Strava - narcissistic?
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fat daddy wrote:ben@31 wrote:My OCD also makes me want to round up distances too. This can snowball when I round up the distance in metric, then think to myself "just another lap around town and I'll round up in imperial"
ah man ... I really suffer with this .... sometimes it kicks in so badly I have to get the clock AND the distance to line up ... and at the finish point
so I end up doing loops of the roads around my house trying to get the milage to fall on or just above a whole integer, the clock to line up with a 5 minute marker and be finished at the house.
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True, I find it a shame to be out all day on a long route just for the distance to be slightly under. When I get home, if the odometer is on 99.9 km I have to cycle around the block again, with family watching me on the live feed, get to the house and then go right past."The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
Whats with the people who join 1000 different clubs and cycle only on zwift. :x0
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Hills are where it's at.
They're the only Strava segments I chase. The rest are all fluff, easily manipulated b*****ks.0 -
Any system that relies on Algorithms, is relatively easy to manipulate . This is why I can't take a lot of the 'hyper mileage for the year' challenges, terribly seriously, unless there is an analogue back up confirmation.0
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Moonbiker wrote:Whats with the people who join 1000 different clubs and cycle only on zwift. :x
Turbasturbators.0 -
thomasmorris wrote:fat daddy wrote:Or a garmin user ..... this is one of the many reasons I stopped using garmin, quite often it would merge rides together if I didn't reset it between rides .... so my commute to work became one massive ride
Er... that's not the garmin 'merging' the ride, it's you not splitting them by resetting the 'trip'. You can easily split the rides on strava.
The vast majority of 'false' segment times on strava are unintentional and usually one of the following:
1) Forgot to stop strava and got in the car. Most users will know how to crop the ride, but then a lot just use the app and never visit the site, so probably won't know there is an option to 'crop' the ride.
2) Uploaded a GPX of a route. I have a few KOMs on popular sportive routes. It seems like to log the ride people upload the GPX from cycling events UK. The ride always has a constant speed of 24-25 kmh which then takes the KOM on some of the slower segments. Again, it's not a case of people wanting to cheat, just wanting to log a ride they did.
3) GPS drift. This is just part and parcel of strava. It's getting less bad as strava improves it's workings and phone GPS improves, but when strava started, some of the times, especially on off road segments with tree cover were comical.
If you can see something wrong with a ride, just flag it. Its most likely the person won't have realised themselves.
Milemuncher1 seems to think there is some conspiracy of 'stravassholes' who are out to create him. But up thread he admits to creating 'fake' rides himself?
The rides aren't 'fake' per se. I have been known to dick about with Strava to wind up particular individuals, on occasion.0 -
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Is it possible for Strava to mistake a segment in reverse from the GPS data?
I've seen a few 35 mph KOM's in my city going up a 4% grade for people who if you check their feed average less than 150 watts on every ride of their lives. Entirely possible and entirely possible it is an innocent error for a novice to do.0 -
burnthesheep wrote:Is it possible for Strava to mistake a segment in reverse from the GPS data?
I've seen a few 35 mph KOM's in my city going up a 4% grade for people who if you check their feed average less than 150 watts on every ride of their lives. Entirely possible and entirely possible it is an innocent error for a novice to do.
Low powwwwwwwwwahhhhhhh, and high speed up a gradient = motorbike / car.0 -
I agree the power output is a clue - Of course the rider could be drafting etc. It's a shame Strava doesn't have an algorithm to distinguish between solo rides and group rides, as you can't rely on the person posting the ride.
I did a group ride last year and smashed a dozen or so PB's riding on the flats with the local club fast group. In the end I removed the ride, as it was virtually impossible to match let alone beat the times on my own.
It's harder to cheat going up a steep hill though.0 -
So, that girl I mentioned that was pacelining without taking turns and got called out in a post? Yeah, now it is apparent she rides paceline with male riders without taking turns. No wonder there are a ton of QOM's on her rides.
