Strava - narcissistic?
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KevinA wrote:Teebs_123 wrote:Charlie Potatoes wrote:Teebs_123 wrote:Is it?
I used to follow Strava Wankers when I was on Twitter, which showed Strava for all its bad points, but is it getting worse for Narcissism etc?
Our local club Strava group has been inundated with some of the local University riders and jesus, every ride is 10 photos with a minute by minute description of their ride. A guy local to me has 5,000 followers, does the same route every other day and gets 1000 x Kudos? - what's the point?
It's a great tool when used correctly, but it's almost becoming as bad as Facebook
Moan over
Totally agree. I have a love hate relationship with Strava. I like to click the kudos button though as it is a good way to 'stay in touch' with other riders that I don't see every week.
Don't get me wrong, someone does a good ride and they'll get Kudos, but receiving 500+ for a 5 miles ride is just chuffin odd.
Then again it all depends on the rider, if you are clinically obese or have just come back from a injury and 5 miles is a challenge you may deserve more kudos than the seasoned cyclist doing a 100 mile route.
I love strava, love planning routes and then doing them or getting lost and then reviewing on the map when I upload my ride.
I dont care about the numbers in a competitive way but it is good to see average power going up, or fastest 40k, fastest miles etc.
Basically this.
I use it for my own benefit. I like tracking my progress through the segments and the data it collects.
However, If it's been a long ride or I went somewhere nice/something happened I'll stick a photo up.
I quite like chasing KOMs, especially because all my colleagues that cycle use it, so it gives some "bragging rights" at work.
The route planner is probably one of the best I've used.0 -
Yes, Strava can instill narcissistic behaviours in people.
People I have known for over twenty years who ditched the scenic, but hilly, moorland rides they've always done in favour of riding flat A road routes. I can only imagine to post higher average speeds on Strava.
People who switch their Garmin off at the bottom of that last steep hill before home; average speed worries again; likewise people who start their Garmin's at the top of the first climb if their house is in a valley.
People who split rides up into three Garmin uploads: 'Warm up, 'My Willy is Big ride', 'Cool Down'. So as to not tarnish the speed of the MWiB ride.
People who are always 'Ill' or 'Tired' or 'Hungover' or 'on a recovery ride' to explain their lower than expected average speed that day.0 -
joe2008 wrote:Yes, Strava can instill narcissistic behaviours in people.
People I have known for over twenty years who ditched the scenic, but hilly, moorland rides they've always done in favour of riding flat A road routes. I can only imagine to post higher average speeds on Strava.
People who switch their Garmin off at the bottom of that last steep hill before home; average speed worries again; likewise people who start their Garmin's at the top of the first climb if their house is in a valley.
People who split rides up into three Garmin uploads: 'Warm up, 'My Willy is Big ride', 'Cool Down'. So as to not tarnish the speed of the MWiB ride.
People who are always 'Ill' or 'Tired' or 'Hungover' or 'on a recovery ride' to explain their lower than expected average speed that day.
Your mind reading skills are most impressive!FFS! Harden up and grow a pair0 -
Svetty wrote:joe2008 wrote:Yes, Strava can instill narcissistic behaviours in people.
People I have known for over twenty years who ditched the scenic, but hilly, moorland rides they've always done in favour of riding flat A road routes. I can only imagine to post higher average speeds on Strava.
People who switch their Garmin off at the bottom of that last steep hill before home; average speed worries again; likewise people who start their Garmin's at the top of the first climb if their house is in a valley.
People who split rides up into three Garmin uploads: 'Warm up, 'My Willy is Big ride', 'Cool Down'. So as to not tarnish the speed of the MWiB ride.
People who are always 'Ill' or 'Tired' or 'Hungover' or 'on a recovery ride' to explain their lower than expected average speed that day.
Your mind reading skills are most impressive!
Touched a nerve?0 -
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joe2008 wrote:Yes, Strava can instill narcissistic behaviours in people.
People I have known for over twenty years who ditched the scenic, but hilly, moorland rides they've always done in favour of riding flat A road routes. I can only imagine to post higher average speeds on Strava.
People who switch their Garmin off at the bottom of that last steep hill before home; average speed worries again; likewise people who start their Garmin's at the top of the first climb if their house is in a valley.
People who split rides up into three Garmin uploads: 'Warm up, 'My Willy is Big ride', 'Cool Down'. So as to not tarnish the speed of the MWiB ride.
