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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate? They aren't really better off are they?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:

    There must be a part of you that respects him as a politician.

    For Brexit they had Boris to whip up the crowds whilst he was in the background dealing with the economics - that is a pretty sh1t hand that he played brilliantly.

    What contribution did he make aside from saying that we'd had enough of hearing from "experts".

    if you look back he was front and centre defending the ludicrous notion that all would be fine. His "experts" comment was a particularly low moment that if the opposition were any good should have ended his career

    I think defending a ludicrous notion conveys whatever the opposite of intellectual ballast is...

    The experts comment was from the point of view of someone who has just read Black Swan...exactly what someone who was reading Black Swan would say. But it was phrased incredibly poorly.

    Economic experts make predictions, it's not an exact science.

    And almost a year after the vote, the experts have been proved to be wrong and not just a little bit, but by a huge margin. Which is exactly the point he was making.

    It really wasn't. Brexit is an act of self harm that can only be justified if you value sovereignity over prosperity. This was said by Farage and confirmed by Grayling on my doorstep.

    Rather than naming an expert why don't you name one other person in the world who believes that we will be better off ten years after Brexit.

    He could easily have said the economists were in collusion with the govt/treasury over their predictions. It's plainly obvious that all the political resources were directed to the remain camp e.g. Govt departments, the £9m leaflet, etc. 'Had enough of experts' was a measured way of saying the above.

    We will be better off in 10 years time than today. We will have saved at least £64bn in net EU contributions for starters. All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already. It would take a very large shift for the direction of travel of these companies to be worse off in 10 years time. We could ask any of them...

    Think of it as UK PLC and that being better off rather than individuals.

    Why do you think you know more than all the leading Brexiteers? Why do they think it will be worse for 20 years and you don't. What do you know that they don't?

    The only thing I'm certain of, is that I know no-one knows. I could make a prediction for 20 years time and it would be as valid as a prediction from you or one from Mark Carney. The reason I can be confident about this statement is that it would actually be a guess by all three of us and not a prediction.

    The fact you keep quoting 5, 10 or 20 year predictions demonstrates how little you actually know and are aware of.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate? They aren't really better off are they?

    You better pop down to the London Stock Exchange and enlighten them with this revelation as their cumulative knowledge seems to be inferior to yours.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate? They aren't really better off are they?

    You better pop down to the London Stock Exchange and enlighten them with this revelation as their cumulative knowledge seems to be inferior to yours.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate? They aren't really better off are they?

    You better pop down to the London Stock Exchange and enlighten them with this revelation as their cumulative knowledge seems to be inferior to yours.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate?

    Yes
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TailWindHome wrote:
    But, the DUP, they're mad Ted.

    They really are.

    Read somewhere they have put their marches through hostile territory fairly high on their Tory wish list.
    _
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    One thing that has occurred and was predicted is the drop in EU nurses registering to work in NHS, this shortage of EU worker is also happening in the food industry.
    Its made worse by a few other factors unique to Nursing but these dont effect the food sector.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:

    There must be a part of you that respects him as a politician.

    For Brexit they had Boris to whip up the crowds whilst he was in the background dealing with the economics - that is a pretty sh1t hand that he played brilliantly.

    What contribution did he make aside from saying that we'd had enough of hearing from "experts".

    if you look back he was front and centre defending the ludicrous notion that all would be fine. His "experts" comment was a particularly low moment that if the opposition were any good should have ended his career

    I think defending a ludicrous notion conveys whatever the opposite of intellectual ballast is...

    The experts comment was from the point of view of someone who has just read Black Swan...exactly what someone who was reading Black Swan would say. But it was phrased incredibly poorly.

    Economic experts make predictions, it's not an exact science.

    And almost a year after the vote, the experts have been proved to be wrong and not just a little bit, but by a huge margin. Which is exactly the point he was making.

    It really wasn't. Brexit is an act of self harm that can only be justified if you value sovereignity over prosperity. This was said by Farage and confirmed by Grayling on my doorstep.

    Rather than naming an expert why don't you name one other person in the world who believes that we will be better off ten years after Brexit.

