Wahoo elemnt or elemnt bolt?

jpower

Crossed wrote:

Does the Wahoo fit on Garmin mounts?

I'm tempted to get one to replace my Edge 820 but don't like the idea of having to spend an extra £40 or £50 on mounts for the other bikes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pP-Mdkiri0

Note I never had to cut anything on my k-edge out front, however the shape of the k-edge did not allow it to twist into place and even if it did, it would have sat sideways.

crossed

Just had a quick look on the Wahoo website and it appears that the bundle cones with three different mounts. As a result, I've just ordered one!

StillGoing

Crossed wrote:

Just had a quick look on the Wahoo website and it appears that the bundle cones with three different mounts. As a result, I've just ordered one!

The Element and the Element Bolt do come with 3 mounts, but they aren't all the same and only 2 will fit a road bike. That's the out front mount and the basic mount that you have to zip tie on. The other mount is for Tri-bars. As explained above, the devices can be adapted to fit Garmin type mounts, but they will be orientated the wrong way.

jpower

philthy3 wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Just had a quick look on the Wahoo website and it appears that the bundle cones with three different mounts. As a result, I've just ordered one!

The Element and the Element Bolt do come with 3 mounts, but they aren't all the same and only 2 will fit a road bike. That's the out front mount and the basic mount that you have to zip tie on. The other mount is for Tri-bars. As explained above, the devices can be adapted to fit Garmin type mounts, but they will be orientated the wrong way.

Note the elemnt comes with 3 mounts but the bolt only 2 (no tri mount). At least that's how my bolt came this week

crossed

jpower wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Just had a quick look on the Wahoo website and it appears that the bundle cones with three different mounts. As a result, I've just ordered one!

The Element and the Element Bolt do come with 3 mounts, but they aren't all the same and only 2 will fit a road bike. That's the out front mount and the basic mount that you have to zip tie on. The other mount is for Tri-bars. As explained above, the devices can be adapted to fit Garmin type mounts, but they will be orientated the wrong way.

Note the elemnt comes with 3 mounts but the bolt only 2 (no tri mount). At least that's how my bolt came this week

I must've been looking at the wrong page there.
Either way it shouldn't be a problem, from watching the video linked above I'll try to modify one of my Garmin mounts to take the Wahoo for the time being.

meanredspider

Some Garmin mounts have the ability to be reoriented by 90deg - partly because the Edge 1000 can operate in landscape as well as portrait format. Obviously the cheap original "rubber band" mounts can go either way (I know because I've fitted them the wrong way most times - practice makes perfect mistakes)

jpower

I think Wahoo need to hire me. First true outing:-

Group ride, night before opened the ridewithgps route, saved to my routes, hit sync on my bolt, map is ready, nice.

Aero they lied its way more then 12 seconds. First starting and GPS pickup, I saved at least 4-5 minutes not having to wait for GPS, meet my group about to leave, at which point previously I would have panicked as I have not loaded my route and that usually takes 10 mins, wahoo to route page, selected route and it was up in a few seconds, WOW, thats like 15mins of savings.

On the ride, very simple to use, no issues wth the smaller screen, not to keen on the up and down buttons whilst riding.

Got home took the bike in, next thing I know my phone telling me my strava ride is ready, and I have not done a thing.

If it continues to work this well, I am one happy chappy, welcome to the new age.

twist83

Very impressed with mine. So much so my other half and a mate have consequently bought one after a demo and ditched there Garmins.

GPS pickup, sensor detection and boot up very quick. Battery life is great.

The setup from the phone is a breath of fresh air. I used the Nav last week in Mallorca. Worked perfectly fine. Really liking the screen clarity and layouts. The Wahoo app is fantastic as well. Makes Garmin connect look like something from 90's.

Using the LEDs for power. Great reference. Especially helpful last week in Mallorca when trying to not go into the red too much.

This is the bolt. Recommend it to anyone.

jpower

Update: Works with wattbike, even though its not on the official compatible list

GavH

Ordered a Bolt from Wiggle last night. They have code which gievs just over £8 off (10NEW). Should take delivery tomorrow and hopefully have no more ANT+ Power Meter dropouts from my ageing Garmin 500.

jpower

FYI - it's changed my biking life, love it.

twist83

jpower wrote:

FYI - it's changed my biking life, love it.

Me too!! Mega impressed still. We should be Ambassadors for the brand. Spreading the joy of Wahoo

jpower

twist83 wrote:

jpower wrote:

FYI - it's changed my biking life, love it.

