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no.surrey_commuter said:
You are disagreeing with me whilst reiterating my pointMattFalle said:
No.surrey_commuter said:
In all honesty I think you are a bit of a nutter or have comprehension difficulties so will leave you to have your feuds with other peopleimposter2.0 said:
What do you mean "now it turns out" - where have you been for the last 8 years since Russia annexed Crimea?surrey_commuter said:
a month ago it was widely assumed that the Russian army would roll over Ukraine in days and would be on the border of moldova and Poland. All of the other countries bordering Russia would be in more peril.
Now it turns out that the US have been arming and training Ukraine for the past 8 years. You think they did that for the love of Ukraine or doing what they think is right? or do you think they are sending a message to Russia and the rest of the world (ie China) not to do things that they don't like.
From a US point of view this will rank alongside Midway as one of their greatest ever strategic victories - I am of course exaggerating for effect
Imposter is 100% correct.
what do you think Trump's first impeachmens all about?
Of course the Americans have been funding, training etc. We have as well. OP CABRIT isn't just pissingabout in Estonia. Spec Inf have been pissingabout there for years. SRR, Hereford, 6, its a big playground.
Why do you think we spent all those times pissingabout in the rest of Eastern Europe?
we weren't there for the bortsch and cheap beer.
you expressed surprise that you have just found out that the Americans have been supplying arms and training there.
i corrected you.
the rest of your bickering and pedantry i care not a fig about..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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very true, very true.ddraver said:
Not a bad coincidence though...MattFalle said:
we weren't there for the bortsch and cheap beer.
beer was very cheap. like stupid cheap.
tbh, some of the best working times I've had and may the joy continue..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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You've probably noticed I try and post the more positive aspects of the doomscrolling but this is something else...
Basically a Nuremburg Rally...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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There's been 400 posts since I last looked at the thread and cba going back even one page to check if it's been posted already. Sorry
In a sentence I never thought I'd write, that Arnold Schwarzenegger video was a superb piece of communication
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this schiz happens all the time, everywhere.ddraver said:You've probably noticed I try and post the more positive aspects of the doomscrolling but this is something else...
Basically a Nuremburg Rally...
in fact, a big one coming up over here this summer i believe.
people will be dusting off their bunting, news stories being typed......
#itain'tjustthemyouknow.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It was fantastic.tailwindhome said:There's been 400 posts since I last looked at the thread and cba going back even one page to check if it's been posted already. Sorry
In a sentence I never thought I'd write, that Arnold Schwarzenegger video was a superb piece of communication
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ok - let's call it a 'special operation' then - agreed..?rjsterry said:
Seriously.imposter2.0 said:
Congrats on re-defining 'proxy war' to suit your own narrative. Imagine being daft enough to think that a proxy war needs actual proxies...surrey_commuter said:
in case you are being serious then Ukraine is a proxy for the West's willingness to oppose Russian expansionism.rick_chasey said:If it is a proxy war surely you need to define what each side is a proxy for?
You and the other chap are the only people in the world who think that a proxy war needs to be fought between two proxy's
Let. It. Go.
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must admit that does sound like code for "surreptitious fingerbum" tbh....imposter2.0 said:
ok - let's call it a 'special operation' then - agreed..?rjsterry said:
Seriously.imposter2.0 said:
Congrats on re-defining 'proxy war' to suit your own narrative. Imagine being daft enough to think that a proxy war needs actual proxies...surrey_commuter said:
in case you are being serious then Ukraine is a proxy for the West's willingness to oppose Russian expansionism.rick_chasey said:If it is a proxy war surely you need to define what each side is a proxy for?
You and the other chap are the only people in the world who think that a proxy war needs to be fought between two proxy's
Let. It. Go.
It doesn't matter what you call it..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It's definitely a war between two neighbouring countries. Other countries and groups of countries that have an interest in what goes on in the world have picked a side to support. Splitting hairs about the nomenclature isn't furthering anyone's understanding.imposter2.0 said:
ok - let's call it a 'special operation' then - agreed..?rjsterry said:
Seriously.imposter2.0 said:
Congrats on re-defining 'proxy war' to suit your own narrative. Imagine being daft enough to think that a proxy war needs actual proxies...surrey_commuter said:
in case you are being serious then Ukraine is a proxy for the West's willingness to oppose Russian expansionism.rick_chasey said:If it is a proxy war surely you need to define what each side is a proxy for?
You and the other chap are the only people in the world who think that a proxy war needs to be fought between two proxy's
Let. It. Go.
It doesn't matter what you call it.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I could take issue with that last sentence, but I won't. All I will say is that reading every post is not mandatory.rjsterry said:
It's definitely a war between two neighbouring countries. Other countries and groups of countries that have an interest in what goes on in the world have picked a side to support. Splitting hairs about the nomenclature isn't furthering anyone's understanding.