    He could easily have said the economists were in collusion with the govt/treasury over their predictions. It's plainly obvious that all the political resources were directed to the remain camp e.g. Govt departments, the £9m leaflet, etc. 'Had enough of experts' was a measured way of saying the above.

    We will be better off in 10 years time than today. We will have saved at least £64bn in net EU contributions for starters. All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already. It would take a very large shift for the direction of travel of these companies to be worse off in 10 years time. We could ask any of them...

    Think of it as UK PLC and that being better off rather than individuals.

    Why do you think you know more than all the leading Brexiteers? Why do they think it will be worse for 20 years and you don't. What do you know that they don't?

    The only thing I'm certain of, is that I know no-one knows. I could make a prediction for 20 years time and it would be as valid as a prediction from you or one from Mark Carney. The reason I can be confident about this statement is that it would actually be a guess by all three of us and not a prediction.

    The fact you keep quoting 5, 10 or 20 year predictions demonstrates how little you actually know and are aware of.

    So why do Farage, Grayling and co all think things will be worse for 20 years and you don't? What do you see happening different to them.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Lookyhere wrote:
    One thing that has occurred and was predicted is the drop in EU nurses registering to work in NHS, this shortage of EU worker is also happening in the food industry.
    Its made worse by a few other factors unique to Nursing but these dont effect the food sector.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

    But this is what the people voted for. Fortunately those who voted Remain are most likely to be able to afford private health care.

    Personally I would hammer catering (non-essential and low paid) and agriculture (small % of economy and low paid). By hammer I mean aim for zero.

    People seem very keen on reducing the big number but less keen on specifics.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Lookyhere wrote:
    One thing that has occurred and was predicted is the drop in EU nurses registering to work in NHS, this shortage of EU worker is also happening in the food industry.
    Its made worse by a few other factors unique to Nursing but these dont effect the food sector.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

    This story again. It first came out in January and again as recently as April.

    It's almost like someone is using the media to push their anti-democratic agenda :roll:
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    One thing that has occurred and was predicted is the drop in EU nurses registering to work in NHS, this shortage of EU worker is also happening in the food industry.
    Its made worse by a few other factors unique to Nursing but these dont effect the food sector.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

    This story again. It first came out in January and again as recently as April.

    It's almost like someone is using the media to push their anti-democratic agenda :roll:

    I think that anything that shows Brexit in a less than positive light you d be against reporting on, only seem only to want the news that supports your agenda.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:

    There must be a part of you that respects him as a politician.

    For Brexit they had Boris to whip up the crowds whilst he was in the background dealing with the economics - that is a pretty sh1t hand that he played brilliantly.

    What contribution did he make aside from saying that we'd had enough of hearing from "experts".

    if you look back he was front and centre defending the ludicrous notion that all would be fine. His "experts" comment was a particularly low moment that if the opposition were any good should have ended his career

    I think defending a ludicrous notion conveys whatever the opposite of intellectual ballast is...

    The experts comment was from the point of view of someone who has just read Black Swan...exactly what someone who was reading Black Swan would say. But it was phrased incredibly poorly.

    Economic experts make predictions, it's not an exact science.

    And almost a year after the vote, the experts have been proved to be wrong and not just a little bit, but by a huge margin. Which is exactly the point he was making.

    It really wasn't. Brexit is an act of self harm that can only be justified if you value sovereignity over prosperity. This was said by Farage and confirmed by Grayling on my doorstep.

    Rather than naming an expert why don't you name one other person in the world who believes that we will be better off ten years after Brexit.

    He could easily have said the economists were in collusion with the govt/treasury over their predictions. It's plainly obvious that all the political resources were directed to the remain camp e.g. Govt departments, the £9m leaflet, etc. 'Had enough of experts' was a measured way of saying the above.

    We will be better off in 10 years time than today. We will have saved at least £64bn in net EU contributions for starters. All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already. It would take a very large shift for the direction of travel of these companies to be worse off in 10 years time. We could ask any of them...

    Think of it as UK PLC and that being better off rather than individuals.

    Why do you think you know more than all the leading Brexiteers? Why do they think it will be worse for 20 years and you don't. What do you know that they don't?

    The only thing I'm certain of, is that I know no-one knows. I could make a prediction for 20 years time and it would be as valid as a prediction from you or one from Mark Carney. The reason I can be confident about this statement is that it would actually be a guess by all three of us and not a prediction.