People who are always 'Ill' or 'Tired' or 'Hungover' or 'on a recovery ride' to explain their lower than expected average speed that day.
Very true that. You did miss off my 'favourite' bit of Stravankerishness though. People who set their auto stop speed on a Garmin to 15mph or higher. Their average speeds would put a doped up Lance Armstrong to shame, but the routes are suspiciously short, and flat. I get paid to provide routes for British Cycling, to use on their 'Let's Ride' programme. Strava is a good way to get a quick TCX / GPX file format route, that I've also reccyd for purposes of the risk assessment. Strava is brilliant for that, I do have to somewhat bite my lip, when some cocksocket Stravanker, starts banging on about how "I could easily do that segment quicker, look, see, I used your route, I beat you I did, BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL, I AM A CYCLING GOD, I DO SPORTIVES AND EVERYTHING, I DO" and so on and so forth.0 -
I'm pretty sure Strava completely ignores the Garmin auto stop in favour of it's own average moving speed algorithm.0
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Milemuncher1 wrote:joe2008 wrote:Yes, Strava can instill narcissistic behaviours in people.
People I have known for over twenty years who ditched the scenic, but hilly, moorland rides they've always done in favour of riding flat A road routes. I can only imagine to post higher average speeds on Strava.
People who switch their Garmin off at the bottom of that last steep hill before home; average speed worries again; likewise people who start their Garmin's at the top of the first climb if their house is in a valley.
People who split rides up into three Garmin uploads: 'Warm up, 'My Willy is Big ride', 'Cool Down'. So as to not tarnish the speed of the MWiB ride.
People who are always 'Ill' or 'Tired' or 'Hungover' or 'on a recovery ride' to explain their lower than expected average speed that day.
Very true that. You did miss off my 'favourite' bit of Stravankerishness though. People who set their auto stop speed on a Garmin to 15mph or higher. Their average speeds would put a doped up Lance Armstrong to shame, but the routes are suspiciously short, and flat. I get paid to provide routes for British Cycling, to use on their 'Let's Ride' programme. Strava is a good way to get a quick TCX / GPX file format route, that I've also reccyd for purposes of the risk assessment. Strava is brilliant for that, I do have to somewhat bite my lip, when some cocksocket Stravanker, starts banging on about how "I could easily do that segment quicker, look, see, I used your route, I beat you I did, BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL, I AM A CYCLING GOD, I DO SPORTIVES AND EVERYTHING, I DO" and so on and so forth.
They probably are cocks in Audis as their main pastime...there will always be people who should not have been allowed to leave Play School.0 -
I wonder how much IS actually people trying to falsify average times or doing short routes or changing there routes from hilly to flat section all for the ego inflating cause of narcissism
or how much is actually the paranoia of Strava users that have some serious issues in what what other people are doin in there own spare time.
Really .... do you guys spend ages going through other peoples rides and surveying every hill and segment trying to work out if they have somehow broken a "rule" that you came up with ? ... and you think they have issues ?
I did 56mph on todays route ... I didn't really there must have been a GPS loss of signal, but no doubt there is some insecure person now filtering through my entire route claiming I am on a moped and cheating
likewise I missed out most of the climb on the way home the other day after I forgot to hit start on the gps and only remembered 5 miles in
I have auto stop set, not because I am trying to get my average speed up, but I commute through the city and I find it easier to track progress when the computer smoothes out the anywhere between 3-10 minutes of stationary time at lights.
sometimes I feel like crap in the morning and have a lie in .... which makes it impossible to get an hours ride in ....so I think I know Ill go out and put in less distance but with more sprints and yes I challenge myself by seeing if I can get beter times on the segments ...... its not cheating, its not going out with the sole purpose of getting KOMS (of which I have none) .. its just time condensed training ... hell its not even training, its exercise
yet all of the above has some poor sod in tear because I am cheating and a narcissist ....... dudes, really, I am just doing my own thing, its your paranoia that's reading sh1te into this0 -
Lots of people try and fiddle the system, its remarkably common. Just because you don't, it doesn't mean everyone else is doing likewise.
Hence the popularity of Digital EPO.Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com0 -
Everyone should ride with a power meter......
Seriously though, I do get suspicions of KOMs which have been set without a HRM, cadence sensor.
I've flagged a few KOMs which I've been close too after looking at their stats. I remember one showed the cyclist going from 0-60 and then 0-60kph again in about 5 seconds.0 -
JGSI wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:joe2008 wrote:Yes, Strava can instill narcissistic behaviours in people.
