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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,663
    Yeah, she's been disappointing. I thought she was going to be a decent 'firm but fair' leader and would be quite considered in her decisions.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,274
    Pross wrote:
    Yeah, she's been disappointing. I thought she was going to be a decent 'firm but fair' leader and would be quite considered in her decisions.

    She keeps considering them after they're announced. And then says that nothing's changed, and nasty Mr Corbyn is scaring people.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,274
    She has an objection to "playing politics". What profession does she think she's in?
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Fine logic there type.
    _
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    For those who thought May would be a steady hand on the ship - what gave you that impression?

    Honest question - not rhetorical.
    _
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Fine logic there type.

    I'm assuming sarcasm ...
    Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    Dont know how you can support this shower...

    https://www.rt.com/uk/389177-met-police-terrorism-cuts/

    Hopefully Labour will raise some serious questions over their handing of the Police and national security.
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    I'm not sure you actually understood my post ...
    Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    type:epyt wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    I'm not sure you actually understood my post ...
    Explain your post then.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    mamba80 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    Dont know how you can support this shower...

    https://www.rt.com/uk/389177-met-police-terrorism-cuts/

    Hopefully Labour will raise some serious questions over their handing of the Police and national security.
    Maybe there is a conflict of interest in parts of Labour on the issues of security and policing?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/21/growing-row-jeremy-corbyns-links-ira-refuses-five-times-condemn/
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,575
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    I'm not sure you actually understood my post ...
    Explain your post then.
    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    i think.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    Dont know how you can support this shower...

    https://www.rt.com/uk/389177-met-police-terrorism-cuts/

    Hopefully Labour will raise some serious questions over their handing of the Police and national security.
    Maybe there is a conflict of interest in parts of Labour on the issues of security and policing?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/21/growing-row-jeremy-corbyns-links-ira-refuses-five-times-condemn/
    And this
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-foreign-policy-antisemitism
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    I'm not sure you actually understood my post ...
    Explain your post then.
    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    i think.
    My original reply still stands.

    Bit lazy to say someone doesn't understand their post and then not bother to explain what they meant. If he had made his point clearly I would have understood easily.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,877
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.
    Which is probably what Tory voters thought in 1987. It'll swing back the other way in another term or two and then swing back again and so on. I have to say that May is very fortunate that her opposition is so weak. Against another Blair I think she'd be struggling.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,575
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.
    Which is probably what Tory voters thought in 1987. It'll swing back the other way in another term or two and then swing back again and so on. I have to say that May is very fortunate that her opposition is so weak. Against another Blair I think she'd be struggling.
    I doubt she would have called it in that scenario.
    Capitalising on poor opposition.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    mamba80 wrote:
    https://www.rt.com/uk/389177-met-police-terrorism-cuts/
    You are aware that RT is basically a Putin-controlled propaganda front?
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    edited May 2017
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    Dont know how you can support this shower...

    https://www.rt.com/uk/389177-met-police-terrorism-cuts/

    Hopefully Labour will raise some serious questions over their handing of the Police and national security.
    Maybe there is a conflict of interest in parts of Labour on the issues of security and policing?

    he condemned ALL killings, whats wrong with that? i listened to that interview, he could have been more clear.
    John Major used JC contacts to start talks (under the tory Gov) with the IRA.
    i sometimes think that some people would rather we still had bombings in Ulster and the mainland, than talk to terrorists.

    but the point here is that its the Tories who are in power and have cut Military and Police numbers, inc AR units - they are in charge of a security service that do not (appear) to have the necessary resources or expertise to deal with the threats we currently face, someone already said how the heck does someone travel to libya and back with out rising suspicion?
    the tories were quick enough to bask in the glory of the UK having had no significant attacks for many years and many on here have also been quick to criticise the european authorities

    May was Home sec for what, 6 years ? and should answer for the cuts in the Police and other cuts in security under the gov she served in and now runs.

    As for Corbyn and foreign policy, had we followed his ideas, we d never had gone into Iraq let alone Libya and 100's of 1000's of lives would nt have been wasted inc the huge numbers of uk servemen and women killed and maimed, the hornets nest of IS would nt have the support its got now either, so a huge success for Labour and tory foreign policy eh????
    https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/24/a-2 ... ing-video/
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    I'm not sure you actually understood my post ...
    Explain your post then.
    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    i think.
    My original reply still stands.

    Bit lazy to say someone doesn't understand their post and then not bother to explain what they meant. If he had made his point clearly I would have understood easily.

    PBlakeney seemed to understand it just fine ...

    Your response, however, was confusing at best ... It hints at sarcasm but the lampooning of Labour becomes embittered which is odd given your Join the Labour Party thread ...
    Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    I'm not sure you actually understood my post ...
    Explain your post then.

