kind of capacity?

    Ok, now I am going to have a bit of a flounce around and kick my teddy bear.

    Yesterday.
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Crosswinds?

    Ah well, now you come to mention it.

    http://france.lachainemeteo.com/meteo-f ... 4447-1.php

    Judging from those gusts, there is plenty of puff, but mostly from an unfavourable direction.
    Big tailwind to finish, but the few kms beforehand, between Chateauneuf sur Isere and Alixan could prove tricky, with a direct crosswind, if the forecast is to be believed.
    Especially as the roads at that point are rather narrow, minor "D" roads.

    Decent effort but you didn't give any detail, I'll give you a share of the glory though if you like :lol:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    RichN95 wrote:
    Bluemoon17 wrote:
    The_Boy wrote:
    Could some kind soul give me a performance review for my man bardet? When I finally got into my flat, I Ieard the comms talking about naesen earning his keep but a little concerned about the next two days.

    Bardet said that Naesen saved his tour today.
    On the Cycling Podcast Naesen said him and Bardet were sitting immediately behind Dan Martin when Martin lost the wheel to create the gap and the two of them had to go full on to ride across the gap.

    Who knew the Belgian champ and Flanders specialist would be alright in crosswinds? :wink:
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Also, is Pantano out?

    If so :(. He's my man.
    _
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    kleinstroker wrote:
    Can't go wrong with a bottle or two of Paul Jaboulet

    Can't find any near here for a sensible price unfortunately. I'm off this week so looking for some local wines to increase my enjoyment of the stage...

    I think I'll have to settle for a Crozes-Hermitage.

    Another option might be:

    http://www.waitrosecellar.com/all-wine- ... int-joseph

    Co op had a Crozes-Hermitage which is proving more than adequate.

    Fun stage- bad for my PTP though! A lot of other people in the same boat though.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,605
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Boys on ITV didn't ID Degenkolb (at least, on the highlights) and I think my wife got a bit fed up with me going ARE WE SURE THAT'S DEGENKOLB, and then thought I was odd when the sprint kicked off I was shouting 'YES HE'S NODDING IT'S DEGENKOLB'.

    And Matthews knew what he was doing in the sprint with Degenkolb but then if Degenkolb wants to moan he can start his sprint ahead of Matthews rather than behind.

    Just had his elbows out didn't he? First lesson sprint school, his sprint was pretty straight. I think Degenkolb was just frustrated as he's had so few opportunities since that big training crash.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    :lol: Matthews had a high speed police escort, complete with flashing lights, all the way along the motorway, straight through the peage, to his hotel.
    Turns out they were after a photo.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Pross wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Boys on ITV didn't ID Degenkolb (at least, on the highlights) and I think my wife got a bit fed up with me going ARE WE SURE THAT'S DEGENKOLB, and then thought I was odd when the sprint kicked off I was shouting 'YES HE'S NODDING IT'S DEGENKOLB'.

    And Matthews knew what he was doing in the sprint with Degenkolb but then if Degenkolb wants to moan he can start his sprint ahead of Matthews rather than behind.

    Just had his elbows out didn't he? First lesson sprint school, his sprint was pretty straight. I think Degenkolb was just frustrated as he's had so few opportunities since that big training crash.

    Nah he sprinted diagonally - straight - but diagonally.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,444
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    pirnie wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Did everyone else just see an enormous Tarte aux Fraises?

    Which Kirby called a Paella... FFS

    Ha - I was watching on the Eurosport player, so heard the nice Frenchman say what it was. I assume this was one of those bits where they show it so that the locals don't block the road with tractors in protest.
    Thank the Lord for ITV.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,340
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, is Pantano out?

    If so :(. He's my man.

    Not listed as a withdrawal on the Tour website, Wasn't doing the ouchy collar bone pose either, so fingers crossed he's 'just' banged up a bit.
    Twitter: @canocola @thedreadships
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, is Pantano out?

    If so :(. He's my man.

    Not listed as a withdrawal on the Tour website, Wasn't doing the ouchy collar bone pose either, so fingers crossed he's 'just' banged up a bit.

    Had him down for tomorrow to do something.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,605
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Boys on ITV didn't ID Degenkolb (at least, on the highlights) and I think my wife got a bit fed up with me going ARE WE SURE THAT'S DEGENKOLB, and then thought I was odd when the sprint kicked off I was shouting 'YES HE'S NODDING IT'S DEGENKOLB'.

    And Matthews knew what he was doing in the sprint with Degenkolb but then if Degenkolb wants to moan he can start his sprint ahead of Matthews rather than behind.

    Just had his elbows out didn't he? First lesson sprint school, his sprint was pretty straight. I think Degenkolb was just frustrated as he's had so few opportunities since that big training crash.

    Nah he sprinted diagonally - straight - but diagonally.

    Still fine with me, as long as there's no sudden change of direction and you're in front. It was what annoyed me with that Cav relegation against Thor that cost him a green jersey
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Sure. But he can't act all dumb as to why he upset Degenkolb.
    _
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    Warren Barguil sounds like Radar O'Reilly from M*A*S*H, but with a French accent
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,487
    TailWindHome wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    I think the top seven will end up the top seven


    What's the lowest place on GC the riders would consider worth more than a stage win in the Alps

    I'd say 8th on GC. Depends on who you are though. 8th on GC is different for Bob Jungels, than for Contador.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    Well I missed all this thanks to a work-related event

    Boo re Dan Martin time loss

    Meh to Matthews

    Lolz at annoyed Kidl & Degz
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Also, is Pantano out?

    If so :(. He's my man.

    You could see him crashing, just as Kwiat had given to charge order and everything was beginning to string out,
    I have a feeling that this is how Contador shipped time, as it was right at the back of the strung out bunch.

    I also have a feeling that Bardet and Aru would not have seen them again, had Thomas and Rowe been there.
    Aru had to make a huge 30+ second effort and was getting nowhere until the initial echelon stalled.

    Naesen most definitely saved Bardet.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    apologies if I've missed this but I assume Rowe isnt tip top healthy-wise?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,462
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    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Timoid. wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Call me a killjoy, but I don't really want to see any of the contenders eliminated by the wind this year. I want them all in contention for the Alps.


    I'm hoping Dan can get back the minute he lost on the Porte crash.

    He has the team to do it.

    Well I got that arse about face.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.

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