That's really bordering on being a bit much. Not only do the other lady riders on those routes have the disadvantage of a person pacelining their times.....they also have the disadvantage of the person doing so while being pulled by a group of men going 25 to 27 mph.
I'm sure you increase your skills riding in a line, but how much really if you never take a turn and don't have to work around that energy usage and recovery?0 -
burnthesheep wrote:So, that girl I mentioned that was pacelining without taking turns and got called out in a post? Yeah, now it is apparent she rides paceline with male riders without taking turns. No wonder there are a ton of QOM's on her rides.
That's really bordering on being a bit much. Not only do the other lady riders on those routes have the disadvantage of a person pacelining their times.....they also have the disadvantage of the person doing so while being pulled by a group of men going 25 to 27 mph.
I'm sure you increase your skills riding in a line, but how much really if you never take a turn and don't have to work around that energy usage and recovery?
I'm going to lose sleep over this0 -
I've stopped caring about flat or downhill segments of wide open road. I tend to now look at the uphill stuff that takes at least a few minutes to get up while going less than 15 to 18 mph. Or perhaps areas that you can't use wind or a group as an advantage.
Losing sleep? Certainly not. We have the Big Orange Cheetoh in Chief to thank for that over here.0 -
burnthesheep wrote:So, that girl I mentioned that was pacelining without taking turns and got called out in a post? Yeah, now it is apparent she rides paceline with male riders without taking turns. No wonder there are a ton of QOM's on her rides.
That's really bordering on being a bit much. Not only do the other lady riders on those routes have the disadvantage of a person pacelining their times.....they also have the disadvantage of the person doing so while being pulled by a group of men going 25 to 27 mph.
I'm sure you increase your skills riding in a line, but how much really if you never take a turn and don't have to work around that energy usage and recovery?
link to said ride?Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com0 -
burnthesheep wrote:So, that girl I mentioned that was pacelining without taking turns and got called out in a post? Yeah, now it is apparent she rides paceline with male riders without taking turns. No wonder there are a ton of QOM's on her rides.
That's really bordering on being a bit much. Not only do the other lady riders on those routes have the disadvantage of a person pacelining their times.....they also have the disadvantage of the person doing so while being pulled by a group of men going 25 to 27 mph.
I'm sure you increase your skills riding in a line, but how much really if you never take a turn and don't have to work around that energy usage and recovery?
Was good of you to follow them the whole way making sure she didn't take a turn. Flag it!0 -
burnthesheep wrote:So, that girl I mentioned that was pacelining without taking turns and got called out in a post? Yeah, now it is apparent she rides paceline with male riders without taking turns. No wonder there are a ton of QOM's on her rides.
That's really bordering on being a bit much. Not only do the other lady riders on those routes have the disadvantage of a person pacelining their times.....they also have the disadvantage of the person doing so while being pulled by a group of men going 25 to 27 mph.
I'm sure you increase your skills riding in a line, but how much really if you never take a turn and don't have to work around that energy usage and recovery?
One of my Mate's pretends he is a girl on Strava to get more 'cups'. He rides for Movistar (according to his jersey) so has a massive advantage."You really think you can burn off sugar with exercise?" downhill paul0 -
Dinyull wrote:burnthesheep wrote:got called out in a post?
Was good of you to follow them the whole way making sure she didn't take a turn. Flag it!
One of her followers asked if she took a turn, and she replied 'no'.
I've never flagged anything. I don't think I would unless it was a 50 mph person riding in a car or bus.
Just because a topic bores you doesn't mean you have to dissuade anyone else from talking about it. Then quit Strava and quit the topic and go talk about 10-pins or rowing or something.
You're like the guy in a car chat forum chiming in every five posts with "well we shouldn't talk about ricers or stancebros because if I don't like it I'll just ignore it".
It is possible to dislike something, discuss it, and also not obsess about it. How many times does the aero vs. weight weenie issue come up when it's about someone else spending their money?
