Leg extensions for lactic acid tolerance on quads?

sloppyschleckonds

Smudgerii wrote:

I will state again.... The OP will benefit from varyng types of tolerance training,

Either substantiate that or retract it.

okgo

NapoleonD wrote:

This cr4p is why I don't often post on here any more.

Every day, when I need my fix, I come on here, knowing there will be a new leg strength post. Its only a matter of time before they're then put right by Alex/Ric, and then spend the rest of the thread arguing their case for something totally unrelated to cycling. It's brilliant.

bobmcstuff

okgo wrote:

NapoleonD wrote:

This cr4p is why I don't often post on here any more.

Every day, when I need my fix, I come on here, knowing there will be a new leg strength post. Its only a matter of time before they're then put right by Alex/Ric, and then spend the rest of the thread arguing their case for something totally unrelated to cycling. It's brilliant.

Smudgerii's point isn't unreasonable, there's no reason you can't train those muscles or systems or whatever by doing something other than cycling. Although of course it does beg the question of why you would bother when bikes are perfectly good for training those muscles already.

okgo

Yes, it does beg that question, doesn't it.

Alex_Simmons/RST

Smudgerii wrote:

Can you first explain which muscles are exclusively used in cycling? And how lactic acid tolerance training is targeted at these specific muscles

There is no need to since the act of cycling will use all the muscles required for cycling and it will use them in a manner specific to cycling. To argue otherwise would be nonsensical. No other exercise, no matter how much you wish to go on about it, can to do that.

Or let's put it another way. Find me an exercise which does not involve cycling that has been demonstrated to provide a greater positive impact to cycling performance than performing specific efforts on a bike will.

Almost no off-bike training intervention studies (usually found in low grade strength and conditioning journals) make relevant comparisons to performance improvement attained through performing relevant specific on bike training. The effect size of such non-bike interventions are usually pretty small (if they exist at all, and they sure don't tend to publish the negative results), while on-bike training interventions typically have far greater effect sizes and are well established and replicated.

It's just one example of a basic and very well established exercise physiology principle of specificity.

Alex_Simmons/RST

Smudgerii wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Smudgerii wrote:

Any lactic acid tolerance training will benefit the OP.

I think Alex has just explained to you why this is not correct.

Smudgerii wrote:

So many times on here people make out that specific/limited individual muscles are responsible for all your cycling needs, yet I never seen anyone provide proof of it.

Not quite sure what you are saying here, but feel free to provide evidence to substantiate it.

He answered when? Quote it.

Read the forum it's littered with these claims

What claims?
That the best exercise for improving cycling performance is specific relevant cycling training?

Seems an entirely reasonable claim to me, since there sure has been no body of evidence to suggest otherwise.

reacher

Blimey, as much as I like doing other types of training I'm not sure any serious athlete would say you can train something better doing something other than that what your actually doing as a sport

bobmcstuff

okgo wrote:

Yes, it does beg that question, doesn't it.

Variety, access to a bike, time constraints/convenience. Just a few suggestions.

Normally when I'm away for work and there's no bike in the gym/no gym/the gym's crap I just go for a run, though. Often hotel gyms are horrible and not conducive to doing actual training (eg too hot, no airflow) and running gives you a chance to actually see the place you're in.

bobmcstuff

reacher wrote:

Blimey, as much as I like doing other types of training I'm not sure any serious athlete would say you can train something better doing something other than that what your actually doing as a sport

I'm not sure that's exactly what he's saying, although I'll leave it to him to confirm. I thought he was just suggesting it's possible to do exercises beneficial to cycling off the bike, which doesn't seem that controversial in itself.

Alex_Simmons/RST

bobmcstuff wrote:

okgo wrote:

Yes, it does beg that question, doesn't it.

Variety, access to a bike, time constraints/convenience. Just a few suggestions.

Normally when I'm away for work and there's no bike in the gym/no gym/the gym's crap I just go for a run, though. Often hotel gyms are horrible and not conducive to doing actual training (eg too hot, no airflow) and running gives you a chance to actually see the place you're in.

At times my clients are in the situation where they won't be able to ride for a while, so we assess what forms of exercise they can do as an alternative. What I suggest varies depending on the specific individual circumstances and what options they will have available where they are. Being active regularly is better than doing nothing (provided you don't attempt to do too much too quickly of something you're not ready for and risk injury) but in general any extended time off the bike will cost some fitness.

In gyms there are often elliptical machines, stationary bikes, rowing machines which enable reasonably decent solid aerobic efforts that engage large muscle mass involving the legs with concentric muscle contractions. Where that's not feasible, then brisk walking or jogging if you are already a runner/jogger, but must take a lot of care if not, just do a little and mostly brisk walking.

EBEB

To go back to the original post:

Is it very much the front of the thighs that has the burn? This might tell you that you are putting an unequal amount of strain on one particular muscle group.

You might be able to even things up by concentrating on a smoother pedal stroke or improving your bike fit.

I suggest that as an easily collectable potential factor. Probably it is something else, but this is easy to remedy.

dennisn

Imposter wrote:

80RPM wrote:

I want a gym workout to solve this "quad burn" problem.

People with more knowledge of the topic than you are telling you that there isn't one.

Well, I suppose that doing intervals on a stationary bike would be of some use and might even qualify as "gym" work.