    The fact you keep quoting 5, 10 or 20 year predictions demonstrates how little you actually know and are aware of.

    So why do Farage, Grayling and co all think things will be worse for 20 years and you don't? What do you see happening different to them.

    No one knows!

    What I do know is we have the opportunity to save 18 years worth of £250m weekly contributions. These contributions were only ever going to increase due to the UK's prosperity relative to that of the EU.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Lookyhere wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    One thing that has occurred and was predicted is the drop in EU nurses registering to work in NHS, this shortage of EU worker is also happening in the food industry.
    Its made worse by a few other factors unique to Nursing but these dont effect the food sector.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

    This story again. It first came out in January and again as recently as April.

    It's almost like someone is using the media to push their anti-democratic agenda :roll:

    I think that anything that shows Brexit in a less than positive light you d be against reporting on, only seem only to want the news that supports your agenda.

    It is less than 3 months since they last run the same story.

    As there is an agenda behind running it rather than just reporting news, I'm sure it will be out again before the end of the year :roll:
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,461
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    But, the DUP, they're mad Ted.

    They really are.

    Read somewhere they have put their marches through hostile territory fairly high on their Tory wish list.

    It may be on the wish list of sections of their supporters, but you'll find that for all the 'social conservatism' the DUP will be much more pragmatic.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... id-trimble
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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    No one knows!

    What I do know is we have the opportunity to save 18 years worth of £250m weekly contributions. These contributions were only ever going to increase due to the UK's prosperity relative to that of the EU.

    OK seeing as no one knows my prediction is that we suffer some odd unpredictable event leading to the following chain... the UK economy collapses, the NHS collapses we lose all external investment and suffer from brain drain as as EU graduates go back home and UK grads go abroad to Canada Australia and elsewhere . Had we been members of the EU we would have become net recipients but without our EU membership we are left to eventually go cap in hand the IMF.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate? They aren't really better off are they?

    You better pop down to the London Stock Exchange and enlighten them with this revelation as their cumulative knowledge seems to be inferior to yours.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate?

    Yes

    So they have more pounds because pounds are worth less than they used to be worth. That's not being hugely better off.

    (And the FTSE100 is not any measure of the UK economy.)
  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40245805

    A (knowledgeable) man who agrees with me that our democracy isn't really working for us.
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  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate? They aren't really better off are they?

    You better pop down to the London Stock Exchange and enlighten them with this revelation as their cumulative knowledge seems to be inferior to yours.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate?

    Yes

    So they have more pounds because pounds are worth less than they used to be worth. That's not being hugely better off.

    (And the FTSE100 is not any measure of the UK economy.)

    Has mambo changed his posting name?
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Meanwhile, I didn't think it would take long for Brendan O'Neill to skewer the ridiculous hysteria over the DUP (clue: they're not actually very much like the Taliban)
    Worth pointing out that before you read it that O'Neill would vehemently disagree with the DUP on most of their policies.
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    meanredspider wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40245805

    A (knowledgeable) man who agrees with me that our democracy isn't really working for us.

    Surely though, the reason we are where we are is because arrogant politicians have made appalling decisions, based on self and party interest and a million miles from the National Interest.

    He doesnt suggest any remedies.

    I think we have got what we deserve, we have voted for lower taxes over increased investment in education and other public services and we ve now a relatively thick population.
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    bompington wrote:
    Meanwhile, I didn't think it would take long for Brendan O'Neill to skewer the ridiculous hysteria over the DUP (clue: they're not actually very much like the Taliban)
    Worth pointing out that before you read it that O'Neill would vehemently disagree with the DUP on most of their policies.

    he lost all credibility when he compared Corbyn sharing a platform with Hamas as the same as going into Government (what else is it?) with a group that is endorsed by loyalist terror groups.
    We should also ask why the english tax payer has to send large amounts of extra money to NI in order to keep a PM in power?

    though i agree that banging on about DUP policies ( they are after all voted in on these) is unnecessary, the point is that the GFA should be paramount and if there is a risk to this agreement by coalition, then it shouldnt happen.