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Yes, agreed, and it has gone viral in Russia too.tailwindhome said:There's been 400 posts since I last looked at the thread and cba going back even one page to check if it's been posted already. Sorry
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what - this thread has?kingstonian said:
Yes, agreed, and it has gone viral in Russia too.tailwindhome said:There's been 400 posts since I last looked at the thread and cba going back even one page to check if it's been posted already. Sorry
In a sentence I never thought I'd write, that Arnold Schwarzenegger video was a superb piece of communication
mega.
boes BR have no limits?
#putinisadickhead.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Just watched the Russian anniversary "celebrations" for the Crimean annexation. Quite surreal to watch, given what we are seeing in Ukraine and what many Russians obviously aren't. Putin took to the stage in a sea of red, white and blue flags. I thought he was going to fight Apollo Creed at one point. Bizarre.Bianchi ImpulsoBMC Teammachine SLR02 01Trek Domane AL3“When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. “ ~H.G. Wells Edit - "Unless it's a BMX"0
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Lachlan Morton doing a fund raising 1k km ride. Donated.
https://www.efprocycling.com/culture/Lachlan-s-ride-for-ukraine/
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"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"crescent said:Just watched the Russian anniversary "celebrations" for the Crimean annexation. Quite surreal to watch, given what we are seeing in Ukraine and what many Russians obviously aren't. Putin took to the stage in a sea of red, white and blue flags. I thought he was going to fight Apollo Creed at one point. Bizarre.
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who can name any other event where people bedeck themselves in red, white and blue flags and go on about their country's history and how great they are and how patriotic they they are?imposter2.0 said:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"crescent said:Just watched the Russian anniversary "celebrations" for the Crimean annexation. Quite surreal to watch, given what we are seeing in Ukraine and what many Russians obviously aren't. Putin took to the stage in a sea of red, white and blue flags. I thought he was going to fight Apollo Creed at one point. Bizarre.
Go on, have a think about it.
Yes Sir, you in the corner!
#starterforten.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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USA USA USA etcMattFalle said:0 -
yup. i'll give you that.First.Aspect said:
USA USA USA etcMattFalle said:
but I'm thinking closer.......The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Surprised you didn't know that both the Welsh and Italian flags have green instead of blue.0
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So this is exactly the kind of analysis that I'm saying ignores the local context.
I don't think it ignores the local context, rather it defines it as part of a much bigger global game Putin has being playing for nearly two decades.
I agree Russia is not a superpower and Putin's interest is largely in Russia 'recapturing' this mythical 'one Russia' which he feels previous Russian leaders have given away with the loss of countries like Ukraine to their own independence. However, Putin has spent years trying to de-stabilise the West and the US in particular. His meddling, largely through cyber warfare, in democratic institutions, elections and so on, has been designed to sow confusion and make the West scared to mess with him. In other instances he buys people off and compromises them so they can't be a threat (which has clearly been the approach in the UK).
I would argue the whole point of this has been to weaken the West to the point he felt they were no longer able to stand up to him on his own turf, or didn't have the will at the very least. In that, I would agree his end game was a regional interest but he needed to outmanouevre his global opposition to force his plan through longer term. This has obviously proved to be a massive miscalculation, the Ukrainians have galvanized as a nation and in turn they have brought the West along with them. This may be a 'local' conflict but it has to be viewed in a global context, as Putin has set it up to be such with his years of messing with the big powers. He has overplayed his hand, and dragged the big global powers into his own conflict. I suspect he was always trying to avoid this and convinced himself it would not be an issue.
Which ever way you look at it, the simple fact is that a non NATO, non EU country in Ukraine, is now being given huge economic and military support by the West. Regardless of Putin's interest or thinking, this is going to be played out beyond geographical boundaries, and the outcome is now unlikely to be decided by him.0 -
Was reading the opposite analysis re China, yesterday. The Atlantic, I think.
Essentially the thesis was that Xi can't domestically be seen to be bullied by the US, so Biden's gambit to pressure them publicly will have the opposite effect
Interesting, have you got a link?
Saw that Xi and Biden had a call today. The official line from the Chinese delegation was very much opposed to the invasion. Does seem at the moment that they are not going to side with Russia.0 -
can someone break this down into 5 bite size points please?MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:So this is exactly the kind of analysis that I'm saying ignores the local context.
I don't think it ignores the local context, rather it defines it as part of a much bigger global game Putin has being playing for nearly two decades.
I agree Russia is not a superpower and Putin's interest is largely in Russia 'recapturing' this mythical 'one Russia' which he feels previous Russian leaders have given away with the loss of countries like Ukraine to their own independence. However, Putin has spent years trying to de-stabilise the West and the US in particular. His meddling, largely through cyber warfare, in democratic institutions, elections and so on, has been designed to sow confusion and make the West scared to mess with him. In other instances he buys people off and compromises them so they can't be a threat (which has clearly been the approach in the UK).