Me too!! Mega impressed still. We should be Ambassadors for the brand. Spreading the joy of Wahoo

Seriously I'm there, we should setup a Wahoofest, maybe they will give us a kick as payment wish I had got one of these earlier, keep telling garmin folks at my club to change, while they sit there trying to setup for a ride

denkfaul

I've just got one, very impressed so far. When I turn it on, how can I see whether it's got GPS lock or not? I can't see any indicator or status page which shows signal strength.

Myhooose

denkfaul wrote:

I've just got one, very impressed so far. When I turn it on, how can I see whether it's got GPS lock or not? I can't see any indicator or status page which shows signal strength.

It will tell you if it has a poor signal.

jpower

Just to keep wahoo'ing, I got a notification on my phone telling me I should charge my elemnt, how cool.

StillGoing

Wahoo is seriously the way to go. Garmin have so had it.

crossed

Out of interest, how are people finding Ridewithgps compared to Strava for use with the Wahoo?

It seems like RWGPS has some useful features to combine with the Wahoo but I don't want to pay for the upgraded version only to find that it's a bit crap and I should've went with Strava Premium instead.

noodleman

I find RWGPS much better for planning routes and also for the fact it gives you tbt directions, which Strava doesn't. Not sure about any other features as I don't have a paid RWGPS subscription.
I do have a premium Strava account but if they continue trying to turn it into fb I'll be cancelling it.

StillGoing

Crossed wrote:

Out of interest, how are people finding Ridewithgps compared to Strava for use with the Wahoo?

It seems like RWGPS has some useful features to combine with the Wahoo but I don't want to pay for the upgraded version only to find that it's a bit crap and I should've went with Strava Premium instead.

Ride with gps or Komoot will give turn by turn directions on either of the Wahoo Element devices. Both work with the free membership option although you have to buy additional counties or a bundle with Komoot if you're intending straying across borders. Ride with gps seems more accurate with elevation gains and Strava seems widely optimistic by increasing gradient percentages way above what they actually are.

cgfw201

philthy3 wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Out of interest, how are people finding Ridewithgps compared to Strava for use with the Wahoo?

It seems like RWGPS has some useful features to combine with the Wahoo but I don't want to pay for the upgraded version only to find that it's a bit crap and I should've went with Strava Premium instead.

Ride with gps or Komoot will give turn by turn directions on either of the Wahoo Element devices. Both work with the free membership option although you have to buy additional counties or a bundle with Komoot if you're intending straying across borders. Ride with gps seems more accurate with elevation gains and Strava seems widely optimistic by increasing gradient percentages way above what they actually are.

I've used RWGPS and Strava routes on the Bolt. No real difference for me. You get 'turn by turn' guidance with RWGPS, but for me following the chevrons is just following the chevrons. Prefer Strava for route planning due to heatmaps and other features, so just stick with that on the whole.

Both work great, and much easier to follow than a route on a Garmin 520.

jpower

Ditto here, use RWG for mapping, find most club rides and events seem to have a route ready in RWG, then use starve for logging the rides, both on free versions and seem to do the job fine for me.

Forgot if I mentioned how much I love my bolt.

StillGoing

cgfw201 wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Out of interest, how are people finding Ridewithgps compared to Strava for use with the Wahoo?

It seems like RWGPS has some useful features to combine with the Wahoo but I don't want to pay for the upgraded version only to find that it's a bit crap and I should've went with Strava Premium instead.

Ride with gps or Komoot will give turn by turn directions on either of the Wahoo Element devices. Both work with the free membership option although you have to buy additional counties or a bundle with Komoot if you're intending straying across borders. Ride with gps seems more accurate with elevation gains and Strava seems widely optimistic by increasing gradient percentages way above what they actually are.

I've used RWGPS and Strava routes on the Bolt. No real difference for me. You get 'turn by turn' guidance with RWGPS, but for me following the chevrons is just following the chevrons. Prefer Strava for route planning due to heatmaps and other features, so just stick with that on the whole.

Both work great, and much easier to follow than a route on a Garmin 520.

If your ride is auto uploaded to Strava, all those features will still show up?

horizon

denkfaul wrote:

I've just got one, very impressed so far. When I turn it on, how can I see whether it's got GPS lock or not? I can't see any indicator or status page which shows signal strength.

On my Bolt map page, it will say 'Acquiring GPS..' and then something like 'Poor GPS' and then nothing, which means it has a lock. For peace of mind, add a GPS Accuracy field on a page - this will show n/a if no lock, otherwise a figure giving accuracy in distance will show. For instance, 2 means that the data is accurate to a 2 metre radius.
Plenty of info here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum ... emnt-users

cgfw201

philthy3 wrote:

cgfw201 wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

Crossed wrote:

Out of interest, how are people finding Ridewithgps compared to Strava for use with the Wahoo?