The Brexit topic goes on for miles. Why should I care what your opinion is on it as an American? It's interesting. It's banter.0 -
The key thing is, if you want fair competition against complete strangers, then enter a fair competition.
There are so many variables in conditions and the ways in which people ride that comparing specific times on strava is futile. This isn't people 'cheating', it's just how things are.
If you have some riders you actually know or ride with, then you may perhaps compare against them, knowing the type of riding they do. But the only rides you can be sure of the context are your own; which is why after a while most people start to focus on PBs.
Most the 'cheating' that people point to in this thread is just accidental mistakes. If someone obviously uploads a ride done in a car, then just flag it; it was probably a mistake and they'll be happy to make private / crop. There's no need to get irate.
There's been a lot of claims made of people setting times in cars... but no links to actual activities. I half think that either the segments are woefully short and full of error, or the other posters assessment of what is possible on a bike, based on their own abilities is a little off.0 -
I've done fast group rides, sometimes into a headwind, never thought of it as cheating. Just me logging my training miles.
Id be interested to see the ladies ride as I imagine she probably trains seriously, probably races and hanging into a paceline is her racing training. Incoukd be wrong and she could have purposefully gone out to cheat.0 -
As soon as my BC RL responsibilities finish at the end of the year, I'm binning Strava, and Facefook, and any other shite like that which I need to have, because trying to fulfill all the functions I'm required to without them, would cause even more butt hurt. I managed perfectly well without them for 30 something years, I reckon I'll be okay in future. Or possibly the sky will fall in :shock:. I'll take my chances.0
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burnthesheep wrote:Dinyull wrote:burnthesheep wrote:got called out in a post?
Was good of you to follow them the whole way making sure she didn't take a turn. Flag it!
One of her followers asked if she took a turn, and she replied 'no'.
I've never flagged anything. I don't think I would unless it was a 50 mph person riding in a car or bus.
Just because a topic bores you doesn't mean you have to dissuade anyone else from talking about it. Then quit Strava and quit the topic and go talk about 10-pins or rowing or something.
You're like the guy in a car chat forum chiming in every five posts with "well we shouldn't talk about ricers or stancebros because if I don't like it I'll just ignore it".
It is possible to dislike something, discuss it, and also not obsess about it. How many times does the aero vs. weight weenie issue come up when it's about someone else spending their money?
The Brexit topic goes on for miles. Why should I care what your opinion is on it as an American? It's interesting. It's banter.
As okgo asked, link the ride and the comments please.0 -
Took 10 KOM's in a 15 minute bit of road the other day because there was a perfect tail wind and I decided to give that section some beans...anyone that denies it feels good to get a KOM is a liar...tail wind or not.0
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DavidJB wrote:Took 10 KOM's in a 15 minute bit of road the other day because there was a perfect tail wind and I decided to give that section some beans...anyone that denies it feels good to get a KOM is a liar...tail wind or not.
"The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
Best to try and beat yourself as at least then you know if it was a group ride, wind direction etc.
I have a couple of KOMS and a few seconds for mountain biking but do it to enjoy it and not to become stravaman having obsessive rage attacks. It is useful to see how and why people are faster than you and also to work out how to ride a segment faster but just enjoy it.0 -
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That stunts your growth you knowKajjal wrote:Best to try and beat yourself0 -
burnthesheep wrote:Is it possible for Strava to mistake a segment in reverse from the GPS data?
I've seen a few 35 mph KOM's in my city going up a 4% grade for people who if you check their feed average less than 150 watts on every ride of their lives. Entirely possible and entirely possible it is an innocent error for a novice to do.
if its a shorter ( sub 1 minute) segment, they can be flaky... also if your garmin or other device isn't set up to do per second recording...0 -
First Aspect wrote:
That stunts your growth you knowKajjal wrote:Best to try and beat yourself
:shock: that explains why I am only 6ft70
