Vulpine, gone.

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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Rescued from administration by Mango Bikes, apparently.
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Yeah, had a look at their directors on Companies House and those guys are in charge of a few different things. That's not a glowing recommendation per se, but shows some accumen.
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  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    Yeah, had a look at their directors on Companies House and those guys are in charge of a few different things. That's not a glowing recommendation per se, but shows some accumen.


    Latest reported annual accounts for Mango show a company value of minus £31k........
    “Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”

    Desmond Tutu
  • flasher
    flasher Posts: 1,734
    Well that keeps their tax liabilities to a minimum.
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    Slowmart wrote:
    Yeah, had a look at their directors on Companies House and those guys are in charge of a few different things. That's not a glowing recommendation per se, but shows some accumen.


    Latest reported annual accounts for Mango show a company value of minus £31k........

    Isn't that how they all work? ;)
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Slowmart wrote:
    Yeah, had a look at their directors on Companies House and those guys are in charge of a few different things. That's not a glowing recommendation per se, but shows some accumen.


    Latest reported annual accounts for Mango show a company value of minus £31k........

    Isn't that how they all work? ;)
    Yeah, companies house records should be taken with a big pinch of salt...
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Hope they've done their research.
  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    It'll be a bargain basement acquisition of existing stock, assets and what's left of any good will.

    Dependant upon the price paid it could be worth a punt I'd have thought IF you've got the supply chain in situ with a resilient client base.
    “Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”

    Desmond Tutu
  • TonyJams
    TonyJams Posts: 214
    Slowmart wrote:
    It'll be a bargain basement acquisition of existing stock, assets and what's left of any good will.

    Dependant upon the price paid it could be worth a punt I'd have thought IF you've got the supply chain in situ with a resilient client base.
    If they've got it cheap it could be an absolute bargain, especially if they were already looking at clothing and have a manufacturer already in place.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    TonyJams wrote:
    Slowmart wrote:
    It'll be a bargain basement acquisition of existing stock, assets and what's left of any good will.

    Dependant upon the price paid it could be worth a punt I'd have thought IF you've got the supply chain in situ with a resilient client base.
    If they've got it cheap it could be an absolute bargain, especially if they were already looking at clothing and have a manufacturer already in place.

    I wouldn't quite say it was an absolute bargain - the stuff failed to sell in the first place causing the first people to transfer their assets into the personal name not leaving themselves en to having to pay their creditors and to go into admin so all the new people have done is buy a load of clothes at a cheap price that won't sell.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • The socks are nice though
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    My ex was nice until she turned into a mental hag.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    TonyJams wrote:
    Slowmart wrote:
    It'll be a bargain basement acquisition of existing stock, assets and what's left of any good will.

    Dependant upon the price paid it could be worth a punt I'd have thought IF you've got the supply chain in situ with a resilient client base.
    If they've got it cheap it could be an absolute bargain, especially if they were already looking at clothing and have a manufacturer already in place.

    I wouldn't quite say it was an absolute bargain - the stuff failed to sell in the first place causing the first people to transfer their assets into the personal name not leaving themselves en to having to pay their creditors and to go into admin so all the new people have done is buy a load of clothes at a cheap price that won't sell.

    That's too simplistic. Transfer of assets at an undervalue is a serious issue and the administrator has sharp teeth in this respect. The company still has a client base and marketing to that will drive sales.
    “Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”

    Desmond Tutu
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Slowmart wrote:
    TonyJams wrote:
    Slowmart wrote:
    It'll be a bargain basement acquisition of existing stock, assets and what's left of any good will.

    Dependant upon the price paid it could be worth a punt I'd have thought IF you've got the supply chain in situ with a resilient client base.
    If they've got it cheap it could be an absolute bargain, especially if they were already looking at clothing and have a manufacturer already in place.

    I wouldn't quite say it was an absolute bargain - the stuff failed to sell in the first place causing the first people to transfer their assets into the personal name not leaving themselves en to having to pay their creditors and to go into admin so all the new people have done is buy a load of clothes at a cheap price that won't sell.

    That's too simplistic. Transfer of assets at an undervalue is a serious issue and the administrator has sharp teeth in this respect. The company still has a client base and marketing to that will drive sales.

    Stop trying to complicate matters to look clever and use big words and fascist theories.

    Simple market economics, innit - it didn't sell first time round, it's not going to sell second time round especially as everyone knows the firm shut down first time round because their stuff was no good.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    Fascist theories?
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • plowmar
    plowmar Posts: 1,032
    From what I understand, rightly or wrongly, is that the pricing for the quality was wrong, not that the clothing was rubbish.

    Never the less following on from my previous comments, my wife has received an e-mail to confirm that her order will be completed. So we wait and see what happens.
  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    plowmar wrote:
    From what I understand, rightly or wrongly, is that the pricing for the quality was wrong, not that the clothing was rubbish.

    .

    Mehh the only bit of kit I got from them was badly fitting - and with the thinnest thermal material around. Even at sale price it was pants.

