Canyon Ultimate - Rim Breaks VS Disc breaks

gnave
gnave Posts: 65
edited January 2017 in Road buying advice
Hay all,

I recently placed an order for an Ultimate CF SLX 9.0 https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/2017/ultimate-cf-slx-9-0.html regarding budget the 4k (GBP) is something I feel comfortable about.
I check Canyon website today, and I see all new range of disk brake models.

Now the question is?, change my order and go for the Ultimate CF SLX 8.0 Disk https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/ultimate-cf-slx-disc-8-0.html
or ULTIMATE CF SL DISC 9.0 AERO https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/ultimate-cf-sl-disc-9-0-aero.html

Is it worth dropping frame version from 9 to 8 (i assume cheaper due to the fact it's an older frame) and have disk breaks?
Or dropping to an SL 9.0 frame to and have those disc breaks?

Should I just be happy with the old proven technology of rim breaks? Consider the carbon wheels braking factor etc.

I know delivery times with canyon can be a nightmare, but as I am doing all my training indoors during the winter months, i am happy to wait.

Thank you.
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Brakes - not breaks.

    The disc v rim argument has been documented loads of times on here - if you scroll down a page or two, you will find plenty of tedious, repetitive and ultimately inconclusive discussion which basically boils down to the phrase 'buy what you want'...
  • gnave
    gnave Posts: 65
    Imposter wrote:
    Brakes - not breaks.

    The disc v rim argument has been documented loads of times on here - if you scroll down a page or two, you will find plenty of tedious, repetitive and ultimately inconclusive discussion which basically boils down to the phrase 'buy what you want'...

    you are right, they are well documented, but it seems a lot of the convo has been taking place early 2014. We are now in 2017 (almost) things are changing :)
  • Eittch
    Eittch Posts: 15
    All other things being equal I would go for the discs but as said that pretty much boils down to personal taste.
    One thing to add: the "8.0" for the disc brake versions does not mean the frame is older, quite to the contrary. Canyon had to re-develop all Ultimate frames for the disc brake versions, so no matter what disc brake version you go for, you would get a brand-new frame. But the components for the "8.0" are somewhat less premium than the 9.0 (so "only" Ultegra etc.). Actually I am a bit surprised by the gap in pricing between the rim and the disc brake versions, the disc frame alone is 500€ above the rim brake version.
  • gnave
    gnave Posts: 65
    I never felt I will gain any benefit from having DURA-ace. Ultigra will probably work as good for my needs. i love the look off the dura ace.

    Having another look now and was thinking ULTIMATE CF SLX DISC 8.0 DI2 https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/ultimate-cf-slx-disc-8-0-di2.html maybe it's worth considering dropping down to ultigra for electronic shifting?
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    gnave wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Brakes - not breaks.

    The disc v rim argument has been documented loads of times on here - if you scroll down a page or two, you will find plenty of tedious, repetitive and ultimately inconclusive discussion which basically boils down to the phrase 'buy what you want'...

    you are right, they are well documented, but it seems a lot of the convo has been taking place early 2014. We are now in 2017 (almost) things are changing :)

    Well you don't seem to have looked very hard - here's one from a couple of weeks ago: viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=13073410

    Either way, I'm not sure what it is you think has changed - discs are still discs and rim brakes are still rim brakes.
  • gnave
    gnave Posts: 65
    Imposter wrote:
    gnave wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Brakes - not breaks.

    The disc v rim argument has been documented loads of times on here - if you scroll down a page or two, you will find plenty of tedious, repetitive and ultimately inconclusive discussion which basically boils down to the phrase 'buy what you want'...

    you are right, they are well documented, but it seems a lot of the convo has been taking place early 2014. We are now in 2017 (almost) things are changing :)

    Well you don't seem to have looked very hard - here's one from a couple of weeks ago: viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=13073410

    Either way, I'm not sure what it is you think has changed - discs are still discs and rim brakes are still rim brakes.


    Look at the post original date :)
  • MrSweary
    MrSweary Posts: 1,699
    I loved my Canyon (old Roadlite AL.7 destroyed in a hit and run earlier this year). Now I have a 4s Disc (685/805 hydraulics) bought for its winter ride credentials. The discs are awesome - so much extra control at the edge of the envelope.

    If I had 4k I'd jump on one of the new disc Canyons - I was drooling over an Endurace CF SLX just this morning. You'll be fine with Ultegra if that's what it takes but I would definitely go with the discs.
    Kinesis Racelite 4s disc
    Kona Paddy Wagon
    Canyon Roadlite Al 7.0 - reborn as single speed!
    Felt Z85 - mangled by taxi.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    gnave wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    gnave wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Brakes - not breaks.