    aside why does the media refer to the IRA or Hamas as Terrorists but red hand commando etc as a paramilitary group?
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    mamba80 wrote:
    he lost all credibility when he compared Corbyn sharing a platform with Hamas as the same as going into Government (what else is it?) with a group that is endorsed by loyalist terror groups.
    Oh FFS, can we just stop the use of "lost all credibility" to mean "said something I disagree with"?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,829
    bompington wrote:
    Meanwhile, I didn't think it would take long for Brendan O'Neill to skewer the ridiculous hysteria over the DUP (clue: they're not actually very much like the Taliban)
    Worth pointing out that before you read it that O'Neill would vehemently disagree with the DUP on most of their policies.
    I'd agree that the response has been a bit hysterical, but the basic point of the threat to the GFA stands. Dashing off a few hundred words of "people disagree with you: suck it up, snowflake!" doesn't really add anything to that.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Made me chuckle:

    https://twitter.com/felixsalmon/status/ ... 4662674432
    The Tory party “only we can fix the mess we just made” message is taken straight from the 2009 AIG bonuses playbook. And about as popular.
    _
  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    Interesting view this morning that the move might kick-start the power sharing assembly discussions with SF - as the republicans won't like the idea of rule from Westminster with the DUP holding sway.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Jez mon wrote:
    Surrey Commuter wrote:


    No one knows!
    effectively you are denying the existence of economics


    What I do know is we have the opportunity to save 18 years worth of £250m weekly contributions. These contributions were only ever going to increase due to the UK's prosperity relative to that of the EU.
    so the problem is that our payments are 0.5% of our GDP and as we are growing faster than the EU average our total payments are increasing. Your solution is to leave the world's largest trading block. To help with the maths we would have kept 99.5% of the growth
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    rjsterry wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Meanwhile, I didn't think it would take long for Brendan O'Neill to skewer the ridiculous hysteria over the DUP (clue: they're not actually very much like the Taliban)
    Worth pointing out that before you read it that O'Neill would vehemently disagree with the DUP on most of their policies.
    I'd agree that the response has been a bit hysterical, but the basic point of the threat to the GFA stands. Dashing off a few hundred words of "people disagree with you: suck it up, snowflake!" doesn't really add anything to that.
    I would agree that there is an issue there. But, as referenced by MRS, both SF and the DUP are far more used to the power-sharing and horse-trading game than Westminster pols, and far better than they like to show publicly at keeping it real.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Lookyhere wrote:
    One thing that has occurred and was predicted is the drop in EU nurses registering to work in NHS, this shortage of EU worker is also happening in the food industry.
    Its made worse by a few other factors unique to Nursing but these dont effect the food sector.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

    This story again. It first came out in January and again as recently as April.

    It's almost like someone is using the media to push their anti-democratic agenda :roll:

    Does it not worry you? That we're now struggling to attract these talented and fantastically hard-working nurses from Europe? That combined with that, there's also a freeze on helping UK nationals train as nurses? That there'll be a skills shortage in a key resource that much of our population absolutely depends on?

    It worries me.
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Here's a hypothetical suggestion: what would happen if the roles were reversed and Corbyn managed to persuade his Shinner pals to take their seats and prop up a minority Labour government?

    For the most part, I'd guess, we'd just see mirror image reactions. But I'm sure there would be subtle differences: for example I bet we'd be hearing no end of how bold and refreshing it was for him to be reaching out like this - how many people are saying the same about May and the DUP?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    All companies with large profits made abroad are hugely better off already.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate? They aren't really better off are they?

    You better pop down to the London Stock Exchange and enlighten them with this revelation as their cumulative knowledge seems to be inferior to yours.

    Are you saying this because of the exchange rate?

    Yes

    So they have more pounds because pounds are worth less than they used to be worth. That's not being hugely better off.

    (And the FTSE100 is not any measure of the UK economy.)

    Has mambo changed his posting name?

    OK. It will have been good for GSK, who manufacture in the UK and sell overseas. It will have been good for Harvey Nicholls, who have customers from overseas but costs in the UK.

    For companies that have their operations outside the UK but are listed in the UK, like BHP Billiton, the 20% increase in share price in GBP because of the currency movement doesn't have anything to say about the UK economy. To be fair, the other 30% increase in their share price doesn't have anything to say about the UK economy either.

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