    I do like the look of their city jackets though - but for the sporty cycling range - I'm not bothering with them again.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Fenix wrote:
    plowmar wrote:
    From what I understand, rightly or wrongly, is that the pricing for the quality was wrong, not that the clothing was rubbish.

    .

    Mehh the only bit of kit I got from them was badly fitting - and with the thinnest thermal material around. Even at sale price it was pants.

    I do like the look of their city jackets though - but for the sporty cycling range - I'm not bothering with them again.

    Going from this thread, the problems seemed to be

    Over priced
    Poor delivery
    Poor materials
    Poor fitting
    Wear out easily
    Poor customer relations
    No USP in a market of the same stuff
    Just a shop selling loads of t shirts and shirts with the occasional bicycle related thing thrown in
    Bland advertising guff putting off new customers

    Not really selling it to me
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Keep on topic please. A few unnecessary posts deleted.

    Thanks.
    BikeRadar Communities Manager
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Thank you Josh!
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    Slowmart wrote:
    TonyJams wrote:
    Slowmart wrote:
    It'll be a bargain basement acquisition of existing stock, assets and what's left of any good will.

    Dependant upon the price paid it could be worth a punt I'd have thought IF you've got the supply chain in situ with a resilient client base.
    If they've got it cheap it could be an absolute bargain, especially if they were already looking at clothing and have a manufacturer already in place.

    I wouldn't quite say it was an absolute bargain - the stuff failed to sell in the first place causing the first people to transfer their assets into the personal name not leaving themselves en to having to pay their creditors and to go into admin so all the new people have done is buy a load of clothes at a cheap price that won't sell.

    That's too simplistic. Transfer of assets at an undervalue is a serious issue and the administrator has sharp teeth in this respect. The company still has a client base and marketing to that will drive sales.

    Stop trying to complicate matters to look clever and use big words and fascist theories.

    Simple market economics, innit - it didn't sell first time round, it's not going to sell second time round especially as everyone knows the firm shut down first time round because their stuff was no good.

    I'm sure if it's "simple market economics" it's through a conscious choice that you haven't harnessed your superior intellect to make your billions though market manipulation .... :wink:
    “Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”

    Desmond Tutu
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Slowmart wrote:
    Slowmart wrote:
    TonyJams wrote:
    Slowmart wrote:
    It'll be a bargain basement acquisition of existing stock, assets and what's left of any good will.

    Dependant upon the price paid it could be worth a punt I'd have thought IF you've got the supply chain in situ with a resilient client base.
    If they've got it cheap it could be an absolute bargain, especially if they were already looking at clothing and have a manufacturer already in place.

    I wouldn't quite say it was an absolute bargain - the stuff failed to sell in the first place causing the first people to transfer their assets into the personal name not leaving themselves en to having to pay their creditors and to go into admin so all the new people have done is buy a load of clothes at a cheap price that won't sell.

    That's too simplistic. Transfer of assets at an undervalue is a serious issue and the administrator has sharp teeth in this respect. The company still has a client base and marketing to that will drive sales.

    Stop trying to complicate matters to look clever and use big words and fascist theories.

    Simple market economics, innit - it didn't sell first time round, it's not going to sell second time round especially as everyone knows the firm shut down first time round because their stuff was no good.

    I'm sure if it's "simple market economics" it's through a conscious choice that you haven't harnessed your superior intellect to make your billions though market manipulation .... :wink:

    You are correct - I chose to do a job that benefits people.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Vulpine boxer shorts as per this month's Cyclist magazine: an absolute bargain at £55 (yup, fifty five Pounds) per pair.

    And you wonder why they went bust (no brassiere jokes please).
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    Vulpine boxer shorts as per this month's Cyclist magazine: an absolute bargain at £55 (yup, fifty five Pounds) per pair.

    And you wonder why they went bust (no brassiere jokes please).

    I have a couple of pairs of their cotton rain shorts for 2 years that I got for £35 a pair. I think they were £90 or something full price. I wear them all the time, mainly just as shorts, and they're great - very good material and cut. I also bagged a Hoy branded packable waterproof jacket for £30 in one of the more recent "fire sales" RRP was £120. It's a great bit of kit for £30. At £120 it's daylight robbery.

    Vulpine's RRPs were/are ridiculous, and there just isn't much of a market for that high end casual commuting gear where you step off the bike into a meeting or whatever. If your commute is 2 or 3 miles, you really can just wear normal clothes, and loads of people do. If it's further, people wear "proper" cycling kit or gym kit with an Altura hi-viz jacket over the top.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Those sale prices are fine.

    The RRP prices are an utter rip off, however t seems that some people are happy to and will pay them (Chapeau, etc). But not for Vulpine.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    Those sale prices are fine.

    The RRP prices are an utter rip off, however t seems that some people are happy to and will pay them (Chapeau, etc). But not for Vulpine.

    I got 2 l/s thermal Chapeau jerseys with matching socks for £90. Never pay RRP. It's just some polyester after all.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Farcical.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.