Froome v Wiggins
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Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Sigh
Walk away... Just walk away...0 -
I think the sad thing is that Froome knows deep down that Wiggins has a charisma and aura beyond that which he has.
Despite his better Tour palmares.0 -
dish_dash wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Sigh
Walk away... Just walk away...
The fella and his wife are climbing Ventoux today in company with Tom Simpson's family and friends - 50 years to the day...0 -
If Froome has a reasonable grievance it should be the '11 Vuelta rather than the '12 Tour, at the Vuelta they realised too late that Wiggins wouldn't win whilst Froome would have done. In the Tour Froome did very little to support Wiggins with Porte and Rogers doing the vast bulk which Froome benefitted from as well as Wiggins. This stage that he could possibly (probably) have won he dangled off the back and looked to be dropped when he should have been working at the front and suddenly he came back, went through the group and off the front before doing his 'hurry up' hand gestures. He didn't act like a committed team mate much in the race as a whole and on that stage behaved like an idiot. I lost a lot of respect for him, like it or not his job was to ride for Wiggins and he'd accepted a new contract a few months before where he no doubt had it explained that 2012 was Wiggins year.0
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Richmond Racer 2 wrote:dish_dash wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Sigh
Walk away... Just walk away...
The fella and his wife are climbing Ventoux today in company with Tom Simpson's family and friends - 50 years to the day...
I saw. Good chat about it on ITV earlier with Pippa.
I can't see Froome doing something like that...0 -
Pross wrote:I lost a lot of respect for him, like it or not his job was to ride for Wiggins and he'd accepted a new contract a few months before where he no doubt had it explained that 2012 was Wiggins year.
Not the way he describes it. His book says the team put in his contract (at his request) they would "support [Froome] in [his] ambitions in the Tour de France".0 -
But Wiggins is a personal friend of the Simpson family, Froome isn't. Joanne Simpson, Tom's daughter who is doing the ride, used to be a housemate of Wiggins's dad in Ghent.dish_dash wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:dish_dash wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Sigh
Walk away... Just walk away...
The fella and his wife are climbing Ventoux today in company with Tom Simpson's family and friends - 50 years to the day...
I saw. Good chat about it on ITV earlier with Pippa.
I can't see Froome doing something like that...Twitter: @RichN950 -
KingstonGraham wrote:Pross wrote:I lost a lot of respect for him, like it or not his job was to ride for Wiggins and he'd accepted a new contract a few months before where he no doubt had it explained that 2012 was Wiggins year.
Not the way he describes it. His book says the team put in his contract (at his request) they would "support [Froome] in [his] ambitions in the Tour de France".
I'm no lawyer, but that sounds a bit imprecise for a contract to me.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
But Wiggins is a personal friend of the Simpson family, Froome isn't. Joanne Simpson, Tom's daughter who is doing the ride, used to be a housemate of Wiggins's dad in Ghent.dish_dash wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:dish_dash wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Sigh
Walk away... Just walk away...
The fella and his wife are climbing Ventoux today in company with Tom Simpson's family and friends - 50 years to the day...
I saw. Good chat about it on ITV earlier with Pippa.
I can't see Froome doing something like that...
Ever to Froome's defense
I don't see Froome making this kind of gesture more generally. I get no sense that he has much of a sense of cycling history etc.0 -
No argument there. Apparently he once spoke to Richard Virenque for twenty minutes at a party in Monaco without having a clue who he was.dish_dash wrote:I don't see Froome making this kind of gesture more generally. I get no sense that he has much of a sense of cycling history etc.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
No argument there. Apparently he once spoke to Richard Virenque for twenty minutes at a party in Monaco without having a clue who he was.dish_dash wrote:I don't see Froome making this kind of gesture more generally. I get no sense that he has much of a sense of cycling history etc.
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Wallace and Gromit wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Pross wrote:I lost a lot of respect for him, like it or not his job was to ride for Wiggins and he'd accepted a new contract a few months before where he no doubt had it explained that 2012 was Wiggins year.
Not the way he describes it. His book says the team put in his contract (at his request) they would "support [Froome] in [his] ambitions in the Tour de France".
I'm no lawyer, but that sounds a bit imprecise for a contract to me.
During the 2012 tour... "I'd called Michelle earlier that morning and said, 'Please go through my contract and just check exactly what the wording says. I'm going to remind Dave of that today. I'm going to tell him that I have every right to attack on this climb at the end of the stage.'0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:Pross wrote:I lost a lot of respect for him, like it or not his job was to ride for Wiggins and he'd accepted a new contract a few months before where he no doubt had it explained that 2012 was Wiggins year.