    The disc v rim argument has been documented loads of times on here - if you scroll down a page or two, you will find plenty of tedious, repetitive and ultimately inconclusive discussion which basically boils down to the phrase 'buy what you want'...

    you are right, they are well documented, but it seems a lot of the convo has been taking place early 2014. We are now in 2017 (almost) things are changing :)

    Well you don't seem to have looked very hard - here's one from a couple of weeks ago: viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=13073410

    Either way, I'm not sure what it is you think has changed - discs are still discs and rim brakes are still rim brakes.


    Look at the post original date :)

    Nov 27, 2016 - what about it?
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    Imposter wrote:
    Nov 27, 2016 - what about it?


    what about it ??? :shock:

    dude, that's 3 weeks ago, do you know how much has changed in 3 weeks in the world of brakes ? ....... in 3 weeks, rim brakes haven't changed a bit, they are till old tech, but the developments in disk brakes .. wow ! ..... I can guarantee you any bike the OP buys will have a brand new set of less than 3 week old brakes on it :mrgreen:
  • Eittch
    Eittch Posts: 15
    I would prefer a Ultegra Di2 over the mechanical Dura-Ace. Recently switched to electronic shifting (although Etap) and I think it is great! If you feel comfortable with the price tag of almost 5000 EUR (whatever it is in GBP) I think this is a great bike to get (or add another 100 EUR to get the rim brake Ultimate CF SLX 9.0 SL...)!
  • bmxboy10
    bmxboy10 Posts: 1,958
    Yes change the order
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    Eittch wrote:
    I would prefer a Ultegra Di2 over the mechanical Dura-Ace.

    For gods sake
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    fat daddy wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Nov 27, 2016 - what about it?


    what about it ??? :shock:

    dude, that's 3 weeks ago, do you know how much has changed in 3 weeks in the world of brakes ? ....... in 3 weeks, rim brakes haven't changed a bit, they are till old tech, but the developments in disk brakes .. wow ! ..... I can guarantee you any bike the OP buys will have a brand new set of less than 3 week old brakes on it :mrgreen:

    Yeah, fair point - I forgot that three weeks ago, all disc brake manufacturers ditched hydraulic tech are now moving to electro-magnetic.. ;)
  • w00dster
    w00dster Posts: 880
    If this is your only bike I would go disc.
    I have a good bike with rim brakes that is used from late Spring through to end of Autumn. I've never felt my brakes were not good enough for the conditions.
    I also have a winter bike with hydraulic brakes. They are damn good and confidence inspiring. I ride in all conditions and I only moved to hydraulic discs this year, massive difference in the wet. In the dry, not so much of a difference.

    If this is best bike, I'd go with the better components and the frame colour you like (if it changes) - but if its your only bike then disc for me.
  • gnave
    gnave Posts: 65
    Imposter wrote:
    fat daddy wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    Nov 27, 2016 - what about it?


    what about it ??? :shock:

    dude, that's 3 weeks ago, do you know how much has changed in 3 weeks in the world of brakes ? ....... in 3 weeks, rim brakes haven't changed a bit, they are till old tech, but the developments in disk brakes .. wow ! ..... I can guarantee you any bike the OP buys will have a brand new set of less than 3 week old brakes on it :mrgreen:

    Yeah, fair point - I forgot that three weeks ago, all disc brake manufacturers ditched hydraulic tech are now moving to electro-magnetic.. ;)


    i May have misread the dates on the original post :) sorry?
  • hsiaolc
    hsiaolc Posts: 492
    gnave wrote:
    Hay all,

    I recently placed an order for an Ultimate CF SLX 9.0 https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/2017/ultimate-cf-slx-9-0.html regarding budget the 4k (GBP) is something I feel comfortable about.
    I check Canyon website today, and I see all new range of disk brake models.

    Now the question is?, change my order and go for the Ultimate CF SLX 8.0 Disk https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/ultimate-cf-slx-disc-8-0.html
    or ULTIMATE CF SL DISC 9.0 AERO https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/ultimate-cf-sl-disc-9-0-aero.html

    Is it worth dropping frame version from 9 to 8 (i assume cheaper due to the fact it's an older frame) and have disk breaks?
    Or dropping to an SL 9.0 frame to and have those disc breaks?

    Should I just be happy with the old proven technology of rim breaks? Consider the carbon wheels braking factor etc.

    I know delivery times with canyon can be a nightmare, but as I am doing all my training indoors during the winter months, i am happy to wait.

    Thank you.

    I don't even bother to read your whole post or any one elses post.