People I have known for over twenty years who ditched the scenic, but hilly, moorland rides they've always done in favour of riding flat A road routes. I can only imagine to post higher average speeds on Strava.
People who switch their Garmin off at the bottom of that last steep hill before home; average speed worries again; likewise people who start their Garmin's at the top of the first climb if their house is in a valley.
People who split rides up into three Garmin uploads: 'Warm up, 'My Willy is Big ride', 'Cool Down'. So as to not tarnish the speed of the MWiB ride.
People who are always 'Ill' or 'Tired' or 'Hungover' or 'on a recovery ride' to explain their lower than expected average speed that day.
Very true that. You did miss off my 'favourite' bit of Stravankerishness though. People who set their auto stop speed on a Garmin to 15mph or higher. Their average speeds would put a doped up Lance Armstrong to shame, but the routes are suspiciously short, and flat. I get paid to provide routes for British Cycling, to use on their 'Let's Ride' programme. Strava is a good way to get a quick TCX / GPX file format route, that I've also reccyd for purposes of the risk assessment. Strava is brilliant for that, I do have to somewhat bite my lip, when some cocksocket Stravanker, starts banging on about how "I could easily do that segment quicker, look, see, I used your route, I beat you I did, BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL, I AM A CYCLING GOD, I DO SPORTIVES AND EVERYTHING, I DO" and so on and so forth.
They probably are cocks in Audis as their main pastime...there will always be people who should not have been allowed to leave Play School.
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Ryan_W wrote:Everyone should ride with a power meter......
Seriously though, I do get suspicions of KOMs which have been set without a HRM, cadence sensor.
I've flagged a few KOMs which I've been close too after looking at their stats. I remember one showed the cyclist going from 0-60 and then 0-60kph again in about 5 seconds.
Motor doping. Tut tut.0 -
I did do a funny last month. I was woken up by my alarm in my usual 4:00 am. zombie state, I knew I had to pick up some bits and bobs that required me to drive, so I woke up properly, got my stuff, headed off to work in the car. got to work, realised I had started the Strava on my phone. Just for a laugh, I left the 'ride' on there. Good lord, you'd have thought the Sky had fallen down or something. Although, it did serve to show that one or two of the Stravanauts at the top of the 'leaderboards' on some Strava Segments, were not 'playing fair' I had empty roads, in a car, and I don't exceed speed limits ( anymore ). Some of the people on some segments, were still a few seconds quicker ( and these were sections that were completely uninterrupted by traffic / traffic lights / junctions etc.). I guess some people are either deliberately on the wind up of those who take it all terribly seriously, or they don't think people who actually ride a bike, know the difference. 8). I guess it's a curiosity of the world we live in now, that people concentrate more on stuff like Strava, than actually enjoying riding their bike. 0
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Absolutely not - don't do any of those thingsjoe2008 wrote:Svetty wrote:joe2008 wrote:Yes, Strava can instill narcissistic behaviours in people.
People I have known for over twenty years who ditched the scenic, but hilly, moorland rides they've always done in favour of riding flat A road routes. I can only imagine to post higher average speeds on Strava.
People who switch their Garmin off at the bottom of that last steep hill before home; average speed worries again; likewise people who start their Garmin's at the top of the first climb if their house is in a valley.
People who split rides up into three Garmin uploads: 'Warm up, 'My Willy is Big ride', 'Cool Down'. So as to not tarnish the speed of the MWiB ride.
People who are always 'Ill' or 'Tired' or 'Hungover' or 'on a recovery ride' to explain their lower than expected average speed that day.
Your mind reading skills are most impressive!
Touched a nerve?
But there you go again in ascribing motives to others. Whatever ideas you might have that you automatically know how other people operate are just plain wrong. FFS! Harden up and grow a pair0 -
Hardly, it doesn't take Carl Jung to work out exactly what people are up to in many cases.Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com0
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^ this. POTDfat daddy wrote:I wonder how much IS actually people trying to falsify average times or doing short routes or changing there routes from hilly to flat section all for the ego inflating cause of narcissism
or how much is actually the paranoia of Strava users that have some serious issues in what what other people are doin in there own spare time.
Really .... do you guys spend ages going through other peoples rides and surveying every hill and segment trying to work out if they have somehow broken a "rule" that you came up with ? ... and you think they have issues ?
