TDF 2017: 14 July - Stage 13 - Saint-Girons - Foix 101kms *Spoilers*

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Timoid. wrote:

    You give him too much credit.

    Landa will be fuming

    Do you honestly believe in the team chat they thought he'd get near the yellow jersey? They'd want him up the road (which I thought no one would ever let happen) so make people chase, but they would've expected it to come back more or less.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • davesnothere
    davesnothere Posts: 620
    Timoid. wrote:
    Aru looks like Dr Teeth

    I can't see it?

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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    RichN95 wrote:
    Why? The chasers should have gained a minute or more back in the last 25km. They caught back two seconds.


    More like 25s

    Had they sat on, the gap may have grown or Aru would have been tired out containing it.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    AG2R were disappointing in support of French Exchange Student today IMO
  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Froome is a control freak as are Team Sky. Froome is riding with the TT in mind. He knows if he can control the gaps to everyone, team mates included, then he should have more than enough come Marseille to ensure another TdF win.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Timoid. wrote:
    Aru looks like Dr Teeth

    More like..

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  • Harry182
    Harry182 Posts: 1,170
    iainf72 wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:

    You give him too much credit.

    Landa will be fuming

    Do you honestly believe in the team chat they thought he'd get near the yellow jersey? They'd want him up the road (which I thought no one would ever let happen) so make people chase, but they would've expected it to come back more or less.

    Problem is the "people chasing" were mostly Sky.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    Timoid. wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Why? The chasers should have gained a minute or more back in the last 25km. They caught back two seconds.


    More like 25s

    Had they sat on, the gap may have grown or Aru would have been tired out containing it.
    When they passed the 25km to go banner the gap was 1.50. At the end it was 1.48
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Harry182 wrote:

    Problem is the "people chasing" were mostly Sky.

    And Landa was driving the break. Doesn't make sense.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    RichN95 wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Why? The chasers should have gained a minute or more back in the last 25km. They caught back two seconds.


    More like 25s

    Had they sat on, the gap may have grown or Aru would have been tired out containing it.
    When they passed the 25km to go banner the gap was 1.50. At the end it was 1.48

    But in the interim it rose to 2'10 or so.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    If Landa had taken the Yellow Jersey, Quintana would now be only 58s down on GC. I don't think that would be a good idea.
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    RichN95 wrote:
    If Landa had taken the Yellow Jersey, Quintana would now be only 58s down on GC. I don't think that would be a good idea.

    So why didn't he sit in? He was driving the break.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Not sure what people expect from a bloke that has won the thing three times. It's not pretty viewing but it's what gives the very best that extra 1% to do what they do. Ruthlessness is a must in winners.

    It's not the ruthlessness I object to so much as I think it was a bit silly to not make Aru do the chasing.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,103
    Froome was never going to want Landa in yellow I think it's simple as that. I don't overly blame him he signed as team leader why open the issue up when you don't have to. As others have already said I'm not convinced it made a huge difference anyway, there were a few in that group who seemed happy to ride, if it had been just Froome and maybe Aru and Bardet it would have been more blatant. No doubt Landa will be peeved but you that's life.

    Ultimately a good stage but could have been a great one, really needed some GC action on that last climb.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,646
    I genuinely just misread the caption:
    "Barguil, winner, stage 13" as "winner, age 13"
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    edited July 2017
    Warren Barguil interviewed by Matt Rendell.
    I hope his voice breaks soon, poor thing.
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    I genuinely just misread the caption:
    "Barguil, winner, stage 13" as "winner, age 13"

    Hah! Sure sounds 13.
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  • kleinstroker
    kleinstroker Posts: 2,133
    Aru looks happy with his prize

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  • slim_boy_fat
    slim_boy_fat Posts: 1,810
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Slim Boy Fat wrote:
    Not sure what people expect from a bloke that has won the thing three times. It's not pretty viewing but it's what gives the very best that extra 1% to do what they do. Ruthlessness is a must in winners.

    It's not the ruthlessness I object to so much as I think it was a bit silly to not make Aru do the chasing.
    Froome had Teeny Tana to worry about as well. I think he's keeping all possible GC contenders at a manageable distance considering the TT to come. Letting Aru do the chasing wouldn't have guaranteed keeping Teeny Tana and Landa at arms length. Like I said, control freak.
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Think Froome was just trying to out-distance Aru in the run-in, not thinking of other riders, whether Landa, Quintana or anyone else. Hoped Aru might be tired enough that he could have got a couple hundred metres clear - that would have made up the 6 secs. So yes, own interest and ambition.
    But Froome didn't anyway appear himself able to sustain it, even if Aru hadn't latched on.

    Although not keen on him, I hope this was the beginning of a Quintana revival in time for the Alps, so the mix continues.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    Timoid. wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    If Landa had taken the Yellow Jersey, Quintana would now be only 58s down on GC. I don't think that would be a good idea.

    So why didn't he sit in? He was driving the break.
    Because a gap of about two minutes was about right for Sky. One minute and Landa doesn't get close enough to Aru to be a present threat, 3 minutes and Quintana is too close.

    Quintana is the only rider Froome genuinely fears.
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Richmond Racer 2 wrote:
    Anyhooooooos

    Short explosive stages FTW
    Interviewed halfway through today's stage, Jensi said 'That's where the future lies'.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    The best stage of the year so far, for all the right reasons. Highlights won't consist of multiple slo-mo crashes, just lots of breaks and good or bad tactics.

    If they repeat a stage like this, Sky may learn how to neutralise it like they do everything else, but that was good to watch.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Perhaps Landa was told to sit up and ignored it?

    That could've happened too....
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    RichN95 wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    If Landa had taken the Yellow Jersey, Quintana would now be only 58s down on GC. I don't think that would be a good idea.

    So why didn't he sit in? He was driving the break.
    Because a gap of about two minutes was about right for Sky. One minute and Landa doesn't get close enough to Aru to be a present threat, 3 minutes and Quintana is too close.

    Quintana is the only rider Froome genuinely fears.

    This is how I see it. The attacking on the run in was possibly designed to wear Aru down. A few more stage like that might break him, but not necessarily his first day as leader.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    If they want to work over Aru, then Sunday is the day to do it. This was just moving troops into position.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Anyway...

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    Correlation is not causation.
  • Richmond Racer 2
    Richmond Racer 2 Posts: 4,698
    le Pauvre.... :(
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    If Landa had taken the Yellow Jersey, Quintana would now be only 58s down on GC. I don't think that would be a good idea.

    So why didn't he sit in? He was driving the break.
    Because a gap of about two minutes was about right for Sky. One minute and Landa doesn't get close enough to Aru to be a present threat, 3 minutes and Quintana is too close.

    Quintana is the only rider Froome genuinely fears.

    This is how I see it. The attacking on the run in was possibly designed to wear Aru down. A few more stage like that might break him, but not necessarily his first day as leader.

    It's got to be psychologically demoralising at the least, to know that your nearest rival has a team so strong that they have a team mate up the road and another team mate with you in an elite group, while you have no one, and aren't going to have anyone on stages like this because they're either injured or have abandoned.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Alan Ha Ha
    Alan Ha Ha Posts: 88
    Above The Cows wrote:
    Anyway...

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  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    iainf72 wrote:
    Perhaps Landa was told to sit up and ignored it?

    That could've happened too....


    This. Probably.
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