    I would interpret it that the intelligent voter knows that, even if they are the firm supporter of a single party and can vote no other way, it is essential that no one party remains in power indefinitely. You may still vote for the party you support but accept that it would be better for your party to lose at least some of the time.

    A Conservative gleefully hoping for a permanent collapse of a viable opposition is an idiot (and vice versa of course).
    Faster than a tent.......
  • type:epyt
    type:epyt Posts: 766
    Rolf F wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    I'm not sure you actually understood my post ...
    Explain your post then.

    I would interpret it that the intelligent voter knows that, even if they are the firm supporter of a single party and can vote no other way, it is essential that no one party remains in power indefinitely. You may still vote for the party you support but accept that it would be better for your party to lose at least some of the time.

    A Conservative gleefully hoping for a permanent collapse of a viable opposition is an idiot (and vice versa of course).

    Exactly ,,, you explained that better than I would have bothered to, so thank you ...
    Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,877
    A cynic might suggest that part of the reason for calling the election was to keep the party focused and avoid the infighting of Major's government or the complacency of the later Blair/Brown government.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    rjsterry wrote:
    A cynic might suggest that part of the reason for calling the election was to keep the party focused and avoid the infighting of Major's government or the complacency of the later Blair/Brown government.

    What's to stop that post election?
    _
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    A cynic might suggest that part of the reason for calling the election was to keep the party focused and avoid the infighting of Major's government or the complacency of the later Blair/Brown government.

    What's to stop that post election?

    If there is a load of infighting post election, she could always call another election to ensure strength and stability. If you called one completely unnecessary and wasteful election for purely party political reasons why not call more? Keep em coming......

    type:epyt wrote:

    Exactly ,,, you explained that better than I would have bothered to, so thank you ...

    Any time!
    Faster than a tent.......
  • BelgianBeerGeek
    BelgianBeerGeek Posts: 5,226
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    A cynic might suggest that part of the reason for calling the election was to keep the party focused and avoid the infighting of Major's government or the complacency of the later Blair/Brown government.

    What's to stop that post election?
    Doesn't that depend on TM's majority? If it is big, she can tell her detractors to shut up and get back in their box. If the majority is quite small, she may have problems with the back benches. Especially if she tries to aim for a soft Brexit, which will not be good for the swivel-eyed nutters on the further right.
    Ecrasez l’infame
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    A cynic might suggest that part of the reason for calling the election was to keep the party focused and avoid the infighting of Major's government or the complacency of the later Blair/Brown government.

    What's to stop that post election?
    Doesn't that depend on TM's majority? If it is big, she can tell her detractors to shut up and get back in their box. If the majority is quite small, she may have problems with the back benches. Especially if she tries to aim for a soft Brexit, which will not be good for the swivel-eyed nutters on the further right.

    A big majority has never stopped the Tory party getting exercised over Europe.

    They may be much better at the practicalities of elections - but they do lose their rationality when it comes to the UK's position in the geopolitical scene.
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  • BelgianBeerGeek
    BelgianBeerGeek Posts: 5,226
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    A cynic might suggest that part of the reason for calling the election was to keep the party focused and avoid the infighting of Major's government or the complacency of the later Blair/Brown government.

    What's to stop that post election?
    Doesn't that depend on TM's majority? If it is big, she can tell her detractors to shut up and get back in their box. If the majority is quite small, she may have problems with the back benches. Especially if she tries to aim for a soft Brexit, which will not be good for the swivel-eyed nutters on the further right.

    A big majority has never stopped the Tory party getting exercised over Europe.

    They may be much better at the practicalities of elections - but they do lose their rationality when it comes to the UK's position in the geopolitical scene.
    I agree. TMs game is to increase her majority and power base whilst pushing Labour further out. Regardless, I think the Tories will have all kinds of internal strife over Brexit.
    Ecrasez l’infame
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,274
    How can they argue about something that isn't being announced? The victory will be a mandate for whatever gets done. Strong and stable.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,923
    type:epyt wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    type:epyt wrote:
    I vote Conservative but even I think a change would combat the arrogance that has become exaggerated by Labour's downfall ...
    Enjoy the majority when it comes. Unfortunately it won't stop the whingers but it will be very satisfying to kick Labour's ar$e hard and officially demote them to loony left fringe protest party.

    I'm not sure you actually understood my post ...
    Explain your post then.
    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    i think.
    My original reply still stands.

    Bit lazy to say someone doesn't understand their post and then not bother to explain what they meant. If he had made his point clearly I would have understood easily.

    PBlakeney seemed to understand it just fine ...

    Your response, however, was confusing at best ... It hints at sarcasm but the lampooning of Labour becomes embittered which is odd given your Join the Labour Party thread ...
    Just make your points a bit clearer and we can avoid this in future. Easy.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

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