Not the way he describes it. His book says the team put in his contract (at his request) they would "support [Froome] in [his] ambitions in the Tour de France".
IT probably said 'in 2013' or something though.0 -
Wallace and Gromit wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Pross wrote:I lost a lot of respect for him, like it or not his job was to ride for Wiggins and he'd accepted a new contract a few months before where he no doubt had it explained that 2012 was Wiggins year.
Not the way he describes it. His book says the team put in his contract (at his request) they would "support [Froome] in [his] ambitions in the Tour de France".
I'm no lawyer, but that sounds a bit imprecise for a contract to me.
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dish_dash wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:dish_dash wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Sigh
Walk away... Just walk away...
The fella and his wife are climbing Ventoux today in company with Tom Simpson's family and friends - 50 years to the day...
I saw. Good chat about it on ITV earlier with Pippa.
I can't see Froome doing something like that...
Vin Denson joined the party too. Great pics of them all on the top of Ventoux0 -
Interesting to reflect on the 2012 madness had Wiggins fallen by the wayside. Froome becomes the first GB winner who doesn't gel with the UK public at large, backs it up with a silver medal in the Olympics TT, which by then was unremarkable, and then disappears off to Monaco/Africa only resurfacing in July to ride the Tour, quietly in the mainstream media background.
I thought Froome had a cheek, he hadn't cemented the right to go for the Tour and needed the experience as super-dom to go forward. I think, in time and with a healthy palmares upon retirement, he will probably see this and reflect more positively. At the moment he must rue a Vuelta that he's still unable to win and an extra Tour that will seat him with the Gods. If he gets them anyway, he may chill.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:I'm going to tell him that I have every right to attack on this climb at the end of the stage.'
So why didn't he attack then?0 -
Wallace and Gromit wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:I'm going to tell him that I have every right to attack on this climb at the end of the stage.'
So why didn't he attack then?
Because he was told not to!0 -
Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Classic Brailsford
It feels more like classic artistic licence to sell a book to me!
Wiggo was clearly Sky's choice as the #1 rider in 2011 and 2012 and I'm pretty sure that his and everyone else's contracts reflected this.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:Wallace and Gromit wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:I'm going to tell him that I have every right to attack on this climb at the end of the stage.'
So why didn't he attack then?
Because he was told not to!
Exactly. Because he was contractually obliged to do as he was told.0 -
Wallace and Gromit wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Wallace and Gromit wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:I'm going to tell him that I have every right to attack on this climb at the end of the stage.'
So why didn't he attack then?
Because he was told not to!
Exactly. Because he was contractually obliged to do as he was told.
Like I say, he comes across as a bit of a tool in his book.0 -
If I thought I could win the Tour by attacking then in Froome's position I'm not sure my radio would be working that day, basically unless Sean Yates grabbed his saddle and pulled him back it's up to him to attack and force Sky's hand. Personally I think he had too much to make up anyway, he may have been marginally stronger but that puncture would probably have cost him the race.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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DeVlaeminck wrote:If I thought I could win the Tour by attacking then in Froome's position I'm not sure my radio would be working that day...
I've often thought that. It's not as though Sky would have sacked him for winning the Tour so that he could then go a win it for someone else.
It's probably not a bad position for Froome to be in re 2012. He has all Wiggo's detractors saying he's the moral winner, without actually having had to make up the time by sustaining any attacks.0 -
All ifs, buts and maybes. My OP was more about Froome's general lack of respect/acknowledgement t of Sky/Wiggins's 2012 win. He seems to cultivate the message that he could've/would've won that year had he not been muzzled.0
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Landa not allowed to ride for the Stage win yesterday.............outragious hypocricy :?0
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ddraver wrote:They clear didn't get on, it was a sh1tty year for him. Not surprising.
Runner-up in the Tour, bronze medal in the Olympic TT, 4th in the Vuelta.
And a 10-fold increase in his salary.
I think most people would describe that as something other than a 'sh*tty year*0 -
Might have been a mistake, he could have nabbed some time bonuses off the other GC guys (on the super steep slopes in a sprint like that there isn't much a team mate could do).pedro118118 wrote:Landa not allowed to ride for the Stage win yesterday.............outragious hypocricy :?0 -
I've just come across the allegation that Wiggins withheld Froome's share of the win bonus for 14 months from 2012. Not something I'd heard before. No wonder he's not singing Wiggins' praise.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... onths.html0