It seems like RWGPS has some useful features to combine with the Wahoo but I don't want to pay for the upgraded version only to find that it's a bit crap and I should've went with Strava Premium instead.

Ride with gps or Komoot will give turn by turn directions on either of the Wahoo Element devices. Both work with the free membership option although you have to buy additional counties or a bundle with Komoot if you're intending straying across borders. Ride with gps seems more accurate with elevation gains and Strava seems widely optimistic by increasing gradient percentages way above what they actually are.

I've used RWGPS and Strava routes on the Bolt. No real difference for me. You get 'turn by turn' guidance with RWGPS, but for me following the chevrons is just following the chevrons. Prefer Strava for route planning due to heatmaps and other features, so just stick with that on the whole.

Both work great, and much easier to follow than a route on a Garmin 520.

If your ride is auto uploaded to Strava, all those features will still show up?

Don't fully understand your question, but heatmaps are available for all in Strava Routes I believe.

denkfaul

Horizon wrote:

denkfaul wrote:

I've just got one, very impressed so far. When I turn it on, how can I see whether it's got GPS lock or not? I can't see any indicator or status page which shows signal strength.

On my Bolt map page, it will say 'Acquiring GPS..' and then something like 'Poor GPS' and then nothing, which means it has a lock. For peace of mind, add a GPS Accuracy field on a page - this will show n/a if no lock, otherwise a figure giving accuracy in distance will show. For instance, 2 means that the data is accurate to a 2 metre radius.
Plenty of info here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum ... emnt-users

Thanks a lot, that's good to know.

earth

I have an element bolt.

I'm not going to talk about the good things because they are not a cause for concern. Instead I will tell you the three[four] issues I have with it.

1. The cadence sensor is all over the show. In a minute of riding over a flat course at a perceived constant cadence, the reading displays, 81, 57, 75, 62, 41, 85, 67, 49.... I still have a Garmin cadence sensor. I am going to fit that and see what the difference is.

2. It has no auto start feature. My guess is that they left this out because it automatically uploads your ride. If it had an auto start feature then it would effectively be a tracking device. No auto start is very annoying. Add an auto start setting and an setting to prompt for upload.

3. When it pauses a banner fills most of the screen so you can't see readings that you might have set like time of day. I don't need to know that it is paused. If you must tell me then make it a discrete icon.

4. Not being able to scroll around the map means a smart phone is essential for navigating if you go 'off-piste'



DCRainmaker, if you are reading - you are a jumped up cuck.

StillGoing

earth wrote:

I have an element bolt.

I'm not going to talk about the good things because they are not a cause for concern. Instead I will tell you the three[four] issues I have with it.

1. The cadence sensor is all over the show. In a minute of riding over a flat course at a perceived constant cadence, the reading displays, 81, 57, 75, 62, 41, 85, 67, 49.... I still have a Garmin cadence sensor. I am going to fit that and see what the difference is.

2. It has no auto start feature. My guess is that they left this out because it automatically uploads your ride. If it had an auto start feature then it would effectively be a tracking device. No auto start is very annoying. Add an auto start setting and an setting to prompt for upload.

3. When it pauses a banner fills most of the screen so you can't see readings that you might have set like time of day. I don't need to know that it is paused. If you must tell me then make it a discrete icon.

4. Not being able to scroll around the map means a smart phone is essential for navigating if you go 'off-piste'



DCRainmaker, if you are reading - you are a jumped up cuck.

Must just be a duff cadence sensor or device. My Element works fine with my Garmin speed and cadence sensors though and with the cadence sensor on my P2M.

I don't see how auto start is such a big issue. You're riding, press start. I never used it on the Garmin I had either.

Pausing during a ride; what's that?

When you bought it, you surely knew it was a breadcrumb trail and not full mapping? You can zoom in and out of the map page enough to locate yourself unless you've drifted off several counties away though?

stevie63

On the issue of the pause message, if you press the right hand page button it goes away( I think it also goes away if you press the zoom buttons on the side)

markyone

The cadence sensor is all over the show. In a minute of riding over a flat course at a perceived constant cadence, the reading displays, 81, 57, 75, 62, 41, 85, 67, 49.... I still have a Garmin cadence sensor. I am going to fit that and see what the difference is

I have the same issues with cadence and i have 2 one fitted to each bike and its the same.
Did you fit the garmin?