I did 56mph on todays route ... I didn't really there must have been a GPS loss of signal, but no doubt there is some insecure person now filtering through my entire route claiming I am on a moped and cheating
likewise I missed out most of the climb on the way home the other day after I forgot to hit start on the gps and only remembered 5 miles in
I have auto stop set, not because I am trying to get my average speed up, but I commute through the city and I find it easier to track progress when the computer smoothes out the anywhere between 3-10 minutes of stationary time at lights.
sometimes I feel like crap in the morning and have a lie in .... which makes it impossible to get an hours ride in ....so I think I know Ill go out and put in less distance but with more sprints and yes I challenge myself by seeing if I can get beter times on the segments ...... its not cheating, its not going out with the sole purpose of getting KOMS (of which I have none) .. its just time condensed training ... hell its not even training, its exercise
yet all of the above has some poor sod in tear because I am cheating and a narcissist ....... dudes, really, I am just doing my own thing, its your paranoia that's reading sh1te into thisFFS! Harden up and grow a pair0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:I did do a funny last month. I was woken up by my alarm in my usual 4:00 am. zombie state, I knew I had to pick up some bits and bobs that required me to drive, so I woke up properly, got my stuff, headed off to work in the car. got to work, realised I had started the Strava on my phone. Just for a laugh, I left the 'ride' on there. Good lord, you'd have thought the Sky had fallen down or something. Although, it did serve to show that one or two of the Stravanauts at the top of the 'leaderboards' on some Strava Segments, were not 'playing fair' I had empty roads, in a car, and I don't exceed speed limits ( anymore ). Some of the people on some segments, were still a few seconds quicker ( and these were sections that were completely uninterrupted by traffic / traffic lights / junctions etc.). I guess some people are either deliberately on the wind up of those who take it all terribly seriously, or they don't think people who actually ride a bike, know the difference. 8). I guess it's a curiosity of the world we live in now, that people concentrate more on stuff like Strava, than actually enjoying riding their bike.
ToB and local chaingangs go through my area at speeds faster than most cars to be honest.0 -
benjamess wrote:Milemuncher1 wrote:I did do a funny last month. I was woken up by my alarm in my usual 4:00 am. zombie state, I knew I had to pick up some bits and bobs that required me to drive, so I woke up properly, got my stuff, headed off to work in the car. got to work, realised I had started the Strava on my phone. Just for a laugh, I left the 'ride' on there. Good lord, you'd have thought the Sky had fallen down or something. Although, it did serve to show that one or two of the Stravanauts at the top of the 'leaderboards' on some Strava Segments, were not 'playing fair' I had empty roads, in a car, and I don't exceed speed limits ( anymore ). Some of the people on some segments, were still a few seconds quicker ( and these were sections that were completely uninterrupted by traffic / traffic lights / junctions etc.). I guess some people are either deliberately on the wind up of those who take it all terribly seriously, or they don't think people who actually ride a bike, know the difference. 8). I guess it's a curiosity of the world we live in now, that people concentrate more on stuff like Strava, than actually enjoying riding their bike.
ToB and local chaingangs go through my area at speeds faster than most cars to be honest.
Not on a flat NSL they don't.0 -
Tailwinds, time trial bikes etc etc.
I managed to hit 40mph on the flat to take a KOM the other week with a tailwind.Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com0 -
okgo wrote:Tailwinds, time trial bikes etc etc.
I managed to hit 40mph on the flat to take a KOM the other week with a tailwind.
You'd still be 20 mph shy of the speed required. I know that it is possible to get 60, with a draught from a truck on the flat, but not on a busy road in the middle of the day, with loads of traffic around.0 -
Milemuncher1 wrote:okgo wrote:Tailwinds, time trial bikes etc etc.
I managed to hit 40mph on the flat to take a KOM the other week with a tailwind.
You'd still be 20 mph shy of the speed required. I know that it is possible to get 60, with a draught from a truck on the flat, but not on a busy road in the middle of the day, with loads of traffic around.
Well yeah I agree with you if you're talking those sort of speeds. I thought you meant 30-40mph average which isn't that unlikely. Post up the segments?!0 -
Ive noticed quite a lot recently of 50/100 mile rides being done at quite high average speeds, but when you look it shows for example 'moving time 6 hours' but elapsed time is around 12 hours.
Thats two rides, surely.I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles0 -
Just another 2 KOMs today...0
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SloppySchleckonds wrote:Thats two rides, surely.