I would argue the whole point of this has been to weaken the West to the point he felt they were no longer able to stand up to him on his own turf, or didn't have the will at the very least. In that, I would agree his end game was a regional interest but he needed to outmanouevre his global opposition to force his plan through longer term. This has obviously proved to be a massive miscalculation, the Ukrainians have galvanized as a nation and in turn they have brought the West along with them. This may be a 'local' conflict but it has to be viewed in a global context, as Putin has set it up to be such with his years of messing with the big powers. He has overplayed his hand, and dragged the big global powers into his own conflict. I suspect he was always trying to avoid this and convinced himself it would not be an issue.
Which ever way you look at it, the simple fact is that a non NATO, non EU country in Ukraine, is now being given huge economic and military support by the West. Regardless of Putin's interest or thinking, this is going to be played out beyond geographical boundaries, and the outcome is now unlikely to be decided by him..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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"Putin has fekd it up"MattFalle said:
can someone break this down into 5 bite size points please?MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:So this is exactly the kind of analysis that I'm saying ignores the local context.
I don't think it ignores the local context, rather it defines it as part of a much bigger global game Putin has being playing for nearly two decades.
I agree Russia is not a superpower and Putin's interest is largely in Russia 'recapturing' this mythical 'one Russia' which he feels previous Russian leaders have given away with the loss of countries like Ukraine to their own independence. However, Putin has spent years trying to de-stabilise the West and the US in particular. His meddling, largely through cyber warfare, in democratic institutions, elections and so on, has been designed to sow confusion and make the West scared to mess with him. In other instances he buys people off and compromises them so they can't be a threat (which has clearly been the approach in the UK).
I would argue the whole point of this has been to weaken the West to the point he felt they were no longer able to stand up to him on his own turf, or didn't have the will at the very least. In that, I would agree his end game was a regional interest but he needed to outmanouevre his global opposition to force his plan through longer term. This has obviously proved to be a massive miscalculation, the Ukrainians have galvanized as a nation and in turn they have brought the West along with them. This may be a 'local' conflict but it has to be viewed in a global context, as Putin has set it up to be such with his years of messing with the big powers. He has overplayed his hand, and dragged the big global powers into his own conflict. I suspect he was always trying to avoid this and convinced himself it would not be an issue.
Which ever way you look at it, the simple fact is that a non NATO, non EU country in Ukraine, is now being given huge economic and military support by the West. Regardless of Putin's interest or thinking, this is going to be played out beyond geographical boundaries, and the outcome is now unlikely to be decided by him.0 -
mega - grazie. thats me sorted.imposter2.0 said:
"Putin has fekd it up"MattFalle said:
can someone break this down into 5 bite size points please?MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:So this is exactly the kind of analysis that I'm saying ignores the local context.
I don't think it ignores the local context, rather it defines it as part of a much bigger global game Putin has being playing for nearly two decades.
I agree Russia is not a superpower and Putin's interest is largely in Russia 'recapturing' this mythical 'one Russia' which he feels previous Russian leaders have given away with the loss of countries like Ukraine to their own independence. However, Putin has spent years trying to de-stabilise the West and the US in particular. His meddling, largely through cyber warfare, in democratic institutions, elections and so on, has been designed to sow confusion and make the West scared to mess with him. In other instances he buys people off and compromises them so they can't be a threat (which has clearly been the approach in the UK).
I would argue the whole point of this has been to weaken the West to the point he felt they were no longer able to stand up to him on his own turf, or didn't have the will at the very least. In that, I would agree his end game was a regional interest but he needed to outmanouevre his global opposition to force his plan through longer term. This has obviously proved to be a massive miscalculation, the Ukrainians have galvanized as a nation and in turn they have brought the West along with them. This may be a 'local' conflict but it has to be viewed in a global context, as Putin has set it up to be such with his years of messing with the big powers. He has overplayed his hand, and dragged the big global powers into his own conflict. I suspect he was always trying to avoid this and convinced himself it would not be an issue.
Which ever way you look at it, the simple fact is that a non NATO, non EU country in Ukraine, is now being given huge economic and military support by the West. Regardless of Putin's interest or thinking, this is going to be played out beyond geographical boundaries, and the outcome is now unlikely to be decided by him.
can i go back to shooting stuff now?
#there?again?butitscold.sendColin.Helikesthatshit.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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can someone break this down into 5 bite size points please?
What Imposter said
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Macron?MattFalle said:.
who can name any other event where people bedeck themselves in red, white and blue flags and go on about their country's history and how great they are and how patriotic they they are?imposter2.0 said:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"crescent said:Just watched the Russian anniversary "celebrations" for the Crimean annexation. Quite surreal to watch, given what we are seeing in Ukraine and what many Russians obviously aren't. Putin took to the stage in a sea of red, white and blue flags. I thought he was going to fight Apollo Creed at one point. Bizarre.
Go on, have a think about it.
Yes Sir, you in the corner!
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