    Just get Disc no matter which one you go with. Period.
  • gnave
    gnave Posts: 65
    Done and ordered

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/reviews/ ... f-slx-disc
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    hsiaolc wrote:

    I don't even bother to read your whole post or any one elses post.

    Just get Disc no matter which one you go with. Period.

    Unless he plans on road racing in UCI/NGB events in 2017, obviously.
  • hsiaolc
    hsiaolc Posts: 492
    gnave wrote:
    Done and ordered

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/reviews/ ... f-slx-disc

    Nice. You won't look back.
  • Eittch
    Eittch Posts: 15
    Great Stuff! Let us know how the ride is once you have it!
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Isn't buying a bike about what you want? Me thinks you've always known what you wanted. Those real pretty looking disc brakes you see in pictures. They are "new", so to speak, and you have to have them. Right? This will make people think you know what you're doing. Right? Once you get them you can sit back and tell the rest of us how much better they are. Right?
  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    Looks very nice. The only proper spec quibble I'd have with it (leaving aside TA) is 160mm rear rotors on an out-and-out road bike - especially with hydraulic brakes. I have them on the Jamis gravel/adventure bike and it makes some sense on loose surfaces where you don't want to (can't) put too much braking load through the front - but that's very different on tarmac.
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,473
    Amazing that nobody asked the obviously most important question: "what sort of riding do you intend to do with it?"

    A lot of people these days on road bike forums are predominantly commuters who commute on road bikes. For that purpose, discs are great. For riding in the countryside for training or pleasure, they are just a load of useless weight, complication and cost unless you live somewhere very hilly and often ride in the rain.
  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    neeb wrote:
    For riding in the countryside for training or pleasure, they are just a load of useless weight, complication and cost unless you live somewhere very hilly and often ride in the rain.

    So if you're a fair weather cyclist that avoids hills, rim brakes are fine? Yup, I'd agree with that.
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,473
    meanredspider wrote:
    neeb wrote:
    For riding in the countryside for training or pleasure, they are just a load of useless weight, complication and cost unless you live somewhere very hilly and often ride in the rain.

    So if you're a fair weather cyclist that avoids hills, rim brakes are fine? Yup, I'd agree with that.
    No - it's only if you are riding long, technical hills AND it's raining that discs have a significant advantage. Although of course the heavier you are the sooner the advantage kicks in.
  • gnave
    gnave Posts: 65
    neeb wrote:
    meanredspider wrote:
    neeb wrote:
    For riding in the countryside for training or pleasure, they are just a load of useless weight, complication and cost unless you live somewhere very hilly and often ride in the rain.

    So if you're a fair weather cyclist that avoids hills, rim brakes are fine? Yup, I'd agree with that.
    No - it's only if you are riding long, technical hills AND it's raining that discs have a significant advantage. Although of course the heavier you are the sooner the advantage kicks in.


    TBH, My thought process was more like. carbon rims + caliper breaks + British weather = New rims every 18 months.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    gnave wrote:
    neeb wrote:
    meanredspider wrote:
    neeb wrote:
    For riding in the countryside for training or pleasure, they are just a load of useless weight, complication and cost unless you live somewhere very hilly and often ride in the rain.

    So if you're a fair weather cyclist that avoids hills, rim brakes are fine? Yup, I'd agree with that.
    No - it's only if you are riding long, technical hills AND it's raining that discs have a significant advantage. Although of course the heavier you are the sooner the advantage kicks in.


    TBH, My thought process was more like. carbon rims + caliper breaks + British weather = New rims every 18 months.

    You need to brake less in that case.
    _
  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    neeb wrote:
    meanredspider wrote:
    neeb wrote:
    For riding in the countryside for training or pleasure, they are just a load of useless weight, complication and cost unless you live somewhere very hilly and often ride in the rain.

    So if you're a fair weather cyclist that avoids hills, rim brakes are fine? Yup, I'd agree with that.
    No - it's only if you are riding long, technical hills AND it's raining that discs have a significant advantage. Although of course the heavier you are the sooner the advantage kicks in.

    Well, of course, if you're the weight of an anorexic schoolgirl, you're not really going to be worried about what brakes you have. But my response remains the same - if you actually need good brakes, discs are the ones to have. The exception, of course, is if you're mechanically incompetent and don't have a decent LBS to do all of your bike servicing.
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    meanredspider wrote:

    Well, of course, if you're the weight of an anorexic schoolgirl,

    Yup. That's me
    The exception, of course, is if you're mechanically incompetent and don't have a decent LBS to do all of your bike servicing.

    Also me.
    _
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    gnave wrote:
    TBH, My thought process was more like. carbon rims + caliper breaks + British weather = New rims every 18 months.

    B-R-A-K-E-S, ffs...

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