Or a garmin user ..... this is one of the many reasons I stopped using garmin, quite often it would merge rides together if I didn't reset it between rides .... so my commute to work became one massive ride
But thinking about it, it probably IS just someone cheating there way through life just to make themselves look better than you .... feel that anger building up, the stress, the bile we all know that Strava doesn't matter and you only use it to track your own workouts ..... oh and scour through everyone elses rides making sure everyone that's quicker must be cheating
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Ryan_W wrote:Just another 2 KOMs today...
you were cheating .. you must be .... I mean I only use strava to track my own progress ..... but whilst looking through all your rides and correlating the data with the weather for that day and the abient traffic and your past performance and noticing that you are quicker than me and that cant be right .. not that I care mind you .. but whilst noticing this I realised that you must be cheating because your life is meaningless :roll:
congrats on the KOMS ..... I went a new way to work today ..... so next week I go the same way to try and beat myself ... and beat anyone just above me on the segments .... oooh, its just like turn based SCR0 -
fat daddy wrote:Ryan_W wrote:Just another 2 KOMs today...
you were cheating .. you must be .... I mean I only use strava to track my own progress ..... but whilst looking through all your rides and correlating the data with the weather for that day and the abient traffic and your past performance and noticing that you are quicker than me and that cant be right .. not that I care mind you .. but whilst noticing this I realised that you must be cheating because your life is meaningless :roll:
congrats on the KOMS ..... I went a new way to work today ..... so next week I go the same way to try and beat myself ... and beat anyone just above me on the segments .... oooh, its just like turn based SCR
Always compete against yourself! One of the segments from today was a very short uphill sprint. My previous PB was 18 seconds and held my in 4th place. Beat it by 2 seconds and got the KOM today, so I'm happy in my progress as well as the KOM 0 -
fat daddy wrote:Or a garmin user ..... this is one of the many reasons I stopped using garmin, quite often it would merge rides together if I didn't reset it between rides .... so my commute to work became one massive ride
Er... that's not the garmin 'merging' the ride, it's you not splitting them by resetting the 'trip'. You can easily split the rides on strava.
The vast majority of 'false' segment times on strava are unintentional and usually one of the following:
1) Forgot to stop strava and got in the car. Most users will know how to crop the ride, but then a lot just use the app and never visit the site, so probably won't know there is an option to 'crop' the ride.
2) Uploaded a GPX of a route. I have a few KOMs on popular sportive routes. It seems like to log the ride people upload the GPX from cycling events UK. The ride always has a constant speed of 24-25 kmh which then takes the KOM on some of the slower segments. Again, it's not a case of people wanting to cheat, just wanting to log a ride they did.
3) GPS drift. This is just part and parcel of strava. It's getting less bad as strava improves it's workings and phone GPS improves, but when strava started, some of the times, especially on off road segments with tree cover were comical.
If you can see something wrong with a ride, just flag it. Its most likely the person won't have realised themselves.
Milemuncher1 seems to think there is some conspiracy of 'stravassholes' who are out to create him. But up thread he admits to creating 'fake' rides himself?0 -
joe2008 wrote:Yes, Strava can instill narcissistic behaviours in people.
People I have known for over twenty years who ditched the scenic, but hilly, moorland rides they've always done in favour of riding flat A road routes. I can only imagine to post higher average speeds on Strava.
People who switch their Garmin off at the bottom of that last steep hill before home; average speed worries again; likewise people who start their Garmin's at the top of the first climb if their house is in a valley.
People who split rides up into three Garmin uploads: 'Warm up, 'My Willy is Big ride', 'Cool Down'. So as to not tarnish the speed of the MWiB ride.
People who are always 'Ill' or 'Tired' or 'Hungover' or 'on a recovery ride' to explain their lower than expected average speed that day.
I actually enjoy the challenge of hills.
Where I live is halfway up a hill. At the end of a ride I always go past my home to crest the hill and back.
My OCD also makes me want to round up distances too. This can snowball when I round up the distance in metric, then think to myself "just another lap around town and I'll round up in imperial"
I do agree with your take on the naming of activities. " Short quick windy social recovery cafe ride with the missus" There' should be no excuses or unworthy bragging."The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
ben@31 wrote:My OCD also makes me want to round up distances too. This can snowball when I round up the distance in metric, then think to myself "just another lap around town and I'll round up in imperial"
ah man ... I really suffer with this .... sometimes it kicks in so badly I have to get the clock AND the distance to line up ... and at the finish point
so I end up doing loops of the roads around my house trying to get the milage to fall on or just above a whole integer, the clock to line up with a 5 minute marker and be finished at the house.
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